This doesn't sound that far away from what Splinter Cell was doing with it's PvE multiplayer. I'd give it a shot.
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Deus Ex Director Warren Spector says the next logical step for immersive sims is multiplayer - shares their first title “Thick As Thieves”
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I love immersive sim games for many different reasons and one huge one is that they are singleplayer only and this helps those games tremendously
What I don't want a immersive sim game to be is being multiplayer so yeah, I'am not a fan of this future of that genre of games
In my mind, the next step is for them to be open-world because right now they are all basically hub-based ..
And Fallout New Vegas is mostly a RPG with some immersive sim elements and Cyberpunk 2077 has immersive sim style quest, mission and environment like design that offers many playstyles, ways and paths but still is mostly a open-world RPG..
So yeah, give me some story driven open-world immersive sim games like, right now please :)
What I don't want a immersive sim game to be is being multiplayer so yeah, I'am not a fan of this future of that genre of games
In my mind, the next step is for them to be open-world because right now they are all basically hub-based ..
And Fallout New Vegas is mostly a RPG with some immersive sim elements and Cyberpunk 2077 has immersive sim style quest, mission and environment like design that offers many playstyles, ways and paths but still is mostly a open-world RPG..
So yeah, give me some story driven open-world immersive sim games like, right now please :)
Yeah that is what I immediately thought of.
I'm down to try it out. Could be really fun.
Yeah, same. I was expecting something more coop focused.
Which...honestly, would be super dope. Would love to play a coop Deus Ex with my friends.
Uh, that's an Extraction Shooter, not an ImSim.
I mean, it could be good, but it feels like OtherSide is in "Please Investors and keep people on the payroll"-mode now. I mean, I'd imagine Spector would love to be focused on the Art side of things right now, but after System Shock 3 got lolnope'd by every publisher they approached...
I mean, it could be good, but it feels like OtherSide is in "Please Investors and keep people on the payroll"-mode now. I mean, I'd imagine Spector would love to be focused on the Art side of things right now, but after System Shock 3 got lolnope'd by every publisher they approached...
I actually agree.
Game sounds cool. Like invasions in Souls but with more thought put into it besides just lagstabbing people trying to coop.
Game sounds cool. Like invasions in Souls but with more thought put into it besides just lagstabbing people trying to coop.
Very much dead and buried.
Just as this project will be in a matter of time.
They sold their license for it to Tencent when they were unable to secure backing from any other publisher, and then shortly after Tencent booted them off development of it, and presumably Tencent shitcanned everything when it became apparent it couldn't be GaaS'd-Up combined with it being NightDive that actually owned the IP.
I remember one of Tencent's PR accounts going-loud about "We own System Shock now!" only for them to retract the statement when NightDive gave them a gentle tap on the shoulder to inform them of the contrary.
i love that people keep investing in immersive sim games, probably one of the least profitable genres ever made. i love imsims, so more for me
And Thief and Epic Mickey ? I hope Warren Spector doesn't create amazing titles to just allow them to be buried.
I dont think he has a choice. I really doubt Embracer wants to make a new Thief game after cancelling deus ex and Epic Mickey hasnt been a thing for a while.
WAT? The next step for immersive sims is... multiplayer?
What about, open worlds with actual simulations and physics or whatever behind everything like the grass, wind, water, etc? NPCs including animals with their own "AI" routines, etc?
Sounds more like a side step to me.
Their game would sound a lot more interesting to me if they let players pose as one of the myriad NPCs they're talking about, instead of all of them being the "main character". Of course that sounds way too hard to do.
What about, open worlds with actual simulations and physics or whatever behind everything like the grass, wind, water, etc? NPCs including animals with their own "AI" routines, etc?
Sounds more like a side step to me.
Their game would sound a lot more interesting to me if they let players pose as one of the myriad NPCs they're talking about, instead of all of them being the "main character". Of course that sounds way too hard to do.
I'm willing to eat crow, but I 100% believe he won't be able to pull this off properly. It either won't be an immersive sim, or it will be a disaster. I simply don't think he has the funding/time to be able to iterate on this to the point of solving the obvious design choices that will suck the fun out of the game.
The issue with adding multiplayer is that the systems that you create can now be a negative very quickly based on how the other player decides to play. Multiplayer people want to win, and fair-play is rarely part of the equation.
If this was Co-op though... I would be interested again.
The issue with adding multiplayer is that the systems that you create can now be a negative very quickly based on how the other player decides to play. Multiplayer people want to win, and fair-play is rarely part of the equation.
If this was Co-op though... I would be interested again.
If by multiplayer he means something like in Deathloop which was brilliant than sure but if not, no.
Underworld Ascendant was made by OtherSide, it's almost guaranteed to be a disaster tbh.
I hope it's not though; would love more mechanically dense coop games to play with my group.
Don't you see, I'm immersing myself by griefing you until you uninstall the game.
It's immersive.
Seems like it won't be stealing my time.
Look forward to the inevitable clarification that it can OF COURSE also be played as SP.
Look forward to the inevitable clarification that it can OF COURSE also be played as SP.
I agree with him, having a game which is essentially a sandbox of systems in a multiplayer envirnoment sounds awesome. All the interactions sound fun af!
Right?
The fact that so many immersive sims and especially immersive sim RPGs are fun are because you can get deeply engrossed and pardon my pun, "immersed" in them. Add in a multiplayer factor and this could be a very very addictive form of game.
I don't feel owed anything by him and I respect his knowledge/expertise. If he's confident in the idea I'd like to see him try to pull it off. I think this genre especially is fueled by overly ambitious ideas.
Also people looking for imsims there's a lot more to find in the indie space. I'm a big fan of Shadows of Doubt which is early access but still crazy good. Also been meaning to check out Ctrl Alt Ego which I've heard is excellent!
Also people looking for imsims there's a lot more to find in the indie space. I'm a big fan of Shadows of Doubt which is early access but still crazy good. Also been meaning to check out Ctrl Alt Ego which I've heard is excellent!
Is that so wrong? Immersive sims are already kind of a niche genre so even if I had friends who play video games with me on a regular basis (which I don't), none of them would be interested in this anyways, and I sure as hell am not playing with strangers if I need to talk to or interact with them in any meaningful way. I've had enough people yell at me in Overwatch matches to never ever want anything remotely like that again. Plus, imagine sitting there reading some interesting email in a computer terminal while the rest of your party is hitting "skip cutscene" and yelling at you to move the fuck on, like all the co-op mission-based games I've played before. Yeah, sounds like an amazing experience to me!
So yeah, I'm not interested in this at all, and I sincerely hope there are other "next logical steps" for the genre that don't involve this.
This sounds cool. Not surprised to see people rejecting the idea outright. Par for the course, cause it's multiplayer. Not really enough info to understand what kind of structure it will actually have, but overall I am intrigued to learn more.