Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

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MinusTydus

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There's a pandemic. Bernie has no shot. He should drop out and just work behind the scenes to get his platform adopted rather than relitigate his stump speech.
This.

It's irresponsible for him to continue. He has no path to the White House. By having people continue to vote in primaries, gather in long lines and groups, he is endangering lives now. By all means, continue your message on your Twitch channel and The YouTube, but it's time to wrap it up.

The correct thing to do is to drop out immediately following tomorrow's results, but I feel he will continue this charade a little longer.
 

UltimateHigh

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IMO, pretty much everyone bar Sam has been insufferable on the Majority Report this election. As Bernie’s chances of winning have become non-existent, some have just doubled down on dumb shit. Like this completely ridiculous 10 minute video about AOC liking a video.

I fucking can’t.
100%. i dont even know why im still subscribed. the way they title their videos is often obnoxious too, dont even bother clicking.
 

Znazzy

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I’m extremely disappointed that the judge rejected the plea in OH to delay the election, but I understand the ruling due to no legal precedent.

At this point, Bernie absolutely needs to drop out of the race. He has no path to victory, and it’s endangering people’s lives (both voters and poll workers) to wait in long lines tomorrow.
 
In my dream scenario for the debate, Sanders would have dropped out and endorsed Biden in his closing statement, and we would have been able to cancel the rest of the primaries... At least the DNC was able to reduce the number of caucuses, cause those would be even more of a clusterfuck during a pandemic.

Oh well, there's still time to do the right thing, Bernie.
 

ArjanN

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Oct 25, 2017
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Putting that on Bernie is just dumb. You could just as easily argue Biden should drop out for the same reason.
 

eathdemon

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In my dream scenario for the debate, Sanders would have dropped out and endorsed Biden in his closing statement, and we would have been able to cancel the rest of the primaries... At least the DNC was able to reduce the number of caucuses, cause those would be even more of a clusterfuck during a pandemic.

Oh well, there's still time to do the right thing, Bernie.
we know he wont. I hope this doesnt turn in to a mess, I guess we will know in 2 weeks sadly.
 

SmokeMaxX

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Oct 25, 2017
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Biden should drop out as the overwhelming leader? Bernie's gonna win the White House with the support of Vermont and... North Dakota?
Uhh Sanders barely cleared 50% in Vermont this primary. I wouldn't assume it'll be a lock as time goes on. Don't underestimate his ability to lose voters and elections.

Here's what appearing on the debate did to his support:
 

Volimar

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One thing I hate that trump has given us is the rise of tweets and titles that are just single words or simple phrases being shouted.

FAKE NEWS!

CROOKED HILLARY!
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think both of them should drop out and let Tulsi have it.

Female VPs aren't enough, time for a female president and she also gets bonus points for being Samoan and Hindu . Very progressive.

It's crazy that people are going to die over a primary that is already decided.
 

Volimar

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Is there a way to watch the full debate from the other day? I had it in my "watch later" on youtube but it got deleted.

It's cut into pieces but here:

 

Jzeero

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Most likely but that's besides the point, you can have proper elections AND watch out for people's safety.

Saying Bernie should drop out because of this is just working backwards from wanting Biden to win.
It’s not ‘most likely’. That’s not how this process works. For Biden to now lose would either require him to develop a health condition that made him unable to run, or a scandal so overwhelming he would have to drop out immediately.

That’s it. There is no other way for Bernie to win. The numbers are so stacked against him it’s impossible.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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It’s not ‘most likely’. That’s not how this process works. For Biden to now lose would either require him to develop a health condition that made him unable to run, or a scandal so overwhelming he would have to drop out immediately.

That’s it. There is no other way for Bernie to win. The numbers are so stacked against him it’s impossible.
If Biden were to withdraw, his delegates are still voting for the nominee.

And they aren't going to be voting for Sanders.
 

Psychoward

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Most likely but that's besides the point, you can have proper elections AND watch out for people's safety.

Saying Bernie should drop out because of this is just working backwards from wanting Biden to win.
I mean if they were at a near equal delegate count and had a near equal chance of winning the upcoming states sure.

I want Bernie to win but he's losing states he won in 2016 and overall doing worse, the map ahead is not kind to him, youth haven't showed up to vote for him like his campaign said they would, he's losing leverage with pulling Biden to the left because he's losing more states as this thing goes on and Biden is beating him in states that Biden hasn't even step foot in while Bernie definitely has the better ground game and better fundraising. Covid-19 is just another reason to add on to the pile of why he should drop out after getting clobbered tomorrow. Plus he can't even hold rallies and whatnot either because of Covid-19.
 
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Most likely but that's besides the point, you can have proper elections AND watch out for people's safety.

Saying Bernie should drop out because of this is just working backwards from wanting Biden to win.
If Sanders had an electoral path, things would be different. Or if were in normal circumstances and things were the same, with him having no path but choosing to stay in anyway, that would ultimately also be fine. It would just be politics as usual. Annoying, but fine, and absolutely his right.

But as things stand, he has no path. That doesn't change if he stays in. No matter how long he stays in, the result will be the same and he'll end up having the concede to Biden all the same. He just doesn't have a path.

Normally, that would just be annoying, but absolutely would be his right.

But these aren't normal circumstances. There's a global pandemic happening right now. No matter how long Sanders stays in, the result will be the same. He simply has no chance of winning. There's no path.

All him staying in does is put more people at risk of infection, and will not change that truth, that he will end up having to concede to Biden eventually all the same, in any way.

Under normal circumstances, people might be able to squabble either way as to the politics and optics for it and whether it's worth it or not, with it just being a personal opinion thing and it ultimately not mattering in the end, either way, whatsoever.

But these are not not normal circumstances, at all. COVID-19 is already a pandemic and unfortunately the most likely scenario is that it gets worse in the coming weeks, not better.

Now normally, things might be different. But under these kind of circumstances, with Biden's delegate lead already being what it is, with polls in upcoming states being what they are, with Sanders just having no path and only falling further and further behind in terms of delegates... How can that be said to be worth it, putting people at risk like that?

Normally, I'd at least be willing to hear the "let people have their say, especially since it doesn't really matter if people stick in or not because that doesn't typically affect anything in the end." But under these circumstances? What would be the point of Sanders staying in? What would be accomplished, and can it truly be said to be worth it, putting people at risk like that at all, when the result won't change at all, and the writing's on the wall regardless? Is that really worth it?

I'm just not sure I can say that at this point, at all, myself. It seems a very hard case to make at this point to me, seeing the necessity of taking that risk at all, whatsoever, when it's so easily avoidable.
 

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SemRockwel

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The impression I got from prominent online socialists like Michael Brooks is that their main goal is promoting socialism, and anyone they perceive as an obstacle to that is an enemy (Warren).

I guess their attitude was masked by years of being able to make easy dunks on Trump.
 

matrix-cat

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It's been so disappointing seeing the "Who cares about his record, that was 10/20/30 years ago!" takes on Era of all places. In any other thread, downplaying some of the shit Biden has pulled over the years would get you a Duration Pending - dismissing homophobia, but here you've got people pretending it's all water under the bridge. Don't worry about his well-documented history of being a bad guy, because now he's a good guy; I know because he's telling me he is.

I'm not saying don't vote for him in the general, just, like, keep your dignity and don't cheerlead for the guy. He hasn't changed, for goodness sake. He's a classic scumbag politician, taking whatever position was politically expedient at the time, on the wrong side of every major decision his entire career, and now he recants the day before launching a Presidential run and people want to welcome him with open arms. Yes, a politician's record matters. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. The reason Bernie has credibility is not because of what he's willing to say today to get votes, but because he has consistently said those things for decades even when it wasn't advantageous to do so.

Again, please vote for Biden over Trump, but recognize that he's simply the better of two shitty old fucks. Seeing people calling him Uncle Joe and convincing themselves he's going to be some progressive hero is just nauseating.
 
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It's been so disappointing seeing the "Who cares about his record, that was 10/20/30 years ago!" takes on Era of all places. In any other thread, downplaying some of the shit Biden has pulled over the years would get you a Duration Pending - dismissing homophobia, but here you've got people pretending it's all water under the bridge. Don't worry about his well-documented history of being a bad guy, because now he's a good guy; I know because he's telling me he is.

I'm not saying don't vote for him in the general, just, like, keep your dignity and don't cheerlead for the guy. He hasn't changed, for goodness sake. He's a classic scumbag politician, taking whatever position was politically expedient at the time, on the wrong side of every major decision his entire career, and now he recants the day before launching a Presidential run and people want to welcome him with open arms. Yes, a politician's record matters. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. The reason Bernie has credibility is not because of what he's willing to say today to get votes, but because he has consistently said those things for decades even when it wasn't advantageous to do so.

Again, please vote for Biden over Trump, but recognize that he's simply the better of two shitty old fucks. Seeing people calling him Uncle Joe and convincing themselves he's going to be some progressive hero is just nauseating.
Exactly. By all means, vote Biden. For god's sake vote Blue no matter who. But let's not lie about/dismiss his record and his current performances.
 

THube

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It's been so disappointing seeing the "Who cares about his record, that was 10/20/30 years ago!" takes on Era of all places. In any other thread, downplaying some of the shit Biden has pulled over the years would get you a Duration Pending - dismissing homophobia, but here you've got people pretending it's all water under the bridge. Don't worry about his well-documented history of being a bad guy, because now he's a good guy; I know because he's telling me he is.

I'm not saying don't vote for him in the general, just, like, keep your dignity and don't cheerlead for the guy. He hasn't changed, for goodness sake. He's a classic scumbag politician, taking whatever position was politically expedient at the time, on the wrong side of every major decision his entire career, and now he recants the day before launching a Presidential run and people want to welcome him with open arms. Yes, a politician's record matters. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. The reason Bernie has credibility is not because of what he's willing to say today to get votes, but because he has consistently said those things for decades even when it wasn't advantageous to do so.

Again, please vote for Biden over Trump, but recognize that he's simply the better of two shitty old fucks. Seeing people calling him Uncle Joe and convincing themselves he's going to be some progressive hero is just nauseating.
Yeah. Dude's not progressive. To try to assert otherwise is ghoulish.
 

Volimar

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It's been so disappointing seeing the "Who cares about his record, that was 10/20/30 years ago!" takes on Era of all places. In any other thread, downplaying some of the shit Biden has pulled over the years would get you a Duration Pending - dismissing homophobia, but here you've got people pretending it's all water under the bridge. Don't worry about his well-documented history of being a bad guy, because now he's a good guy; I know because he's telling me he is.

I'm not saying don't vote for him in the general, just, like, keep your dignity and don't cheerlead for the guy. He hasn't changed, for goodness sake. He's a classic scumbag politician, taking whatever position was politically expedient at the time, on the wrong side of every major decision his entire career, and now he recants the day before launching a Presidential run and people want to welcome him with open arms. Yes, a politician's record matters. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. The reason Bernie has credibility is not because of what he's willing to say today to get votes, but because he has consistently said those things for decades even when it wasn't advantageous to do so.

Again, please vote for Biden over Trump, but recognize that he's simply the better of two shitty old fucks. Seeing people calling him Uncle Joe and convincing themselves he's going to be some progressive hero is just nauseating.

People aren't denying his bad past. But if someone shows you that they've changed, you believe that too. Sanders has changed his position on things too. Hold Biden accountable for the things he's done and the things he still does, but don't pretend people accepting that a person who has worked legislatively and administratively to show that he has changed is the same as stanning some celebrity who denies wrongdoing.
 

supra

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It's been so disappointing seeing the "Who cares about his record, that was 10/20/30 years ago!" takes on Era of all places. In any other thread, downplaying some of the shit Biden has pulled over the years would get you a Duration Pending - dismissing homophobia, but here you've got people pretending it's all water under the bridge. Don't worry about his well-documented history of being a bad guy, because now he's a good guy; I know because he's telling me he is.

I'm not saying don't vote for him in the general, just, like, keep your dignity and don't cheerlead for the guy. He hasn't changed, for goodness sake. He's a classic scumbag politician, taking whatever position was politically expedient at the time, on the wrong side of every major decision his entire career, and now he recants the day before launching a Presidential run and people want to welcome him with open arms. Yes, a politician's record matters. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. The reason Bernie has credibility is not because of what he's willing to say today to get votes, but because he has consistently said those things for decades even when it wasn't advantageous to do so.

Again, please vote for Biden over Trump, but recognize that he's simply the better of two shitty old fucks. Seeing people calling him Uncle Joe and convincing themselves he's going to be some progressive hero is just nauseating.
I did the whole song and dance for Hillary last time around, but not this time. Joe can earn my vote, but he won't. He'll probably still win IL without it.
 

BobLoblaw

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The impression I got from prominent online socialists like Michael Brooks is that their main goal is promoting socialism, and anyone they perceive as an obstacle to that is an enemy (Warren).

I guess their attitude was masked by years of being able to make easy dunks on Trump.
They really need to get their own party and stop leeching off of the Democratic on. Are there similarities? Yes. But don't try to force the Democratic party to adopt your ideals when they aren't ready.
 

Wraith

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Jun 28, 2018
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Ugh, I made a mistake and followed a tweet into a bunch of "#NeverBiden" replies. Along the lines of "better to wait 4 years than 8 years for our policies," and "would only vote for him if he made [someone who would never be on the ticket] VP." No, we're not seeing a Joe Biden/Marianne Williamson ticket.

How can you look at the fucking moron in the white house and his repeated efforts to put our people, our health, our democracy at risk and say "Sure, another 4 years of that is fine" and "Sure America got it wrong in 2016, and 2020, but 2024 is a lock!" Think Bernie's going to be running again four years from now? Yeah, I wanted him over Biden, but in the general, sitting out is just... you know this isn't a game, right? People's lives and livelihoods hang in the balance these next four years, too.

I know some folks have the luxury of living in an actually "safe" state and can throw their vote away on a write-in, but for most voters, this is an extremely bad idea. There's a world beyond your personal politics. Will it feel bad if Biden runs away with it? Yes. But you can't let that feeling be all there is.
 

schuelma

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Oct 24, 2017
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Votes should still be counted regardless. Think of it as an exercise for Biden to gauge his popularity in those states. Determine how much of a snake he has to be or embrace his embarrassing past record
thats..not how this is supposed to work. You’re talking about wasting millions of dollars and months of time for what?
 
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