People that were hurt because of the things said.
People that were hurt because of the things said.
Trans people.
Why would I? I'm not the biggest fan of TW3 to begin with, this just sours me on CDPR more. I have plenty of other great games to play.all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
I won't. Stop dismissing people's concerns.all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
The post count and account creation date...hmm, perhaps.Transphobic people who put up with bigotry and discrimination on a daily basis, and had to wake up to seeing something like that from a creator of games they presumably might have loved?
Just transphobic people in general?
Are you deliberately being obtuse?
It probably helps seeing the tweet they're responding to.
The person doesn't use a comma and the C2077 account decides to use the confluence of the grammar mistake plus the gender ambiguous appearance of the person in the image was the impetus of the tasteless joke. I can see this as them wanting to do a friendly ribbing on the guy. Problem is they fell back on an unoriginal, harmful joke.
The impression I'm getting from people still not seeing why this is a problem is that they lack that context.
Honestly had no idea that was a transphobic term, I thought it was ridiculing SJW's as a whole.
all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
That one is funny, you assume GotY editions are only bought by repeat customers and you assume everyone here follow the hype cycle too.all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
What the fuck did I miss? Out of morbid curiosity I had to go hunt down the two previous threads preceding this and what an absolute dumpster fire. Were it not for the sea of red banners and struck out usernames I would have had to check to see if I hadn't accidentally clicked on NeoGAF. And I think I'd rather drill a hole into my cranium than to actually go on GAF and see what the troglodytes over there are saying, though I can easily guess. I was expecting to see a good number of gaming side posters do the usual thing and immediately jump to defend the sanctity of one of their favourite video games developers, but I wasn't expecting the sort of graveyard it's turned out to be. It's also heartbreaking to see the responses of a good handful of transgender posters on this very board, because to say they're dismayed and disappointed is genuinely an understatement.
Absolute poor show, CDPR. I wanted to give you guys the benefit of the doubt, but you just make that increasingly difficult for me and for many others as the months go by. I wouldn't bat as much of an eyelid if it's just some dick responding in his own personal account and met with rebuke by CDPR themselves, but this shit was coming from the official Twitter account where presumably the person(s) in charge of their social media would be savvy enough to be able to read the room and understand basic context surrounding the very phrase put out in that particular word order. As for that apology of theirs, what on earth? "Sorry you were offended" is the laziest, weakest, most insincere shit they could crank out. It displaces the blame onto the people who are rightfully upset by the joke and it displays little to no awareness on CDPR's part as to WHY their joke elicited the reaction it did. Goddamn. I'm seriously assessing whether I just drop GOG now and just not bother with any more of their products for the foreseeable future. I think I'll live without Cyberpunk 2077.
Fuck the "it's just a joke" defence. Comedy isn't on life support just because plenty of people rightfully take serious umbrage with jokes that deliberately punch down, mock and marginalise minority groups that already face endemic mockery and marginalisation in everyday society on multiple levels. I think any comedian worth their salt and who isn't a sociopathic prick recognises that else I'd justifiably boo them off the stage for making something like this the punchline of one of their routines.
And especially fuck the "everyone is so easily triggered/offended these days" response that I've had such an unfortunate time of seeing prop up again and again across these three threads and likely everywhere else on the internet, because Christ, it's apparently really hard to not be some empathy-lacking shell who can't see past their own nose and spare any thought for their fellow human beings who already face insidious everyday mockery and marginalisation. To think, I used to think like this. LGBTQ+ marginalisation and the assortment of jokes and dogwhistles that came with it? None of it affected me and I didn't immediately understand why offence was even caused. Because I lacked that crucial understanding and the sufficient empathy that only came after a period of introspection, growing up and listening, I didn't think the concerns of the LGBTQ+ community were valid.
Honestly had no idea that was a transphobic term, I thought it was ridiculing SJW's as a whole.
Honestly had no idea that was a transphobic term, I thought it was ridiculing SJW's as a whole.
all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
What term do I use then?Using the term SJW in the first place shows a complete lack of understanding and context of these things.
Thank god for the mod edit at the start explaining the context of the "joke", like can some good soul explain how the PR guy's tweet is a joke and how that not transphobic?
Like if you don't know it's transphobic how is this a joke?
I don't agree with any of this, specially not Domestic Abuse. We talking the Bloody Baron quest, right? In which the only way Anna gets a "happy" ending is ending up with her abusive husband.Domestic abuse, oppression, female empowerment, relationships, (homo)sexuality, all themes that the game tackles very well in a nuanced and tactful manner.
It's so easy to change "Sorry to all who were offended" to "Sorry to those we offended"
So easy. You even save yourself a word.
Why does that even matter?
I haven't played any Witcher game so why would you assume I would play this shit?
You can use the word progressive.
Context always matters and it's especially true for those not familiar with the meme. I was having a hard time wrapping my head around the whole thing until i saw this post. It made it easier to see how shitty the joke was and to better understand the whole scenario. Spacesong wasn't trying to justify the tweet but used this to provide more context to help others understand what's going on.Context doesn't matter. Using the joke at all in any context for any reason is stupid.
Specifically addressing the audience they offended would be done by saying:No doubt a shitty, disappointing move by CDPR, but I'm fine with the apology. I took the "Sorry to all those who were offended" to be specifically addressing the audience for their apology, rather than dismissive or victim-blaming, especially by following it up with "Harming anyone was never our intention." It feels like an appropriate apology for what was meant to be an understated reply on Twitter made in a bad, uneducated way.
I wouldn't be surprised if (and would like to see) an elaboration was made at a later date when they don't have their hands full at gamescom, but I'm glad they addressed this and removed the tweet.
Non-shitty peopleWhat I'm learning is how offensive that phrase is. I thought it was pretty mild previously and hasn't seen anyone complain at it before. What term do I use then?
Ironically you're also making assumptions claiming CP2077 will be 'shit'
Who specifically are you complaining about? Because in the vast majority of cases SJW refers to somebody who speaks out against bigotry in any fashion, and hopefully you aren't trying to insult them.What I'm learning is how offensive that phrase is. I thought it was pretty mild previously and hasn't seen anyone complain at it before. What term do I use then?
Still no good. It's not about the "offense." It's about the idea. It's about the fact that someone thought it was okay to make a joke that has no other purpose than making fun of LGBT and specifically trans people.It's so easy to change "Sorry to all who were offended" to "Sorry to those we offended"
So easy. You even save yourself a word.
What I'm learning is how offensive that phrase is. I thought it was pretty mild previously and hasn't seen anyone complain at it before. What term do I use then?
No doubt a shitty, disappointing move by CDPR, but I'm fine with the apology. I took the "Sorry to all those who were offended" to be specifically addressing the audience for their apology, rather than dismissive or victim-blaming, especially by following it up with "Harming anyone was never our intention." It feels like an appropriate apology for what was meant to be an understated reply on Twitter made in a bad, uneducated way.
I wouldn't be surprised if (and would like to see) an elaboration was made at a later date when they don't have their hands full at gamescom, but I'm glad they addressed this and removed the tweet.
Here's an actual apology. I'll even keep the "we didn't intend to offend" shit in here, look:
"We apologize for our earlier offensive and transphobic tweet. It was not our intention to offend anybody. CD Projekt RED supports and embraces all people, regardless of their gender identity, and orientation, and does not endorce transphobia or bigotry."
Do you see the difference? One apologizes for the actual statement made and takes accountability for it, while also making it very clear that shitheads who identified with the original offensive statement are not welcome. The one that CDPR tweeted? "lol, sorry you were offended, lul".
I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Some people will pass on the game now because of the tweet.all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
What I'm learning is how offensive that phrase is. I thought it was pretty mild previously and hasn't seen anyone complain at it before. What term do I use then?
I mean if any apology is JUST "Sorry to those we offended" it is a pretty crap apology that does not show remorse or understanding of the situation. So I agree with you. But it is 10x better than shifting an apology to focus on other's reactions versus your own actions.Still no good. It's not about the "offense." It's about the idea. It's about the fact that someone thought it was okay to make a joke that has no other purpose than making fun of LGBT and specifically trans people.
Isn't it basically the same apology they gave when they dogwhistled GamerGate?
Consider using "People who absolutely know what they're talking about more than I do", because I'm guessing it'd be accurate in your case.
all of yall actin like you still wont be playing this game day one lmaooo
I've had discussions with people who stopped listening to what I was saying because they had an idea of who I was and what I was saying, and would prefer to attack me for something I didn't say. I guess people like that; those that get so lost in their cause that they are blinded from having an actual discussion.Who specifically are you complaining about? Because in the vast majority of cases SJW refers to somebody who speaks out against bigotry in any fashion, and hopefully you aren't trying to insult them.
Good for you, what a stupid shitpost.