This is the best time to do it. I'm starting to think some people don't want change, even at some ill-defined point in the future, if a pandemic that's going to put 1/5 of the country out of work doesn't inspire them to make change
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Another Floridian who freely voted Bernie. I'm no stranger to lost battles, I voted for Nader in 2004.
I don't mean this as a dig or trying to be smug but didn't Spain do just that recently? Correct me if I'm reading this wrong.
Spain has nationalized all of its private hospitals as the country goes into coronavirus lockdown
More people are going to go bankrupt from medical bills than ever, so of course this is the worst time to change how we fund healthcare.
what am i burning
i think the planet is going to be burning a lot but i don't want that
I don't remember if I voted in the 2004 primaries but my man, high five!
It was one of the first times I took voting seriously, and he was the only guy who seemed like he gave a damn. I've learned my lesson though, I know the odds are stacked against anyone who's not two party.
It does feel like an endless loop that is impossible to escape. Democrats will continue to implement policies that are insufficient for solving the problems they are meant to address, and their constituents will keep voting for the ad-infinitum because they aren't Democrats.
it's really hard to tell
I think i stared at your response for a solid 30 seconds before deciding to ignore it, lol
Got damn, are Democrats going to actually be competitive in some southern states this election?
Funny, now I remember that I think I took a test to find my candidate and the answer I got was Dennis Kucinich (can't remember if that was good or bad)...and yea, like friends have told me this before, this is a two-party system, hell the Simpsons have pointed out all those years ago. I don't blame Bernie running on a Dem ticket despite being independent, it would be insane to do so otherwise.
It will always be an uphill battle for any change.
Yes because the poor don't deserve healthcare, even during a pandemic.
Do you just not have a reference point for "not fascist," or...?
I'm sorta drunk, but I thought I was clear!
It's insane to me that Biden still does not support M4A, and that people accept it.
This article isn't a response to what I said.
Bernie supporters who start complaining about toxicity now and only when it's directed at them are not seeing the whole picture.
And the sentiment analysis tool they used is not that great.
- I typed in "Pete is a rat" and it came back 7% positive, 89% neutral, 4% negative
- I typed in the snake emoji and it returns "Unknown"
M4A doesn't even go into effect for 1-4 years after the bill is signed, depending on the bill. Running on a multi-year fix is ridiculous during a pandemic.
Medicare for All doesn't go far enough, wow this month we really have moved fast. Sign me up for M4A starting now I guess.
For real lol
Folks out here really acting like the majority of our generation gives a fuck or votes and they gotta get their egos stroked or else. Spending significant resource to convince the youth (especially the Bernie or bust faction) is a waste. Every election shows how much smoke is up the 'youth votes' ass.
There are asshole supporters of every candidate, and, unlike Trump, all Democratic candidates disavow, let alone condone, that behavior.
Fact: Joe Biden will have the most progressive agenda of any Dem nominee in a general election and stands a good chance of winning control of the Senate to actually pass his agenda.
If you vote against Biden or don't vote at all because Biden is the nominee you don't want progressive legislation to ever pass.
If you vote against Biden or don't vote at all because Biden is the nominee you don't want progressive legislation to ever pass.
M4A doesn't go far enough, but it's also a bad idea because it's a complete upheaval of the medical industry? What?
The issue was Biden "running" on that issue. The Spanish government is already in power, it can just do it and doesn't have to argue with voters over it in the midst of the crisis.
Elections always remind me of how much of America's political process can be summed as such.
Voters-"Yeah, I care about problem X. Problem X is something we should really do more about...
...but like...are the solutions to problem X gonna raise my taxes at all?"
America has always been a pretty fascist country in a lot of ways.
It's just been dialed up to 11 with Trump.
Biden will bring it down to a more comfortable 7 or 8. Might have to do some saber rattling with North Korea/help Israel curb stomp the Palestinians.
Voters-"Yeah, I care about problem X. Problem X is something we should really do more about...
...but like...are the solutions to problem X gonna raise my taxes at all?"
America has always been a pretty fascist country in a lot of ways.
It's just been dialed up to 11 with Trump.
Biden will bring it down to a more comfortable 7 or 8. Might have to do some saber rattling with North Korea/help Israel curb stomp the Palestinians.
The point was not that it "doesn't go far enough", but that M4A wouldn't be implemented in a timeframe that would make any difference to the coronavirus crisis.
Maybe not now, but what about future situations? I know the present is important, but I think future events also need to be taken into consideration.
Haven't. Unless you mean early in the primaries where everyone was wondering how he was doing so poorly. Besides I caught a month long ban for dismissing concerns of racism in a Bloomberg thread when I told people Bloomberg was better than Trump. And I've learned from that. I am not stanning for a racist centrist that just so happened to change his tune when it was convenient nor am I going to tell people to suck it up and vote for him despite his horrendous record of being wrong his entire career
I assume you mean 1470s. Either way, disease is an timely metaphor. Both are best dealt with by flattening the curve. Mitigation will help more people more quickly than waiting for a silver bullet.
This whole situation just shows how much M4A is needed, or at the very least, highlights how screwy our healthcare system is currently.
If they passed a public option tomorrow, that would be the best outcome for the situation we are in at the moment.
Tons of people are already hurting when it comes to health care. I luckily don't need it very much, but if I DID get this virus and it was bad, I'd be out tons of money due to my lovely insurance plan that we all love or something. And that is AFTER blue cross gets thousands a year from me in premiums from my employer. Then I have to meet that lovely deductible. All said and done, insurance company gets like 10k from me before dat private insurance plan kicks in.
If they passed a public option tomorrow, that would be the best outcome for the situation we are in at the moment.
Tons of people are already hurting when it comes to health care. I luckily don't need it very much, but if I DID get this virus and it was bad, I'd be out tons of money due to my lovely insurance plan that we all love or something. And that is AFTER blue cross gets thousands a year from me in premiums from my employer. Then I have to meet that lovely deductible. All said and done, insurance company gets like 10k from me before dat private insurance plan kicks in.
The DNC doesn't run the primaries, that's the discretion of the state government (as we saw with Ohio, where DeWine halted them).
I've seen this come up a lot, but just FYI Tom Perez and The DNC have no control over a lot of the primaries. Governors/Legislators of the state do. Which is why Georgia and LA were postponed but others were not.
oh you're right a massive scale display of incompetence and corruption directly contributing to the spread of a pandemic probably won't cause any disillusionment. thanks for filling me in, my head was so empty before you came into my life.
He inspired them so much they didn't even vote for him.
What an icon!!!
Again, people don't understand who actually runs the elections.
Bernie's coalition doesn't show up and vote. That's on them.
Well it still sounds empty just now whining about something you don't know about
maybe the 7 hour waits at insufficient polling stations had something to do with people who historically are poorer and have less free time than their elders not being able to get their vote out.
alright. Anyway, I just meant in general, that nothing like that should happen. In fact both Biden and Sanders should have left a message for the voters to not go vote, that staying at home is better than voting in the current situation. But I am assuming neither of them did it (one is afraid of completely losing the primaries, the other afraid of ressurecting the opponent...). This was the time for the 'party unity', they should have united to not vote and stay home.
edit. on top of that, I am sure someone in their teams said that it is a good time to have the primaries because Trump has all the attention now so with primaries they can have their winning speeches and maybe use it to bash Trump for a bit.... but man, you dont send voters to die (yeah, some will) just because you want to get a bit of press leading to the GE.
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