Did anyone really expected KH III to ignore the non numbered entries?

[Fj0823]

After the newest trailer showed off a lot of references to KH3D and KH BBS I've seen a small section of comments decrying these inclusions

"Why are they acknowledging all these people I don't give a shit about?"

I mean what did you expect? That the games would simply ignore all the plot developments in those games because you thought they were spinoffs unrelated to the "main games"?

Even Kingdom Hearts II picks up where a non numbered entry left off

And this applies to many other franchises, I find it weird. Why would they spend so much time building stuff up just to ditch it?

 

[Deleted member 1413]

There's a collection with basically all the games out on PS3 and Ps4. They didn't spend a decade building up the story to ditch it. KH2 focuses heavily on the GBA game so it's not like it's new to the franchise.

 

[VeePs]

People think because there's no "number" behind the entry, it's not canon or some bullshit side story.

 

[hank_tree]

People over estimate how much that stuff matters.

 

[Kouriozan]

It's weird to expact that because CoM was clearly a KH1 sequel while 3D majorly move the plot about almost everyone in preparation to KH3.

In fact, only Re:Coded didn't add a whole lot about KH's story

 

[Aesthetic]

In fact, only Re:Coded didn't add a whole lot about KH's story

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True. Even though I was one of the few who actually enjoyed it, it served more of an explainer for the end credits scene of KH2.

 

[Gold Arsene]

People over estimate how much that stuff matters.

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Marluxia literally just showed up again despite not spearing anywhere since Chain of Memories.(Yes I know about the mobile game.)

 

[StuBurns]

I presumed everything in the 1.5/2.5 remasters would matter, why else would they bother?

 

[Deleted member 32561]

Wasn't COM something Nomura hadn't planned on and just decided to make it the story of how Sora ended up in the cocoon thing anyway?

Regardless, they shouldn't call it Kingdom Hearts 3 if it'll be a requirement to play the non-numbered games. However, I'm guessing they'll be able to summarize it like they did the first game and COM in KH2, so people are jumping the gun.

 

[hank_tree]

Marluxia literally just showed up again despite not spearing anywhere since Chain of Memories.(Yes I know about the mobile game.)

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And? I guarantee anyone who plays KH3 will be just fine skipping Chain of Memories.

 

[Strangelove_77]

CoM and BBS are legit sequels. They could have actually carried a number if they wanted them too.

But DDD is something you can read the Wiki about though. Important stuff happens but not a lot of it. It's also not a very good game.

 

[Azuran]

People over estimate how much that stuff matters.

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It certainly matters on an emotional level which is a big thing considering this is a series that loves pulling people's heartstrings. That scene with Vanitas and Sora in the trailers means absolutely nothing to people who didn't play BBS while it was amazing for everyone who did.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Marluxia literally just showed up again despite not spearing anywhere since Chain of Memories.(Yes I know about the mobile game.)

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Sora, Donald and Goofy do not know who he is, so it doesn't really matter. If you played CoM, you get the added benefit of that history, but if you only played KH2, that's fine too.

 

[MegaBeefBowl]

I only played the numbered entries because I wasn't invested in that story enough to play the mobile games.

If KH3 plays heavily on the events of those games, then I'm not gonna bother picking up the game since I would just be lost.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The fact that there's precedent for a bad story telling thing is not a good justification for it.

Like 1/6 of people who will buy KH3 will have played BBS or DDD and they're going to be really confused by the story.

 

[take_marsh]

KH3 definitely can't just write off non-numbered entries into the series. Everything is so insanely interwoven.

I haven't played through a single entry all the way, but I can tell there is no "spin-offs" in Kindom Hearts. Each entry adds more to the plot or background, but also seems to create more plot issues which then need to be addressed in a future entry.

 

[hank_tree]

It certainly matters on an emotional level which is a big thing considering this is a series that loves pulling people's heartstrings. That scene with Vanitas and Sora in the trailers means absolutely nothing to people who didn't play BBS while it was amazing for everyone who did.

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Sure. I didn't say it was meaningless. Just less important than people tend to claim here and elsewhere in the internet.

 

[Kucan]

I presumed everything in the 1.5/2.5 remasters would matter, why else would they bother?

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Don't forget 2.8 and the mobile game (which they've just announced will be linked to KH3)

In fairness, a lot of people arn't going to go through 100's of hours of gameplay to cover the whole plot. KH3 should really come with an in-menu recap system, like DDD did. Especially since KH3 is still coming to the Xbox One.

 

[WrenchNinja]

It certainly matters on an emotional level which is a big thing considering this is a series that loves pulling people's heartstrings. That scene with Vanitas and Sora in the trailers means absolutely nothing to people who didn't play BBS while it was amazing for everyone who did.

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You are correct. For the people whose last game played was KH2, they will feel confused, but I think that is acceptable since Sora is also confused within the scene after saying Vanitas's name.

 

[Puffy]

It is what it is. I don't know why anyone would defend it like it isn't convoluted as fuck but it is what it is.

 

[Gold Arsene]

Sora, Donald and Goofy do not know who he is, so it doesn't really matter. If you played CoM, you get the added benefit of that history, but if you only played KH2, that's fine too.

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Except Riku remembers everything and it's even implied that the Riku Replica might return as well.

And? I guarantee anyone who plays KH3 will be just fine skipping Chain of Memories.

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You really don't think they might be just slightly curious where half of these people are coming from?

Why that one guy looks like an evil Sora, why are there two Roxas', or how half the Orginization is even alive and not evil anymore?

 

[WrenchNinja]

Except Riku remembers everything and it's even implied that the Riku Replica might return as well.

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We're not going to be following Riku all game, so I don't think this is a big deal.

You really don't think they might be just slightly curious where half of these people are coming from?

Why that one guy looks like an evil Sora, why are there two Roxas', or how half the Orginization is even alive and not evil anymore?

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They'll be as curious as Sora is, and they will get an explanation just like Sora

 

[Deleted member 4609]

The fact that there's precedent for a bad story telling thing is not a good justification for it.

Like 1/6 of people who will buy KH3 will have played BBS or DDD and they're going to be really confused by the story.

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So if they renamed KH3 to KH6 would it suddenly stop being a bad story telling thing? These games have never been marketed as spin-offs and they've made quite an effort to have them available on the most relevant modern platforms to the release of KH3 (lol XBO though). Not exactly their fault that people have dumb prejudices about sequels, though releasing them on such an absurd array of platforms originally is.

 

[Deleted member 5535]

The fact that people with that kind of opinion still exists after all of those years is crazy, It's pretty known right now that there's no spin-off in the series and the only difference between the numbered ones and the others is that the numbered get number because they are on consoles and the others get subtitles because they are in handheld

The fact that there's precedent for a bad story telling thing is not a good justification for it.

Like 1/6 of people who will buy KH3 will have played BBS or DDD and they're going to be really confused by the story.

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I played all the games and I understand plenty well the story. It's really simple to comprehend the basics of it and even the most advanced part.

 

[AwShucks]

DDD is something you can read the Wiki about though. Important stuff happens but not a lot of it. It's also not a very good game.

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I've seen this a few times today and I'm sort of glad. I could not get into DDD despite TWEWY being my favorite game in the last 12 years and also loving Tron. It remains with Recoded as the only non mobile KH games I've not beat.

 

[Bomblord]

If you're asking why people wanted/thought that it's because the story is a cluster-f if you include them all.

 

[R.T Straker]

I'm legit don't know what to expect from the story of KH3.

I've only played 1, 2 and Birth By Sleep(and 2.8) each of them at release time. I've heard that the bigger picture is a mess but I just hope they don't overcomplicate things too much.

 

[Deleted member 5535]

If you're asking why people wanted/thought that it's because the story is a cluster-f if you include them all.

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The story always included them, including in KH3. There's 0 reason for it not appearing in 3. If you guys think like that, you need some common sense since this is being build for years now.

 

[Rychu]

And? I guarantee anyone who plays KH3 will be just fine skipping Chain of Memories.

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Going to assume you haven't seen the new theme song trailer? Riku has to let go of his keyblade but says "the other me" might need it. That heavily implies Riku Replica is going to be a big part of the game.

 

[Vault]

i wouldn't mind if the handheld games weren't so poor, the HD collection just shows how bare bones they are compared to the main 2

 

[Azuran]

Sure. I didn't say it was meaningless. Just less important than people tend to claim here and elsewhere in the internet.

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The story has never been that important because it's not like the actual games are complex. People can easily read a story summary for BBS or 3D and get caught it and be fine. The problem comes for the fact that text doesn't provide any emotional attachment towards characters and scenarios which is why people recommend to play every game or at least watch the cut scenes movies if you really want to get the most out of KH3.

 

[Aadiboy]

DDD is the direct lead-in to KH3 and very important to the story. If you're not going to play it, you should at least watch a movie version on youtube.

 

[RichieMythic]

I only played the numbered entries because I wasn't invested in that story enough to play the mobile games.

If KH3 plays heavily on the events of those games, then I'm not gonna bother picking up the game since I would just be lost.

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Yeah, I was thrown for a bit of a loop with Kingdom Hearts 2 but managed to just about it understand it by the end. If they pull the same thing with KH3 though I'll give it a miss, I don't have the time or will to sift through mobile games to understand the plot of what is ostensibly supposed to be a "1-2-3" series.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Having never played any but the mainline games, I'm replaying the series right now and watching the trailers i have no clue what the hell is going on

At this point, this shit doesnt matter to me...its Final Fantasy x Disney
It still boggles my mind and i'm grateful this is still a series

 

[Mediking]

When it comes to KH... I just keep it at a simple thing. Lol the story gets really complicated so I just try to keep it SIMPLE

 

[Azuran]

Yeah, I was thrown for a bit of a loop with Kingdom Hearts 2 but managed to just about it understand it by the end. If they pull the same thing with KH3 though I'll give it a miss, I don't have the time or will to sift through mobile games to understand the plot of what is ostensibly supposed to be a "1-2-3" series.

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It's never been a 1-2-3 series.

KH3 is actually Kingdom Hearts 10

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

So if they renamed KH3 to KH6 would it suddenly stop being a bad story telling thing? These games have never been marketed as spin-offs and they've made quite an effort to have them available on the most relevant modern platforms to the release of KH3 (lol XBO though). Not exactly their fault that people have dumb prejudices about sequels, though releasing them on such an absurd array of platforms originally is.

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The entire problem was all the platforms. Collection remakes never sell as much as original games and BBS was sold on the PSP when software sales on PSP had fallen off a cliff outside of Japan. Not many people are going to have any idea of what happened in BBS because few people bought it.

It would be like Avengers 6 being based heavily on a 2015 Hulu exclusive movie.

 

[Rychu]

I'm legit don't know what to expect from the story of KH3.

I've only played 1, 2 and Birth By Sleep(and 2.8) each of them at release time. I've heard that the bigger picture is a mess but I just hope they don't overcomplicate things too much.

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Watch the new D23 trailers, both Monsters Inc and the theme song trailer. They give a better picture of what we can expect the story to be like.

Nomura also said it will tie up everything in 1.5 + 2.5 and 2.8 and every character will get a conclusion, no loose ends, no plot holes, no cliffhangers.

 

[Fj0823]

It's never been a 1-2-3 series.

KH3 is actually KH10.

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Yep KH2 is the real KH3

Plus with one exception, they're not "Mobile Games" all the games are on console.

 

[Bomblord]

The story always included them, including in KH3. There's 0 reason for it not appearing in 3. If you guys think like that, you need some common sense since this is being build for years now.

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Well I would ask that you hold off on the "you guys need some common sense" angry thing. The story really is a confusing mess (even if you have played the games in question) regardless of how long it's been in the works. Considering if you only played the numbered games you would need 160 hours+ of external content and an additional guide to explain it all that can be a bit intimidating. At least for me I'm not upset they're including it but I think it would have been better off had they not have and was holding out a tiny bit of hope that they wouldn't.

 

[Neufr0]

Yeah the important part of 3D's story is nearly at the end. You can just spoil yourself everything on wikipedia.
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That time travel bullshit tho

 

[Vault]

The thing is this game has to be accessible for newcomers if its a confusing mess its not gonna sell that well

 

[Napalm_Frank]

At the end of the day you can jump into KH3 even if you only played the numbered titles. Of course you will be missing out on a bunch of stuff but 1) they most certainly will have some sort of summaries for people who want to read them (DDD and 0.2 both had that type of thing, KH3 certainly will with a ton of people jumping in) and 2) it's not exactly GRRM tier of character depth. It's obvious who the clear good guys and bad guys are and you can take it as it comes.

 

[SilverX]

The fans are responsible to a large degree. I can't even begin to describe the amount of "You dont really need to play that game" that is said for some very important games in the series.

 

[Rychu]

The thing is this game has to be accessible for newcomers if its a confusing mess its not gonna sell that well

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You underestimate the fanbase. It's going to be one of the top sellers of the holiday season, I guarantee it. They released 1.5 + 2.5 and 2.8 for the purpose of catching up on the story before KH3.

 

[Deleted member 5535]

The thing is this game has to be accessible for newcomers if its a confusing mess its not gonna sell that well

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People will only know if it's a confusing mess or not if they buy it, which will count for the sales. KH3 is absolutely going to surpass the past ones in console because of Disney and Pixar appeal along KH hardcore fans and old fans that played only the first and second.

 

[R.T Straker]

Watch the new D23 trailers, both Monsters Inc and the theme song trailer. They give a better picture of what we can expect the story to be like.

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I watched both of them and it seems okay for the most part

I have no idea who the dude with the pink hair from organisation 13 is tho.

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and neither does Sora

 

[Aadiboy]

I love it when game series have a full-blown continuous story without feeling the need to start every new game with a clean slate. I feel like that is really rare in games, because a sequel has to always account for new players. But series like KH and MGS are just like "Fuck you, play every game!" and I love it. Especially now that every KH game is on one console there is no excuse.

 

[Rychu]

I watched both of them and it seems okay for the most part

I have no idea who the dude with the pink hair from organisation 13 is tho.

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He's from Chain of Memories, Marluxia. He was the mastermind of the organization before we learned who Xemnas was. He was one of the first few organization members killed but basically:

He forced Naminè to rewrite Sora's memories (or said he would force her to be locked away lonely with no one) and made a fake evil clone of Riku named Riku Replica. They've been hinting at Marluxia returning for quite some time, behind Axel he was one of the fan's favorite organization members. In the D23 trailer, Riku says "The other me" and that might be strongly hinting at Riku Replica making a return.

Sora doesn't remember Marluxia because Naminè erased his memories from Castle Oblivion. But they've hinted that somehow he could get those memories back because they're still inside his heart or something.

 

[Meows]

I just feel bad for the poor Xbox One players. At least everyone who has the PS4 has an option to play all the games. Tbh, though, aside from Dream Drop Distance messing things up I really wouldn't say the series was THAT convoluted. A little, sure, but easily enough to understand after a paragraph or two.