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DEATH STRANDING - Spoiler Thread
- Thread starter vestan
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Yep unfortunately this seems to be confirming everything I feared with this: what we have seen is mostly all there is. Will be fun for some people, not me. Also just wow at the people saying maybe they were just playing it wrong. Maybe, just maybe, its a bit of a miss.
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No you're right, I remember this too.
Some people are accusing this dude of just rushing through the game, I've no idea if that's what he's doing but Kojima said that certain areas have certain BTs, you have to make the conscious decision to plot out a course that will ensure you can get your job done. I think the leaker just means stuff like activities you can do because he went and clairifed that games like RDR2 have fishing but Death Stranding doesn't have anything outside of just using the open-world to get from one point to another.
The fact that Kojima had to show 1h+ of gameplay because the people kept crying about the fact that we never saw raw gameplay might have ruined it... I looked at it because I'm really curious and i would have loved to discover myself the robot skating thing, the exo skeletons...
The setting, themes, concepts and everything around the game is interesting to me. It's just the gameplay that has me bummed...and gameplay is kinda important for a video game
Gameplay Impressions #6
More impressions from Shirrako.
"pacing is way off
Story is interesting, just too much gaps in between
if you don't play this game often you'll forget what happened before the next cutscene happens"
"DS is basically 1hr of cool shit
4hrs of delivering packages to npcs"
open world is more interesting than MGSV, but has the same drawbacks of open world -
"it's more interesting lol, mgs5 was so dead
hard to beat it"
"it's fun when you explore new land
but when the game asks you to drive back 5km just to deliver a package to a place you've been to before
you're like "fk off""
"all the safe houses look the exact same
they all have the exact same building you enter to connect
and all the resting places are 100% copy and paste the same in all of them"
"Minecraft has elements of hiding and taking shelter when it's dark
this has no day/night cycle which is a huge fail
but it has rain
when it rains you need to take shelter or it will damage your cargo"
"well i like exploring
and roleplaying, aka playing the game like i am really there"
"just know the start of the game is a bit of a chore at some times"
"it's not as good as RDR2 or God of War
but then again, it's a different game
it's focus is cooperation and exploration
if you are expecting third person stealth action MGS6
you're gonna want to refund"
Story is interesting, just too much gaps in between
if you don't play this game often you'll forget what happened before the next cutscene happens"
"DS is basically 1hr of cool shit
4hrs of delivering packages to npcs"
open world is more interesting than MGSV, but has the same drawbacks of open world -
"it's more interesting lol, mgs5 was so dead
hard to beat it"
"it's fun when you explore new land
but when the game asks you to drive back 5km just to deliver a package to a place you've been to before
you're like "fk off""
"all the safe houses look the exact same
they all have the exact same building you enter to connect
and all the resting places are 100% copy and paste the same in all of them"
"Minecraft has elements of hiding and taking shelter when it's dark
this has no day/night cycle which is a huge fail
but it has rain
when it rains you need to take shelter or it will damage your cargo"
"well i like exploring
and roleplaying, aka playing the game like i am really there"
"just know the start of the game is a bit of a chore at some times"
"it's not as good as RDR2 or God of War
but then again, it's a different game
it's focus is cooperation and exploration
if you are expecting third person stealth action MGS6
you're gonna want to refund"
Now i know how a new IP was made in 3 years with 100 main devs.
Still interested and day one.
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Lol yeah explains a lot tbh, but it seems like the game Kojima wanted to make in the end
How much of the story is about motherhood?
Because that always seemed weird for Kojima to cover.
Because that always seemed weird for Kojima to cover.
Because he seemed less good at potentially covering that subject vs others
I see that all the new impressions continue the "boring gameplay" trend which is a shame.
I'll make my own opinion when I play it, but considering all the leaker's comments I wonder why did they base a full open world game on the worst aspect of existing ones (repetitive quests and lots of boring traversal) and tried to sell it as a new genre.
It should be related to time/budget constraints, after MGSV I hoped that Kojima will try to push lots of options and great gameplay again.
I'll make my own opinion when I play it, but considering all the leaker's comments I wonder why did they base a full open world game on the worst aspect of existing ones (repetitive quests and lots of boring traversal) and tried to sell it as a new genre.
It should be related to time/budget constraints, after MGSV I hoped that Kojima will try to push lots of options and great gameplay again.
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Some more bits from Mr. Throwaway:
- The Death Stranding event isn't explained that much. Seems like they (UCA) don't know. Deadman explained long ago how Bridge Babies were being used to help understand the Death Stranding but public opinion was heated so they eased off only to find out a group of separatists (Homo Demens) were doing the same. The first voidout killed the President, and the second one occured. The tech (Bridge Babies?) was lost until recently.
- Upgrades are gained from story progression and side missions (we kinda knew this already)
There's one thing I want to say, and fair warning, I'll likely say it again a couple of times in future threads.
Whether folks love or loath the core gameplay loop, I hope those that kept saying "It's obvious Kojima is holding a ton back from previews, dude made MGS2 after all lmao" stop with this narrative going forward. More than once, I saw people insisting that the idea that Death Stranding is primarily about walking great distances delivering cargo is foolish, because Kojima is famous for his mindfucks.
Yes, he is. After a fashion. But Metal Gear Solid 2 came out 18 years ago. There are US citizens who can legally vote now who were born just after its release. The "whoa mindfuck preview footage campaign!" Hideo Kojima is 18 years older now. He still loves his secrets but to the best of my knowledge he hasn't willfully misrepresented a video game since 2001. Not nearly to such an extent, and not nearly to the extent that some folks seem ready to predict whenever a new A Hideo Kojima Game (TM) is on the horizon.
There's a solid chance I'll like Death Stranding. But we had the gist of "what do you even do in this game tho lol" well within our grasp a long time ago. I highly recommend that those who still mention the MGS2 twist marketing as reason to doubt everything we see in contemporary Kojima titles take things a bit more literally next time around.
I say this because we stand on the brink of an inevitable deluge of bizarre "Kojima tricked me, this game is soooo boring" threads. I know it. I have foreseen it.
Whether folks love or loath the core gameplay loop, I hope those that kept saying "It's obvious Kojima is holding a ton back from previews, dude made MGS2 after all lmao" stop with this narrative going forward. More than once, I saw people insisting that the idea that Death Stranding is primarily about walking great distances delivering cargo is foolish, because Kojima is famous for his mindfucks.
Yes, he is. After a fashion. But Metal Gear Solid 2 came out 18 years ago. There are US citizens who can legally vote now who were born just after its release. The "whoa mindfuck preview footage campaign!" Hideo Kojima is 18 years older now. He still loves his secrets but to the best of my knowledge he hasn't willfully misrepresented a video game since 2001. Not nearly to such an extent, and not nearly to the extent that some folks seem ready to predict whenever a new A Hideo Kojima Game (TM) is on the horizon.
There's a solid chance I'll like Death Stranding. But we had the gist of "what do you even do in this game tho lol" well within our grasp a long time ago. I highly recommend that those who still mention the MGS2 twist marketing as reason to doubt everything we see in contemporary Kojima titles take things a bit more literally next time around.
I say this because we stand on the brink of an inevitable deluge of bizarre "Kojima tricked me, this game is soooo boring" threads. I know it. I have foreseen it.
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This so much. It pisses me off. People are gonna go into this game thinking there's gonna be an MGS2 tier mindfuck and twist but when the story/gameplay is more straightforward, they're gonna get mad at Kojima for not including something he never promised.
Yeah. It's mindbogglingly ridiculous. Like, be a Kojima fan or don't be a Kojima fan. For the most part, I am a Kojima fan, myself! But the notion that he does these things with every game he makes is such a weirdly self-destroying prophecy.
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For alot of us, the MGS2 hope was the only thing we could cling too.
I fucking hated what I saw at TGS, it felt like I was watching a great director fall completely out of touch.
Sadly, it does feel like he's lost the plot. He honestly seemed to think he was doing something completely new and unprecedented. But here we've hearing that there really isn't anything new about the whole social strand thing. He himself admitted that he doesn't really play a lot of other games.
I can see this. The same way that suggesting that what we have seen so far is what we will got (a crazy idea it seems) triggers all the fanboys to reply to you saying that "there's no way Kojima isn't hidding a complete new game as a surprise", we will see negative threads related to the lack of any big surprise, if the leaks are to be trusted.
I mean, take a look at discord, there are some posters that are even disregarding solid opinions from what seem to be confirmed leakers because "they score won't compute for the Metacritic average so their opinions won't take down the game from 90+ MC". Which is really sad, it seems like they only need a high MC to validate their "opinions".
This hype culture at the end only hurts realistic expectactions, every time I read a "GOTG" as a reaction to a single trailer or a single announcement I wonder what the hell is happening here.
So the game is as tedious as I expected damnit. I guess I'll sit this one out for sure then.
So the online elements arent that game changing or what??
So the online elements arent that game changing or what??
Kinda disappointing how his following keeps growing. I know we're hungry for spoilers but he's the worst. Still making KKK RDR2 videos just a couple weeks ago lol
He's not a reviewer but his source of playing many big games early probably is.
Even ignoring the stuff he got banned for briefly last year, I don't look at him as someone to trust in terms of game impressions.
He essentially blitzes through games as fast as possible to post them on youtube first with clickbait titles/thumbnails.
didn't he say his own team wasn't a fan of the concept originally but eventually came around to it?
To be honest I never thought about it and think it was just the aesthetic.
if they actually looked different from other BTs than maybe
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Mama details:
- Mama's child was meant for Locke (her sister), because she wanted a kid but her husband died horribly in an accident, the place Mama gets attacked, and she gives birth to a BT. She feels bad so she keeps it, she eventually develops and upgrades her cuffs so she can sever ties with the BT, which Sam is asked to do. She's weak, so she's wrapped up in a bodybag. That's when you come across Higgs in the Tokyo Game Show 2018 trailer and he summons the Catcher.
If these impressions are true they probably came around to it because they really had no other choice. Its Kojima's baby after all.
It could be that they just took a kind of leap of faith. They do seem very loyal to him. Like, working for Kojima, you probably get used to hearing strange ideas that actually play better than they sound at first.
It's hard not to empathize with someone in your position, so I hear you and I'm sorry things have turned out this way. D:
Gotta say, that's even worse than what I was talking about! This entertainment medium has gotten wild. Though I suppose it's hardly limited to gaming. I've seen that sort of thing for upcoming movies in popular franchises and it's like. :|
The whole media campaign thing tied into MGS2's themes themself of misinformation in the media, too.
There will never be another game like it and there's really no reason for him to try and pull it off again.
Jut letting you guys know, the spoiler channel for the game on Discord is now not accepting invites.
that's your own fault. He literally showed you the game and what is was about. The only thing that could potentially be a surprise with the game was story aspects.
he's never withheld gameplay elements. Only in MGS2 and that was in regards more so with the story.
This is 100% what I've been expecting. His games have always felt amazing to play and especially his last one. Based on that 'trend', my assumption was kind of that whatever I'm seeing will probably FEEL much more complex and interesting to actually control/engage with, much like MGSV where I found even simple things highly enjoyable to actually do.
I'm still more than likely gonna get it Day 1 but these impressions are certainly dampening my hype quite a bit. What they're saying actually sounds more boring than what would dampen my hype only 'a bit', but I'm still willing to take some of these with a grain of salt.
That being said, if it turns out to be truly boring ass gameplay, it'd certainly be a first. I also hope Kojima invested in a bomb shelter in that case, the backlash and Schadenfreude would be of legendary proportions.
I mean, we like to poke fun at walking sim games, but this is legitimately a walking simulator with weight, stamina, etc that force the player to be more tactical in how they play the game.
That's pretty unique in terms of gameplay mechanics, it seems much deeper than the likes of Fallout or Elder Scrolls.
doubtful. Again a lot of you are putting too much weight into how a few people feel about the game.
not a lot of people will like this. The game is centered around walking where even walking on an incline could cause you to lose your cargo.
but anyone magically expecting this game to morph into a stealth action game like MGS wasn't paying attention to anything we saw
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The E3 demo ended up being surprisingly representative of the final game.