Considering AMD is designing it for Sony using AMD IPs, no doubt with Sony input, it says AMD knows how to make the hardware. Sony is responsible for their own software platform, but they aren't doing it without input from AMD. It is a collaborative effort.
Well for one, AMD will take ages to release it and due to their insistence on trying to phase out DLSS and XeSS, AMD made FSR non upgradable by the user. So after release, we will then have to wait for devs to implement it which will take even more time.
The point is, Sony was the one who came up with PSSR. Its likely they had a hand in the AI model being used in the technologies. Same with ray tracing. AMD is just a contractor here. The fact that even Sony was unhappy with FSR and devoted their own resources to develop PSSR says a lot.
Its not as simple if the devs have to implement it. When we mod DLSS / XESS newer versions into older games, there could be potential issues but modders don't have to worry about QC. If devs have to do it, they will need to perform QC checks on the whole game which takes months.
Except don't make them proprietary, please. I don't want red nVidia (or blue nVidia, for that matter).
While Sony is responsible for their own software and development platforms, SDK, features etc, AMD is not just a contractor, they design the hardware and provide Sony with support in developing drivers and software necessary to make the hardware work. Any look into their documentation would show you AMD is involved beyond just designing the hardware.
Where does it say Sony was unhappy with FSR? Sony has always created their own technologies and been doing cutting edge research for new technologies; they were heavily involved in pushing the adoption of checkerboard rendering last gen. Their studios have created and implemented various temporal upscaling techniques. AI is very good with image upscaling so it makes sense that Sony would try and adopt it by creating their own for their development platform.
Collaboration is a good thing. That is what opensource is meant to encourage and Sony is a big supporter of open source and PS5 is built on opensource software.
I'd assume by having more money for R&D, AMD gave up on that for their GPUS when they went all on on zen I think.
Is there a way to check if a game has anti-cheat? The PCGaming Wiki?
Always has been behind.
We really don't know who's stepped into what for PS5Pro h/w just yet.
That would involve NVIDIA letting anyone else into their black box.
I though tensor cores were open? in fact im prity sure anyone can write software that uses them.
Is there a way to check if a game has anti-cheat? The PCGaming Wiki?
Edit:
Looks like the PC Gaming Wiki does but stuff like it listing Far Cry 5 because I'd only be playing it on Single Player. Should I still stay away from messing with it?
That and the fact that Intel has way more money to spend on R&D. Intel spends more than 3 times as much money on R&D than AMD.Intel was smart to hire Anton Kaplanyan.
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Well yes they also fabricate their hardware so they have to spend money to develop fabrication processes. Look at how much TSMC has to spend for each new node they develop. AMD sold all their foundries and technologies. Global foundry stopped trying to compete.
Oh man, I am so clueless. I was assuming that if I use DLSS in a game, such as Cyberpunk, I'm automatically getting whatever updates that Nvidia has made to DLSS (assuming I'm on the latest drivers).
Sony and AMD fully collaborate on the hardware they design and build, Cerny has said as much and it makes sense they continue to strengthen this relationship. No one should be surprised if similar hardware in the Pro shows up in AMD cards in the near future.
It doesn't make it easy for people to compare if AMD and NVIDIA use the same scale for their quality settings, but Intel uses one step lower resolution now.
If you use Special K, you should be able to force DLAA rather than having to use DLDSR with DLSS.
None of these companies have honest marketing, but they're comparing the performance improvement to the previous version of their own software, not competitor's. There is a performance improvement because they reduced the render scale. If that bore out as worse image quality, it wouldn't be a very useful metric. But according to this test from DigitalFoundry, it doesn't result in worse image quality. So there is an increase in image quality and improvement in performance. That is not a dishonest statement.It doesn't make it easy for people to compare if AMD and NVIDIA use the same scale for their quality settings, but Intel uses one step lower resolution now.
They're already advertising it as an "up to 28% performance improvement."
I suppose it depends on what the actual rendering resolution ends up being, but DLAA is preferable in my opinion.
I don't think it makes sense to use "image quality" as a metric here.
Why would image quality not make sense as a metric to compare image quality descriptors for upscaling presets? The only reason the render scales are the way they are now is because NVIDIA led the way, it's not some set in stone rule that Quality means X, Performance means Y. Your argument is for standardization, which is a fine argument to make, but it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not Intel's quality preset descriptors hold water and it is clear that the lower render scale + XeSS 1.3 is higher quality than higher render scale + XeSS 1.2. The render scales are already arbitrary based on NVIDIA's own marketing arm when DLSS was first introduced. No other vendor is beholden to those rules.
Not sure how to respond without repeating myself really.
No one is flipping between DLSS, XeSS, and FSR. If you have an Nvidia GPU you are using DLSS because it is the best reconstruction option 100 percent of the time.
I agree that you will probably use DLSS if you've got a supported NVIDIA GPU.
XeSS is usually a better choice than FSR even on AMD cards - or older NVIDIA GPUs.
You can't just drop in a newer FSR DLL to upgrade it, like you can with DLSS/XeSS.
Huh. I have never heard someone have a real issue with DLSS. What are they doing if not using DLSS. Just native?
Yeah the performance overhead with XeSS is what makes me think it wouldn't be a sensible option for an AMD user. But yeah I guess it definitely does reconstruct the image more accurately, even with when it's not fully featured.
The game's native TAA - or in some cases, they've even said they prefer FSR2 Quality.
Well, FSR has fallen so far behind that you can often drop the preset a tier lower and still end up with a better image overall - despite the higher performance cost.
I only take umbrage with claiming that it is a dishonest tactic to lower the render scale and introduce more granular options for upscaling performance. Again, you made the claim that it was to state a performance advantage but the only evidence was that it showed an improvement versus their prior version technology which is a true claim. If Intel had said they are performing better than NVIDIA or AMD that'd be an entirely different conversation.
Disingenuous? FSR 2.2 is the Same upscaler as FSR 3.0
I think it's pretty obvious. AMD's AI enhanced FSR is talked about only when PS5 Pro gets PSSR. AMD rumored to go big with RT with RDNA5 right after Sony focuses on RT with PS5 Pro. Essentially, Sony is funding R&D for AMD's GPU division because they were unhappy with FSR and their RT performance (stands to reason because they wouldn't develop PSSR if FSR was good enough).
But does that mean AMD does nothing until Sony asks for it to be done? Because that's how it looks like. AI enabled FSR only talked about after PSSR. RT performance leap with RDNA5 only after Sony asked for better RT performance with PS5 Pro.
The technology behind it, has likely been in development for some time between both parties. Remember that we are not supposed to know about any of this, and implementations of it could be in the works for RDNA 4, since the PS5 Pro may be an RDNA 3/4 hybrid. Ever since the PS4, Sony and Cerny seem happy to strengthen ties and share design and technology much more than business customer and contractor. AMD knows that their software only FSR and non-dedicated RT are not in a good position, and it would be illogical that they have not been working on their own including Sony's PS hardware team. Factor in that they are AMD's largest customer, and they are facing down GPU competition from the $2 trillion Nvidia. It is in their best interest to work together to advance technology goals.
