I agree, RPG has kinda become synonymous with levelling sysyems, skill trees and gear upgrades, which feels reductive.
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Detroit Become Human wins Role Playing Game of the Year at #TheAGAs
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I can see that too but the thing is that all these narrative/choice based games on the one hand give you a lot pf freedom in terms of choices like D&D does BUT on the other hand they don't let you create your own character, all the characters are fixed.
So even looking it that way it's still a stretch saying Detroit is an RPG and I'm saying this as a huge Detroit fan :P
Tony Hawk on the other hand does not have any choices for you to make and doesn't even follow a story...I think xD?
But the character creator is always an RPG thing even if the game itself is not an RPG.
I mean... RPG has a very specific connotation in gaming. Regardless of what it means literally. This is kind of silly but it's just an awards show so wutevs
The timeline says otherwise
I should note that the timeline is wrong, Tony and Bam duel for supremacy in Underground 2. Undeground 1 is when Sparrow sacrifices the Player Pro in order to start the Eclipse
The timeline says otherwise
Wow...Really?What the...I didn't even know that xD.
I heard this awards show was a massive disaster which is a shame because the more encouragement Australian game development gets, the better.
I mean they couldn't even get judges who know what a RPG is. The award should have gone to Tetris Effect.
I mean they couldn't even get judges who know what a RPG is. The award should have gone to Tetris Effect.
That's literally where rpgs as video games came from.
Rpg's are not defined by their "combat" and such, it's a very open genre that can have many variations within it.
I mean you got great turn-based rpgs with deep character choices/dialogue, then you have real-time combat games w/choices (IE Mass effect), on the flip sid you have rpgs that offer little choice to you as a player on how the story or character you're playing unfolds (IE God of War). You can build up his skills and get loot, but the story and things are linear and offer you really no room to make Kratos play how you, as a player, want in regards to that.
So if those games are rpgs, why then can Detroit not be considered an rpg?
It doesn't have stats, but it does choice and consequence better than a lot of actual RPGs. Certainly closer to RPG than Action/Adventure, and it doesn't fit into any of the other categories they had.
Apparently this game has 40 DIFFERENT ENDINGS. Is there any RPG in the history of video games that has so much choices and different outcomes available?
Also what constitutes an rpg anyway? Many diehards don't consider many generally accepted rpg's even rpg's because they're linear games that don't give you choice/different outcomes based on how you play, yet here is a game that probably has more than their favorite "real" rpg's.
Would it be a really real rpg if it had stats, skill trees and magic?
Also what constitutes an rpg anyway? Many diehards don't consider many generally accepted rpg's even rpg's because they're linear games that don't give you choice/different outcomes based on how you play, yet here is a game that probably has more than their favorite "real" rpg's.
Would it be a really real rpg if it had stats, skill trees and magic?
I mean, it fits the literal definition of role playing much more closely than what most games which casuals refer to as "RPGs" nowadays fit the traits of the actual genre. Just the presence of an experience system, some ignorable stats and maybe even a skilltree does not turn what it clearly an action-adventure game into an RPG.
Hell, given the non-linearity involved with the branching choices Detroit might actually be closer to the WRPG genre as well.
Hell, given the non-linearity involved with the branching choices Detroit might actually be closer to the WRPG genre as well.
Where did I say The Witcher 3 wasn't?
Also yes, one could argue games from Telltale like TWD and others that let you make choices and have dialogue through which you can make choices also would lend it to being considered rpg in nature. A traditional rpg? no, but certainly rpg elements that could be considered in the same way Detroit: BH is being considered an rpg for this award.
I mean lets take for example a game like Undertale, which is considered an rpg, yet it has many elements that make up adventure games and such in regards to puzzles and other elements.
Then there is the combat in it, which doesn't really play like your normal rpg combat either.
I always felt like the crux of an RPG was that your character's knowledge, skills, etc make the impact moreso than the player's. Having lots of choices isn't core to it, but is nice. Having a lot of loot and skills and other ways to develop a character is good too. But in the end, I find it useful to largely draw the line between winning because *I* am good at the game versus winning because *the character* has gotten stronger and more capable.
Detroit is a choose-your-own-adventure book in game form, not an RPG.
Detroit is a choose-your-own-adventure book in game form, not an RPG.
The differentiating point between D&D and its wargame/skirmish predecessors was that the role-playing game had the player develop and fight with a single character in place of an entire army/platoon. Choice came into it to some degree, as you could choose to pick a lock or bash in the door, but interactive storytelling was pretty far from Gygax & co's interest.
We really shouldn't rely on tabletop games to define video game terms.
Detroit is not and it having decision making doesn't make it an rpg. Decision making is an aspect of an rpg, but it doesn't make it one. There's clearly a difference if you compare it to something like Dragon Age:Origins where in addition to choices, you can define every aspect of them down to their name, gender, background, race, class, etc.
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Tw3 was an example dude and the discussion are more complex than this
People say "all games are RPGs if Detroit is one" but how about the traditional meaning that an RPG has leveling, skills, crafting, customization etc.? Few games offer as many impactful choices to role-play as Detroit does but virtually any action-adventure game can be called RPG by the stats etc. definition.
The old definition of RPG is no longer meaningful when Dead Rising by all definitions can be called one. That series has stats, leveling, skills, customization, crafting, healing items, upgrades etc. Saying Detroit is an RPG is no worse.
The old definition of RPG is no longer meaningful when Dead Rising by all definitions can be called one. That series has stats, leveling, skills, customization, crafting, healing items, upgrades etc. Saying Detroit is an RPG is no worse.
Well...
Granted that one will inevitably draw ire from 'not true rpg' crowd as well.
I think people just like to associate genres to mechanics, even though its never been the perfect mapping. Until Dawn is every bit the survival horror Silent Hill 2 is(actually more, since survival is never really in question in sh2) but good luck marketting it as such.
I want future Australian Game Awards ceremonies to lean into this and basically be Mega64's GOTY awards where anything goes.
Hold on, at least MHW has a character creator and an inventory screen.
It's kind of split into two genres, but I think most would agree that a WRPG is a game that attempts to create a video game experience resembling D&D (or any other tabletop RPG) while a JRPG is a game that takes more cues from Dragon Quest 1.
As Final Fantasy has next to no decision making in the story or how characters respond to most situations, I declare Final Fantasy does not have primary RPG mechanics and is therefore not an RPG.
RPG's aren't known for having countless endings, that's a visual novel thing, so this question is pretty pointless.