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DF Retro: Killzone 2 Ten Years On - An Iconic PS3 Tech Showcase
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Motorstorm is actually 2*MSAA.
But as I said earlier, MSAA implementation back in those days were pretty terrible, especially at the onset of 7th gen because of introduction of new lighting techniques.
MSAA itself was an issue on PS3 due to bandwidth issue so for the most part it was absent in most PS3 games or seen in the form of QAA, in cases where Xbox games would have 4*MSAA the PS3 version likely had QAA/2*MSAA. And the alpha jaggies would be present due to the quarter resolution itself. Killzone 2 did a pretty decent job imo, iirc it did some sort of ditherring while rendering at quarter res then applied a gaussian blur to it.
One of the most fascinating ones was Heavenly Sword that had 4*MSAA on and 8*AF on PS3 while having an HDR lighting pass (LogLuv they called it, which was then built and improved upon in Uncharted and God of War games later on). Highly impressive but the game still looked rather jagged, blocky and muddy due to relatively poor assets.
MLAA was such a boon for PS3 last gen, think The Saboteur was the first game it popped up in. Funny enough, surprisingly a lot of people don't know that SMAA is basically enhanced MLAA that works on subpixel details.
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Great video as always, super well made and entertaining. Thanks John.
About the game, I never got around playing the SP but I played a LOT of the MP. I even got into the closed beta and I remember having a huge blast using the super overpowered rocket launcher, no pun intended.
About the game, I never got around playing the SP but I played a LOT of the MP. I even got into the closed beta and I remember having a huge blast using the super overpowered rocket launcher, no pun intended.
Unfortunately Killzone 3 had more transparencies at 1/16 res which doesn't hold up nearly as well. Then you had Gran Turismo 5 have all transparencies at 1/16 res and they turned into horrible distractions anytime they are on screen. A smart idea to render different parts of the scene at different resolutions but eventually it isn't worth the visual trade off..
Yeah, there weren't a lot of AA solutions available back then - much of what we see today simply didn't exist yet. It was usually MSAA or bust.
I dont think KZ will be back for a long time after the success of HZD.
maybe if they farmed it out to some other studio
Even this generation things could be rough near the start. 2016 and especially 2017 onwards feels like when people really started to nail image quality with better forms of TAA and such. Arkham Knight looks incredible but the IQ and maybe facial tech are the two points of weakness.
This game will always hold a special spot for me, This was the first time a game clicked for me with the online multiplayer.
I kinda want to replay the story again, but i lent it to a friend and never got it back. would of loved a remaster on PS4
I kinda want to replay the story again, but i lent it to a friend and never got it back. would of loved a remaster on PS4
One of the worst games I bought TBH, that lag was unforgivable and I remember some people selling it as "realistic". I didn't play it online, maybe that would have changed my opinion.
Always amuses me with Killzone that Joe Dever reused the Helghast name from his Lone Wolf series but changed what they are.
Apparently Sony once sent him a letter asking if he'd stolen the name from an old fantasy series lol
Apparently Sony once sent him a letter asking if he'd stolen the name from an old fantasy series lol
Funny enough I don't remember much of Killzone 3. It was so forgettable. I am surprised to be reminded that Killzone 3 had more alpha heavy scenes because heavy smoke and particles are what I remember Killzone 2 for and I remember being disappointed in Killzone 3 for taking a step back in the area.
I could kiss this paragraph.
I only ever played KZ2 - so I was not missing much there in 3? I remember being disheartened that they reduced motion blur intensity and the near FOV depth of field intensity after they initially showed that ice level at its reveal. The game looked rad there.
Also, who does not love muzzleflash shadows? A game I think everyone should look at if they like the KZ2 feel is honestly metro exodus to a certain extent. Weighty movement, meaty guns and first person animation. It is just not clausterphobic at all like the previous games or KZ2. Well... most of the game at least.
I really think that KZ2 popularised near weapon depth of field when not in iron sights, which is something I love. Crysis 2 had it after KZ2, Metro 2033, Medal of Honor 2010, Wolf: TNO, Far Cry 3 I think, and probably countless other games.
Can't believe they didn't release a 1-3 trilogy remaster yet. They would look great today in 4K HDR. At this point I imagine that 1 would just need a complete remake.
Well most games just used FXAA at the start, I think it wasn't until Infamous Second Son that we started to see a trend of using a temporal element with its SMAAT2x. Although Ryse used SMAAT1x and it was a launch title.
Booted it up last night after watching this. I just can't get on with the controls. It feels muddy and loose. Trying to aim down sights feels like there's a weight dangling on a wire tied to the end of the barrel.
At least with Red Dead (and GTAV) you could adjust the dead zones and aim acceleration. No such luck here though.
At least with Red Dead (and GTAV) you could adjust the dead zones and aim acceleration. No such luck here though.
My issue with Killzone 3 was basically the reduced intensity of motion blur, the less persistent smoke, overabundance of daytime level (I really noticed the LDR lighting due to this), pared back destruction model, and disappointing multiplayer.
Also honestly, I hated Metro Exodus, but due to game design issues than anything else. Presentation wise it's phenomenal and I wish I had an rtx card.
Didnt F.E.A.R also have muzzleflash shadows? At least, as far as I remember, there would be a clone shadow techno dance whenever I got up close with a machine gun and went berserk.
Hell yeah it does. Doom 3 does too if you force the command. Maybe even the OG chronicles of riddick?
I wonder what the first game to have it was now. We have to do more "origin of effects" videos on DF - super fun to search out obscure titles with one little effect.
It's so bizarre that games still don't actively use something that's one of the most distinctive elements of shooting a weapon. So many current gen game don't even have the muzzle flashes as light sources, let alone have them cast shadows.
Ahhh the memories with this game.. still to this date one of the best FPS games I've ever played.
From Original Killzone to this, it was the work of god.
From Original Killzone to this, it was the work of god.
Yeah, Right?
I really also think it subconciously grounds your shooting in the world. Makes it feel less virtual and point and click always.
I adore it so much.
I know I would be down for an "origins of effects" thing.
Seriously. So many of the little things started disappearing from games around that era, for performance reasons I guess. F.E.A.R's sequels never again had the bombastic light shows and particle effects, Crysis after 1 never had the same level of physics/destructibility, and as this video shows, KZ3 just didn't have all those extra flourishes 2 had. It sucks seeing it, games feel just that little extra ..... flat.
Seriously. So many of the little things started disappearing from games around that era, for performance reasons I guess. F.E.A.R's sequels never again had the bombastic light shows and particle effects, Crysis after 1 never had the same level of physics/destructibility, and as this video shows, KZ3 just didn't have all those extra flourishes 2 had. It sucks seeing it, games feel just that little extra ..... flat.
I think it's more due to changes in design direction.
Look at Farcry 2, it has world simulation with growing foliage that you can break, etc but none of that in FC3 and even less in FC4...in FC5 it's completely absent and you can't even break something unless you run over it at which point it just disappears rather than physically breaking. No one goes for simulation anymore, it's why when a game goes for stylised simulation in BoTW it becomes revolutionary (granted it implemented the simulation into the game system itself in an interesting way, but it wasn't the first).
Crysis' destructability is a weird one, I think the latter games were more advanced in its destruction and foliage interaction but it didn't have the shanty houses to destroy. If you remember those shanty houses were the only destructible buildings in the game along with palm trees, they just repeated it over and over. I remember the foliage moving in the wind as a helo approaches in Crysis 3 and the shockwave from explosion affecting everything too.
Oh yeah, Killzone 2 was the reason why I purchased a PS3. I walked into a GameStop and saw the game running there, the graphical effects grabbed my attention and decided to go for a PS3 (had a 360 and Wii up until that point).
Since the PS3 wasn't new by then, I had the change to purchase a lot of great games for very little money (like uncharted 1, Dead Space and many others)
KZ2 was a cool technical showpiece for the time, but besides that I can't say I would replay it again or buy a remaster. Game itself is just ok imo
Since the PS3 wasn't new by then, I had the change to purchase a lot of great games for very little money (like uncharted 1, Dead Space and many others)
KZ2 was a cool technical showpiece for the time, but besides that I can't say I would replay it again or buy a remaster. Game itself is just ok imo
Also God of War 3, a game that almost feels like a first gen ps4 title. It came out nearly 9 years ago.
Bluepoint games should handle a PS4 collection of KZ1 2 and 3. That would be amazing.
Let's not forget the amazing Killzone Mercenaries on Vita. That game is witchcraft compared to some of the games released on it (COUGH RESISTANCE)
Let's not forget the amazing Killzone Mercenaries on Vita. That game is witchcraft compared to some of the games released on it (COUGH RESISTANCE)
And Motorstorm 2 and 3 while you're at it 😀
Kinda hard topping the crap they were spouting and which Bishoptl eventually banned me for(I said there were no Killzone 2 for PS3 assets when they started claiming the trailer was ingame assets but sped up) he came back with concept art(for the cancelled PS2 version at that and banned me) )
I knew you'd comment on the muzzle flash lol. It's true, it really adds so much to the presentation, and it's excellent in Metro.
Sure was cool riding a jeep up and off the hill only to land square on top of one of those shanties and squashing everyone inside :( Pretty sure Crysis 1 also had foliage blowing around heli's and their shockwaves.
This reminds me - when Killzone 3 was revealed they totally released PC version screenshots hehe
This was before they reduced motion blur intensity and near weapon depth of field intensity - which I think happened after the open beta. People like always complaining about that stuff even though they are W R O N G.
Does KZ3 have SSAO? I do not have a PS3 handy at all to check.
This was before they reduced motion blur intensity and near weapon depth of field intensity - which I think happened after the open beta. People like always complaining about that stuff even though they are W R O N G.
Does KZ3 have SSAO? I do not have a PS3 handy at all to check.