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[Digital Foundry] Death Stranding: PS4 vs PS4 Pro Performance + Day One Patch Testing
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Played about an hour and a half so far and it was difficult to tell what was pre-rendered CG, what was in-engine cutscene and just in-engine. Not even sure if things are pre-rendered at all? Game is visually amazing, draw distances are insane. Can't wait to hop back in today.
in john's first video he did mention stutters in the cut scenes.
Article is up as well:
I'll have to read the whole article later, but the first few sentences told me exactly what I wanted to know. Base PS4 is 1080p, 30fps and appears to be mostly on-par with the PS4 Pro version besides the resolution difference. Thank the gods!
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Why is there no native supersampling? :( There is no reason not to include it. Playstation Blog even stated the game would:
"Using PS4 Pro, 4K TV owners can enjoy an enhanced Death Stranding experience with dynamic 4K resolution achieved through 4K checkerboard, while HD TV owners will benefit from increased image clarity through supersampling."
The system supersampling is not of the same quality as game-implemented supersampling.
"Using PS4 Pro, 4K TV owners can enjoy an enhanced Death Stranding experience with dynamic 4K resolution achieved through 4K checkerboard, while HD TV owners will benefit from increased image clarity through supersampling."
The system supersampling is not of the same quality as game-implemented supersampling.
I don't know why the 4x speed up made me laugh.
Base PS4 has a 4K mode? What? Can't watch the video at the moment. Edit: Sorry I completely misread that. I understand it now.
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The 1080p mode does end up removing any of the drops in the cut-scenes and Norman's room segments.
So it does serve a purpose.
Few snippets from their article.
- Death Stranding operates at 1080p on the vanilla PS4, rising to a checkerboarded 2160p on the Pro.
- Everything else about the game's visual make-up is a lock between both systems, meaning that the entire Death Stranding experience is effectively feature-complete on vanilla hardware.
- By and large, both versions of the game run at 30 frames per second and where there are some dips, they seem to play out in much the same way. In fact, in very, very limited scenes, you may even see the standard PS4 marginally outperform the Pro.
- It's still the case that performance drops - such as they are - are limited mostly to non-interactive engine-driven cutscenes, while our tests so far have offered up pretty much rock-solid in-game performance, to the point where we've run performance analysis software in the background during much of our playthrough of the entire game. The end result? Finding deviation from the target frame-rate is very, very challenging indeed. It seems that there is a slight bias more towards visual fidelity in cutscenes vs consistency in performance - but overall, there's very little to criticise here.
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Base PS4 has better performance in that mirror segment compared to PS4 Pro running in 2160p mode.
But PS4 Pro running in 1080p mode has no performance drops at all.
This engine is just incredible.
IIRC it wasn't Kojima who said that, it was just a rumour by someone else. Could be wrong though, it's been a while.
IIRC it wasn't Kojima who said that, it was just a rumour by someone else. Could be wrong though, it's been a while.
Man I really don't know whether I want to get a PS4 Pro for this game. The game on my 48 inch 1080p TV looks amazing but I'm soon going to be upgrading to a 55 inch 4K OLED and I don't want to feel like I'm missing out.
I suppose a good question would be whether anyone who played Horizon: Zero Dawn before and after the Pro came out noticed that big of a difference? It's in the same engine with much the same resolution so it likely won't be much different to DS.
I suppose a good question would be whether anyone who played Horizon: Zero Dawn before and after the Pro came out noticed that big of a difference? It's in the same engine with much the same resolution so it likely won't be much different to DS.
Those are negligible improvements in some rare scenes and DF themselves said they still prefer the higher resolution option.
i played Ratchet, BF1 and Titanfall on my 1080p tv before buying a 4k tv for the pro and despite the supersampling producing amazing picture quality on 1080p screens, going to 4k is like a come to jesus moment. you simply notice more detail. everything is extrapolated. my 1080p tv's screen size was 55 inches, same as my 4k TV, and yet i had no idea i was missing out on so much detail in games.
what you are not getting is new graphics features, the game will look the same. you simply see more of it. think of 1080p like looking through a dusty window. the real world graphics outside your house look the same, but when you clean the window you simply see more.
there are plenty of pro games with 1080p 60 fps versions and let me tell you, in 4k or even 1440p, you notice grass textures, foliage details and distant buildings in such clarity that its hard to go back to 1080p versions just for 60 fps. SOTC has amazing grass in 1440p but in 1080p you dont see the grains anymore.
despite all that, its too late to buy a pro imo.
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I can only find rumor articles on quick google searches.
^ Based on the above, looks like there was some confusion that Decima was a variant of the Sucker Punch engine. I don't know how accurate that is.
Yeah I don't think that's right, GG and SP engines should have nothing to do with each other afaik. There's some confusion going on in that article.
I just checked and the 1st trailer being made with SP engine thing was started by YongYea, not Kojima.
From what I remember the only thing Kojima said about this was that he was trying to decide between two engines at the start, ending up with GG Decima. The way GG presented their engine to him also had a lot of impact on his decision.
I played through Horizon on Pro in 1080P (so supersampling) and SDR and it looked fantastic. I've since revisited it w/4K HDR and it looks fantastic just in more/different ways. It will certainly be better with that setup but I really don't think you can go wrong with base PS4 still, especially for prime Sony exclusives like Spider-Man, God of War, or Death Stranding. Save the money for PS5 which will really take advantage of your OLED.
Thank you richard for reminding people who come in to this thread this game runs on a customized radeon 7850, which had anyone suggested in 2013 this game would be running on that would've been laughed at.
Efficiency and talent are true king in this industry no matter how much more power we gain the best simply are those taking what they got and making the most with it. Always love the details in the vids.
Efficiency and talent are true king in this industry no matter how much more power we gain the best simply are those taking what they got and making the most with it. Always love the details in the vids.
Jesus this game is a looker. Some of the environments look photorealistic at times and the character models look real.
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I know .. it's frankly insane what developers are able to pull off on that archaic level of hardware. Even on the base XB One, which often gets the most compromised version of games .. it's pretty remarkable.
Replay it on PS5. Assuming you get one, that way you don't have to worry about spending even more extra money on hardware that will be obsolete in a year. The PS5 will either have its own upgrade patch or, at worst, use the PS4 Pro's settings.
Are you upgrading to this new TV right away (as in within holiday season)?
The funny thing to me is when the first teaser dropped people legit thought that it was prerendered and not running in an engine. "No way would the game look this good" is something a lot of people were saying. I remember getting into arguments on the old site, zooming deep into Norman's hair to show that the shadows and aliasing were not prerendered quality.
Now the game is here and it looks ten times better than the original teaser. Crazy how far we've jumped this gen.
Now the game is here and it looks ten times better than the original teaser. Crazy how far we've jumped this gen.
I beat Horizon Zero Dawn on a standard PS4, but using a 4k TV. Got a PS4 Pro later but never really had the chance to revisit Horizon aside from some quick tests here and there. The resolution bump is appreciated, but I guess it depends on how well you are able to spot the differences. Horizon already looked amazing even in 1080p, especially when I was already able to play it in HDR as well.
So glad they went for graphical equality between the base and pro....I thought Kojima might want to push the pro version further.
Game is installed,gonna start it up later tonight.
Game is installed,gonna start it up later tonight.
They're probably saving any significant graphical additions for the PS5 version or patch.
Horizon was way better on a 4k oled.
HDR was the best bit about it. The best implementation I've seen in a game this week probably be the same implementation
HDR is supposed to be best in class for Death Stranding as well. This alone is one reason Im interested, lol! However Im going for Fallen Order first and
saving Death Stranding for January.
saving Death Stranding for January.
Me as well.
It's fascinating. The article goes back to look at past renders in DS trailers and notes how similar the initial reveal and later reveals in 2017 are to the final product, almost as if Decima had been used throughout.
Given that HZD came out at the end of February 2017 and the first Decima-confirmed media of DS came out in December of 2017, it seems clear that first-party had fully unlocked the potential of the hardware of this gen around that time. Lost Legacy demonstrates this as well, and puts TLOUII on track to be feature complete on this heading into a next generation.
Further, looking at third-party titles released in 2017 (Battlefront II, AC Origins, COD WWII, etc.) it seems that this was the time that third-party had unlocked the potential of the hardware of this gen as well.
The games that seemed to strain the most this gen on base hardware were open-world systems-heavy (BOTW, RDR2, FFXV, AC Odyssey, and unfortunately Just Cause 3) so hopefully even a modest CPU boost next gen will relieve this strain and allow the presentations to soar.
I'd been assuming the opening was pre rendered because I'd seen some stills from the very start, but those were actual stills in the game too, either prerendered or photographs, not sure lol.
Revisiting one of the DF videos I was watching - John said that the game "at times looks borderline pre-rendered, even though nearly everything is 100% real time" - so maybe that one is pre-rendered. I didn't see the whole thing as to not get spoiled.
Wow, thanks for all the answers!
Thanks for the impressions! Yeah, Sony's exclusives are the best when it comes to having a good base PS4 version (and TLoU:P2 seems like it's being developed for the Base in mind) but AegonSnake's impressions definitely makes me want to see what those kinds of games would look like on the new TV at the highest resolutions possible. I suppose I could buy the TV, play around with games like Forza Horizon 4 on my XB1X to compare 1080p and 4K directly, and then go from there.
Thing is I'm much more sure of my financial situation now than next year's financial situation, and if it's true that the PS5 is fully backwards compatible then I can easily trade that in towards it and get a PS5 for much less than new. Similarly there's bundles with DS and CoD:MW for normal retail price (£349.99) so if I get those I can get a good £150 at least shaved off the price by trading in the game and my Slim (after transferring P.T. over, of course).
Yeah, I should be getting it in the next few weeks (if not next week). And I don't particularly see myself replaying it so whilst you are right in that the Pro's going to be obsolete I'm leaning towards it.
HDR definitely seems like the biggest bump, especially as I'll be going from a relatively cheap Sony that has colour banding and vertical banding issues to a top-of-the-line OLED.
Thanks for the impressions! Yeah, Sony's exclusives are the best when it comes to having a good base PS4 version (and TLoU:P2 seems like it's being developed for the Base in mind) but AegonSnake's impressions definitely makes me want to see what those kinds of games would look like on the new TV at the highest resolutions possible. I suppose I could buy the TV, play around with games like Forza Horizon 4 on my XB1X to compare 1080p and 4K directly, and then go from there.
Thing is I'm much more sure of my financial situation now than next year's financial situation, and if it's true that the PS5 is fully backwards compatible then I can easily trade that in towards it and get a PS5 for much less than new. Similarly there's bundles with DS and CoD:MW for normal retail price (£349.99) so if I get those I can get a good £150 at least shaved off the price by trading in the game and my Slim (after transferring P.T. over, of course).
Yeah, I should be getting it in the next few weeks (if not next week). And I don't particularly see myself replaying it so whilst you are right in that the Pro's going to be obsolete I'm leaning towards it.
HDR definitely seems like the biggest bump, especially as I'll be going from a relatively cheap Sony that has colour banding and vertical banding issues to a top-of-the-line OLED.
HDR is definitely the biggest improvement.
4k is nice but where near as big a difference as hdr. Especially on an oled