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Fatoy

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Mu daughter's school has just communicated to all parents that they should stay away from Chinatowns in major cities (i.e. Manchester, which is our closest and biggest) or, if we choose to ignore the advice, we should "self-isolate for 14 days".

That feels like a major overreaction, but I suppose you can't be too careful. Her school is attached to a boarding school that has a fair number of full-time and visiting Chinese students, so they're having to take some extreme precautions, I guess.
 

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I am traveling to Thailand in April, with a stop in Shanghai. I am really worried that I need to cancel the trip because planes going from China to Thailand will be grounded.
 

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Mu daughter's school has just communicated to all parents that they should stay away from Chinatowns in major cities (i.e. Manchester, which is our closest and biggest) or, if we choose to ignore the advice, we should "self-isolate for 14 days".

That feels like a major overreaction, but I suppose you can't be too careful. Her school is attached to a boarding school that has a fair number of full-time and visiting Chinese students, so they're having to take some extreme precautions, I guess.

How that make sense?

If their reason is to not expose yourself to possibile carrier then they should not got to school.

As if more likely to meet someone that have been recently in China there.

Plus do you have to self quarantine each time you go to Chinatown?

Look more like a stupid reaction then a overreaction.
 

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So here's an observation I've made regarding the confirmed cases and the death toll.
So of course the majority of confirmed cases and deaths is within Wuhan and Hubei province. Makes sense, its the supposed epicenter and the quarantined zone.

But looking at the second highest province Zhejiang, we have a whopping 829 cases, yet no deaths so far. Same with Guangdong at 725, and only 2 deaths out of Henan's 675 cases. In perspective, When Wuhan was reporting 800 plus cases, they had around 30 plus deaths. if you were to combine the number of the Guangdong, Zhejiang, and Henan, you have 2229 infected people with 2 deaths. At that number Wuhan already had around 80 deaths and was quarantined shortly after.

If you look at every province outside Hubei, you can find cities and provinces with hundreds of reported cases, but at most 2 deaths per area. Hainen is the only area with less than 100 cases that has a death so far. (Unless we count Hong Kong and it's recent death)

Now there are many reasons why Hubei is experiencing higher numbers and deaths compared to other provinces.The region may have been the epicenter, The case was suppressed in it's early stages, hospitals became overwhelmed after things got bad, the goverment response was slow and poor, and the entire province was eventually cut off from the rest of the world.

But what I'm wondering is how many of the fatalities are being caused by the actual virus taking it's toll on the patients, versus how much are the logistical issues within Hubei playing into the deaths of these victims. How many patients are being taken care of, versus how many are being confirmed yet untreated? You are more likely to bounce back from an illness if you're well nourished, and in a warm sanitary environment as well.

If we removed Hubei and Wuhan from the statistics, that leaves 7104 cases worldwide with only 12 deaths. Far less serious sounding than when you include the numbers from Hubei. I wish there was more information on the 632 recoveries in China, it would be interesting to know how many of those account for Wubei vs. regions outside the quarantine zone.

So my point is how much do the fatalities have to do with the virus itself vs. the circumstances of the patients within the effected areas? Because so far it seems the most likely indicator of you dying of New Corona virus is whether or not you live and are being treated in Hubei.

Forgive me if any of my numbers are outdated or off, or if my research is faulty.

It makes sense that the fatalities shoot up when the cases increase. In the US a 35 year old man got pneumonia from it and recovered in intensive care. Imagine for a moment that you fall ill, get pneumonia, but the hospital is full. Suddenly your prognosis goes from an uncomfortable yet safe recovery to oh shit I might die.
 
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Li Zhendong was the first patient diagnosed with #coronavirus in Jingzhou City, Hubei Province. After 16 days of fight against the disease, he recovered and was discharged from the hospital. Li shared his experience online:

 

Garchia3.0

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Wow man...

Mu daughter's school has just communicated to all parents that they should stay away from Chinatowns in major cities (i.e. Manchester, which is our closest and biggest) or, if we choose to ignore the advice, we should "self-isolate for 14 days".

That feels like a major overreaction, but I suppose you can't be too careful. Her school is attached to a boarding school that has a fair number of full-time and visiting Chinese students, so they're having to take some extreme precautions, I guess.

I don't think that's overreacting when you have the former director of the CDC and the director of Johns Hopkins SPH Center for Health Security warning the country about an imminent pandemic. Better safe than sorry I guess.

As for the news:

 
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My parents are currently in NZ, and traveling back home via HK in about 2 weeks.
They have a layover there and are quite concerned.
They asked me to check if I can purchase masks for them (I'm in London) and ship them over.

I did some reading in the thread, and apparently the N95 masks are the most recommended?
If so, can anyone link me to one? I looked on Amazon and saw many different kinds.

Generally, I told them the most important thing is to have proper hygiene - i.e. washing hands.

Thanks :)
They've already mostly sold out on Amazon UK or are very inflated in price now. Checking surgical mask listings shows that most of them were put up on Jan 23rd so whether they will actually end up shipping or not is to be seen.
 

Garchia3.0

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I mean you have a Lancet study estimating ~75,000 cases over a week ago (January 25 in Wuhan alone), there are plenty of articles about testing kit shortages, people being turned away at hospitals and we already have this becoming such a big deal in the first place because the Chinese government was trying to cover it up.

Then you have the government's response, are they really going to shut down Macau's casino's if the numbers were accurate? Not to mention the shutdown of several more cities.

Plus you can go online and look for all those new videos showing vans being loaded with dead bodies in several hospitals in Wuhan. Things are still out of control in China, unfortunately.

 

NeonCarbon

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It makes sense that the fatalities shoot up when the cases increase. In the US a 35 year old man got pneumonia from it and recovered in intensive care. Imagine for a moment that you fall ill, get pneumonia, but the hospital is full. Suddenly your prognosis goes from an uncomfortable yet safe recovery to oh shit I might die.
Yeah that's my concern too, some people seem to be getting worse with pneumonia after a couple days of the illness while looking as if they are improving.
If hospitals become filled with these we are screwed, which is why the "severe" and "critical" condition numbers coming out of China are v.interesting, and maybe more concerning than the mortality rate.
 

Cyanity

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Mu daughter's school has just communicated to all parents that they should stay away from Chinatowns in major cities (i.e. Manchester, which is our closest and biggest) or, if we choose to ignore the advice, we should "self-isolate for 14 days".

That feels like a major overreaction, but I suppose you can't be too careful. Her school is attached to a boarding school that has a fair number of full-time and visiting Chinese students, so they're having to take some extreme precautions, I guess.
If your daughter's school is in the US, then it is extremely irresponsible for the administration to be fueling xenophobic garbage like "don't go to chinatown!!!!" when we only have a small handful of cases around the country right now.
 

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Japan airlines suspends flights to Beijing and Shanghai from February 17 and reduce the flights of other routes.
ANA suspends all flights to Beijing from February 10 and the suspension of Wuhan flights will continue until March 28.
 

Fatoy

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If your daughter's school is in the US, then it is extremely irresponsible for the administration to be fueling xenophobic garbage like "don't go to chinatown!!!!" when we only have a small handful of cases around the country right now.
It's in England - not that that really makes a major difference, given we only have two confirmed cases here.

Like I said, though, given her school is attached to a boarding school that's home to a decent contingent of Chinese nationals and visiting students, I think they're going scorched-earth rather than running the risk of being known as "that school with the coronavirus". Irrational? Yes. But as a private school, that reputation would probably put them out of business.
 

maabus1999

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good news, potentially:


Note that it doesn't say that the opposite of the study is true. Just that it was unfounded. So it could be either way, but the worst case isn't guaranteed.

While it was flawed, the way this infection has spread leads to something with this virus makes it extremely contagious, be it asymptomatic transmission, amount of exposure to be infected, etc...

Since this is out of China into very populated third world populations, all it will do is spread and mutate for the coming months. We've also yet to see if the first world can contain it after a positive case yet due to the long incubation period, but hopefully it can be.
 

CelestialAtom

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good news, potentially:


Note that it doesn't say that the opposite of the study is true. Just that it was unfounded. So it could be either way, but the worst case isn't guaranteed.

This is incredible news. The more evidence that shows the virus isn't able to be passed after, the better.

Japan airlines suspends flights to Beijing and Shanghai from February 17 and reduce the flights of other routes.
ANA suspends all flights to Beijing from February 10 and the suspension of Wuhan flights will continue until March 28.


I was wondering why ANA emailed me last night claiming that my Operator of Service or Plane have been changed for my flight from Chicago to Tokyo and back in early April. It may not be directly related, but I don't know.
 

maabus1999

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This is incredible news. The more evidence that shows the virus isn't able to be passed after, the better.
If you read the report it doesn't say that. It just says the Chinese data was flawed, BUT they still believe it may be true.

What was most concerning is the last paragraph which paraphrased said the cases in Germany, four had the virus with no more symptoms then the common cold, which means they would never go to the hospital while the whole time shedding the virus.
 

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I would take refund and pay the difference with more expensive flight. I m pretty sure you ll have trouble getting in japan if situation does not improve. Connection is like a regular flight from china to japan .
isn't Japan banning flights from China?
Good points in case of further escalation. I just got confirmation that I'm eligible for a full refund and will pay the difference for another flight to get into Japan without landing in China.
 

CelestialAtom

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If you read the report it doesn't say that. It just says the Chinese data was flawed, BUT they still believe it may be true.

What was most concerning is the last paragraph which paraphrased said the cases in Germany, four had the virus with no more symptoms then the common cold, which means they would never go to the hospital while the whole time shedding the virus.

That was my bad, as I'm at work and didn't read it all the way through. Thanks for the clarification.
 
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We will take a plane to England in the morning and then to Toronto.

Assuming the plane can go to England. I really have no idea as we are a bit saddened at this abrupt change of life and we have did so much to try and make our life easier here in the last 6 months. Including my wife's job and things we have put in our apartment. I know she feels bad and she doesn't really want to leave.


I'm also not sure what we will do in Canada for two weeks or where we may stay.

Really just feel I want the next few days to be over and getting my mind back to doing everyday things again. Just a little tired of staying inside to wait and see what happens.

I still feel things should come out ok at least.
 

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All of my WeChat expat groups are now having all of their individual Chinese airline's flights cancelled for anything after February 8 - both domestic and international flights. Like a mass cancellation just happened in the last 12 hours.

We are all digging in for the long haul now. I think the main worry now isn't actually our health, but just the boredom of being stuck inside all day for months.
 

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We will take a plane to England in the morning and then to Toronto.

Assuming the plane can go to England. I really have no idea as we are a bit saddened at this abrupt change of life and we have did so much to try and make our life easier here in the last 6 months. Including my wife's job and things we have put in our apartment. I know she feels bad and she doesn't really want to leave.


I'm also not sure what we will do in Canada for two weeks or where we may stay.

Really just feel I want the next few days to be over and getting my mind back to doing everyday things again. Just a little tired of staying inside to wait and see what happens.

I still feel things should come out ok at least.

Afaik the uk hasn't banned travel from china yet. I can't really imagine they will either seeing as the government are hoping for China to be their next lifeline in brexit.
 
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All of my WeChat expat groups are now having all of their individual Chinese airline's flights cancelled for anything after February 8 - both domestic and international flights. Like a mass cancellation just happened in the last 12 hours.

We are all digging in for the long haul now. I think the main worry now isn't actually our health, but just the boredom of being stuck inside all day for months.
That's unhealthy as well though. My feet are starting to randomly hurt
 
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Afaik the uk hasn't banned travel from china yet. I can't really imagine they will either seeing as the government are hoping for China to be their next lifeline in brexit.
China is taking a huge and I can only imagine how huge of an economical hit with this. I can't imagine a country has ever taking a hit like this so suddenly.

Just thinking of a few besides airlines, shops and manufacturing which are all obvious.

The mass of jobs lost on the foreign market is one as well. It's already tough for schools to hire foreign English teachers in normal conditions. The change is big even when the virus is under control.

Not to mention businesses being closed and jobs. This situation will cripple people's savings too.

Luckily many Chinese actually save pretty well
 

maabus1999

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China is taking a huge and I can only imagine how huge of an economical hit with this. I can't imagine a country has ever taking a hit like this so suddenly.

Just thinking of a few besides airlines, shops and manufacturing which are all obvious.

The mass of jobs lost on the foreign market is one as well. It's already tough for schools to hire foreign English teachers in normal conditions. The change is big even when the virus is under control.

Not to mention businesses being closed and jobs. This situation will cripple people's savings too.

Luckily many Chinese actually save pretty well
If this goes on for weeks, it won't be the savings I would worry about but critical supplies such as food since commerce is so greatly restricted. Government is going to be taxed if this keeps spreading with more than just containment.
 

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Do you think antiseptic spraying will work?


She says she saw the man taking a selfie and telling passengers around him that he had the coronavirus.
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All of my WeChat expat groups are now having all of their individual Chinese airline's flights cancelled for anything after February 8 - both domestic and international flights. Like a mass cancellation just happened in the last 12 hours.

We are all digging in for the long haul now. I think the main worry now isn't actually our health, but just the boredom of being stuck inside all day for months.
Any other options? Ferry? Train?
 

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Just a caution for those hoping for a miracle drug - anti viral drug only inhibit the virus. It takes a few weeks for them to work since your immune system still need to battle it out. Discovering a working treatment is useful for those who is vulnerable, but probably not that useful for the majority of cases that does not require intensive treatment and can recover on your own. Not sure if it can lower transmission rate though.

I guess another potential treatment would be drug that boost the immune system. Not sure if anyone tried to use interferon yet?
 
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They've already mostly sold out on Amazon UK or are very inflated in price now. Checking surgical mask listings shows that most of them were put up on Jan 23rd so whether they will actually end up shipping or not is to be seen.

I appreciate your answer.
So if I were to keep an eye out, should I just search for surgical masks?
Not N95 or something like that?
 

elty

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I appreciate your answer.
So if I were to keep an eye out, should I just search for surgical masks?
Not N95 or something like that?

N95 offers better protection, but it requires fitting, is more expensive and make breathing harder. If you only need it for a short period of time then just buy whatever available.
 

elty

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The Chinese Embassy in Malaysia reported three suspicious box. Police detonated one of them and then it was found that.,.... they contained N95 masks. No explosive was found.
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phonicjoy

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So I sell some masks at work.. in holland.. today I got requests for quotes from multiple Chinese, and Hong Kong authorities. This is really freaking me out. We are a small shop, so the supply must be abysmal.
 

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Idiotic /ignorant question.


If they discover a vaccine that works, do they just open the borders again and let the virus travel freely?
 

elty

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With 1.5 billion people, even if you assume only 10% of them walk out and use one mask per day, you are talking about 150 million mask needed every day. I guess the logistic is disrupted so much that factory in China cannot resume full productivity even if they have it.
 

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N95 offers better protection, but it requires fitting, is more expensive and make breathing harder. If you only need it for a short period of time then just buy whatever available.
Thanks.
In that case I might grab a more simple one. Hopefully it'll help a bit both physically and psychologicaly
 
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