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Digital Foundry: Dead or Alive 6 Tech Analysis: PS4/Pro/Xbox One/X/PC - Every Version Tested!
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Another game on X1 base that is just dreadful.
I wonder if the ESRAM + ddr3 is the huge problem here, as the discrepency in shading power makes you think X1 would be fine with dyanmic res.
I wonder if the ESRAM + ddr3 is the huge problem here, as the discrepency in shading power makes you think X1 would be fine with dyanmic res.
Perhaps they're designing their Xbox port around X now as the lead. Which unfortunately makes it tricky when it comes to the S due to the different memory architecture.
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TL;DW. The video has a lot of neat stuff not mentioned here, so do definitely give it a watch.
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Great video as always, John :)
I run the game like a dream at 1080p/60fps, with slight drops (58 fps) during character intros with a i5 8400, 16GB RAM, and a GTX 1060 6GB
I run the game like a dream at 1080p/60fps, with slight drops (58 fps) during character intros with a i5 8400, 16GB RAM, and a GTX 1060 6GB
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Excellent video. 1 question.
The video mentions Pro gets enhanced AA and Shading in the Quality mode. Is it better than what the X version uses as standard ?
We're reaching the point of asking 60€ for games that barely work on base Xbox One.
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is standard for DX12 games right ?
He has a good point though, the game will age quite well going into next gen if they have BC.
I personally think both base consoles are in an unacceptable state for a fighting game, but the base Xbox One is just a disaster. I bet some of the story exclusive levels tank the visuals even worse too judging from how much they impacted my computer's performance.
I personally think both base consoles are in an unacceptable state for a fighting game, but the base Xbox One is just a disaster. I bet some of the story exclusive levels tank the visuals even worse too judging from how much they impacted my computer's performance.
On the topic of visual improvements from DOA5 to DOA6, I made these direct comparisons of Rig's character model in the returning stage "Sweat". Directly compared, and nost just going by memory of how the game looked (especially when its the memory of the already improved PS4 port of DOA5), there are very significant improvements:
Characters are also so much more expressive during fights now.
Characters are also so much more expressive during fights now.
Man that is depressing, surely the devs can do better than this ?
3D Fighting games and their engines have not been all that great this gen. Struggling to hit even 1080p on base machines, struggling to hit 60fps or a weird inbetween where nether performance or visuals are perfect on the mid gen machines.
3D Fighting games and their engines have not been all that great this gen. Struggling to hit even 1080p on base machines, struggling to hit 60fps or a weird inbetween where nether performance or visuals are perfect on the mid gen machines.
On the topic of visual improvements from DOA5 to DOA6, I made these direct comparisons of Rig's character model in the returning stage "Sweat". Directly compared, and nost just going by memory of how the game looked (especially when its the memory of the already improved PS4 port of DOA5), there are very significant improvements:
Characters are also so much more expressive during fights now.
That looks indeed like a good improvement, although I always though that the dudes weren't as detailed in 5. I remember 5 having skin pores and such more detailed than in 6 (may be wrong here).
Also, 6 may have some kind of yellow hue but 5 had red burnt skin lol
Looks like a pretty poorly optimised game in general. The Xbox One S version is absolutely shameful (like, Bayonetta PS3 bad), while the 4K mode on Xbox One X is basically unusable.
PS4 Pro and base are ok, but still far from anything impressive.
PC probably doesn't run all that well outside of stupidly high-end and expensive setups as well I'm guessing.
Poor show all round.
If that were the case, you'd expect better performance from XboneX. 1080p 60FPS/4K 30FPS is still woeful for a fighting game...
PS4 Pro and base are ok, but still far from anything impressive.
PC probably doesn't run all that well outside of stupidly high-end and expensive setups as well I'm guessing.
Poor show all round.
If that were the case, you'd expect better performance from XboneX. 1080p 60FPS/4K 30FPS is still woeful for a fighting game...
I'm almost wondering, and it's probably wrong, if it's not even Pro enhanced. Perhaps there is dynamic res that rarely if ever appears on PS4 base? So both modes just run at 1080p on Pro. The lack of 4K HUD, for instance, surprised me.
Probably nonsense, though.
What do you mean by this? That the improvement for both AA and shaders happen to be the same for the base PS4 version between performance and quality as well?
Yeah, that's true. It's just that the difference is so insanely small that I almost wondered if I was seeing things or if it was tied to res. Like I said, probably nonsense. It just doesn't feel properly Pro enhanced when playing.
There must be a Pro enhancement or performance mode on PS4 Pro would also be 900p like performance mode is on base PS4, right?
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Unless there's a dynamic resolution toggle and the Pro's specs allow it to always remain at the top end of it ( Maybe that's thinking too much lol )
Probably right. I was theoretically thinking there is dynamic res that doesn't trigger in performance mode on a base but does so on Pro.
that should be testable with boost mode right? Pro cant brute force a non-Pro enhanced without boost mode.
Yeah, both games have kinda unaesthetic lighting. One is dark, dull and reddish, the other one is overly bright and has a noticable yellow hue.
Here's by the way another direct comparison of Ryu's hand in his default ninja suits:
Character models were definitely improved. One has to zoom in a little to fully appreciate it. ;)
I skipped DOA6
I cannot support mediocrity. This is DOA5 Remix..and prob even worst.
I am glad many voted with their wallets as well.
I cannot support mediocrity. This is DOA5 Remix..and prob even worst.
I am glad many voted with their wallets as well.
Makes sense. I haven't seen the video yet nor have I played the game, but I assume that by doing those comparisons for a living can make you over-analyse some of it sometimes, like chasing a ghost or something :)
Thanks for the analysis! I will definitely watch it later tonight!
A bit disappointed that they could not get the 1X running smoothly. the 1080p60 is nice but they surely could have pushed to 1440 or just added more graphical options for the 180p mode. Even with that nice 4k mode, you're at a disadvantage if you play people at 1080 60.
Expected more out of a DOA game. Ho hum, back to SC6 for now then.
Expected more out of a DOA game. Ho hum, back to SC6 for now then.
Just watched the video, lots of details and info as usual! What a shame about the X1 version.
Just a few bits though:
- The loading time bit is a bit weird. It's obviously the slowest in the series, but still faster than games like Tekken and Soul Calibur (or most fighting games this gen to be honest). Would have been interesting to see a comparison about this, as adding a VS screen doesn't really solve the issue.
- Speaking of Soul Calibur, while costume materials indeed look better in this one than in DOA, in no world does Soul Calibur 6 look more impressive globally than DOA6 (or any fighting game this gen), that was a weird nitpick.
- For the usual season pass critic: yeah it might seem like a bad deal. It's still cheaper per costume than any fighting game on the market, and you can buy anything individually if needed (still for cheaper than any other fighting game). And you can ignore it too, as said in the video.
Anyway, really hoping that TN keeps patching it over the next few months, especially the input delay that they will hopefully fix sooner than later, just like SFV and Tekken 7 had to be updated on that side.
Really cool footage of DOA2 at the end too! I'd love a DF Retro on the series, DOA2 Ultimate (the Xbox version) still looks amazing to this day, and other games in the series were really impressive.
Just a few bits though:
- The loading time bit is a bit weird. It's obviously the slowest in the series, but still faster than games like Tekken and Soul Calibur (or most fighting games this gen to be honest). Would have been interesting to see a comparison about this, as adding a VS screen doesn't really solve the issue.
- Speaking of Soul Calibur, while costume materials indeed look better in this one than in DOA, in no world does Soul Calibur 6 look more impressive globally than DOA6 (or any fighting game this gen), that was a weird nitpick.
- For the usual season pass critic: yeah it might seem like a bad deal. It's still cheaper per costume than any fighting game on the market, and you can buy anything individually if needed (still for cheaper than any other fighting game). And you can ignore it too, as said in the video.
Anyway, really hoping that TN keeps patching it over the next few months, especially the input delay that they will hopefully fix sooner than later, just like SFV and Tekken 7 had to be updated on that side.
Really cool footage of DOA2 at the end too! I'd love a DF Retro on the series, DOA2 Ultimate (the Xbox version) still looks amazing to this day, and other games in the series were really impressive.
I hope they patch the full screen issue on PC. Everytime I launch it in "full screen" the resolution isn't scaled correctly (evident in small black borders on screen shots) so I have to go in settings and switch to borderless and then back to full screen, because 1. That'll fix it and 2. Borderless crushes the colors for some reason.
Also, as a long time DOA player, why is everyone freaking out about the season pass price now? There were SEVEN of these for the last game, lol.
Also, as a long time DOA player, why is everyone freaking out about the season pass price now? There were SEVEN of these for the last game, lol.
Yeah, both games have kinda unaesthetic lighting. One is dark, dull and reddish, the other one is overly bright and has a noticable yellow hue.
Here's by the way another direct comparison of Ryu's hand in his default ninja suits:
Character models were definitely improved. One has to zoom in a little to fully appreciate it. ;)
Yeah models looks like the biggest improvement although it's also the less noticeable think, seems seems to be done from scratch instead o5 improved from 5 (faces are totally from 5 but probably higher poly too)
Really? I loaded up SC6 right after DOA6 and it was like jumping to next-gen. I feel like it looks SIGNIFICANTLY better overall even though DOA6 also still looks great in its own right.
It's of lower quality in terms of model quality, environment quality, loading times (on console at least), resolution... It looks like a closer jump from SC5/LS in many ways.
But it has indeed better materials, input latency, lighting (which really doesn't help DOA's look).
edit: not saying it's a bad game or looks bad to clarify, just that I have a hard time seeing how it'd look better than any other fighting game in 3D this gen (DOA6, SFV, T7, KI, GG). Well, it looks better than KOF XIV, but...
DOA6 looks much better than SC6 imo but I never really liked the visuals of SC6. I always hated the blurry backgrounds.
Overall it's my favorite 3D fighting game this gen and my favorite DOA yet. Even the music is great. Graphics mode should run fine on Xbox Two.
Overall it's my favorite 3D fighting game this gen and my favorite DOA yet. Even the music is great. Graphics mode should run fine on Xbox Two.
My guess the reason they included the 4k Native for Xbox One X is to future prrof it for the next Xbox. Technically the next Xbox should run it at 60fps with no issues and no further patching required.
Love to heart Darkx and Digital Foundry thought about this.
Love to heart Darkx and Digital Foundry thought about this.
Hmm, interesting. I've only played SC6 on PC myself but I thought it looked insanely good. DOA6 has a very last-gen+ look to it in comparison which is kind of neat in its own way. I honestly feel like SC6 is the best looking 3D fighter out there right now. It's pretty much tailor made for my tastes in visuals.
So basically premium console are almost ignored. ...I mean 4k with unstable fps on the X or 1080p for all. Well at least on the X they tried something. Pro is almost ignored like the other recent rally car game. Sony should push more developers to achieve as minimum higher CBR res on the Pro via toolkit. Their uninterested attitude with such stuff is annoying as hell as pro owner. But with the ps5 so close, they will care even less.
Yes, even though they reused the exact same look for many characters from 5 they still pumped more polygons in them for a more rounded look:
More polygons are making the profile (especially the chin) rounder:
The hair (the two weird buns) got significantly more polygons as well:
Since Soul Calibur 6 was mentioned in here, that game did not improve the base models of any of the characters from SC4 or SC5. They have the same low polygon faces, hands, feet etc.