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I just wish more games would use a more stylized look, that doesn't require as much computing power.
So they can have better performance and image quality.
So they can have better performance and image quality.
FYI; If you're thinking that RAW 720p is output to the screen, I forgot to add that the performance mode also uses TSR to upsample to 1440p, so that cleaner image you may see is true.
720p refers to the internal resolution, I'll pay more attention to this if I make a thread in the future 😂 .
Sorry for any misunderstanding for those who did not have time to watch the video.
I mean... I'm seeing really low resolutions and compromises across the board. The games with high pixel counts and steady framerates are few and far between. Sure, upscalling tech can make low pixel counts look better but it also introduces artifacts and it's far from ideal.
At this point, we aren't getting 60fps games without massive compromises in most cases. Pro consoles could brute force their way to better results. You can blame these results on poor optimization but there is a lot of that going around in that case. And more power will lessen the impact of poor optimization.
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4090 looking pretty good now huh. Take the L people who said it was unoptimised on PC and were acting like it was native 4K/60 on PS5.
People need to start accepting next gen games are not going to be hitting native 4K easily on either PC/Consoles. Games hitting native 4K on something like One X was more understandable when the base games were designed to run on Xbox One which was honestly a really fucking weak console. DDR3 for VRAM even in 2013 was hilarious.
People need to start accepting next gen games are not going to be hitting native 4K easily on either PC/Consoles. Games hitting native 4K on something like One X was more understandable when the base games were designed to run on Xbox One which was honestly a really fucking weak console. DDR3 for VRAM even in 2013 was hilarious.
indeed
raw pixel count is something that doesn't matter much these days
A 4090 can run Cyberpunk 2077 with raytracing in native 4K at similar performance as Remnant 2 runs on it. Except Remnant 2 does not have a complex open world or any raytracing.
The issue is with Remnant 2 or UE5, not games in general being so demanding that you need the fastest GPU on the market to get a decent results.
Why does it seem like some on this forum have a double standard when it comes to DLSS 2 and Consoles using their own versions of reconstruction to achieve a similar effect? This isn't the first time I've noticed this.
When I see analysis of PC games that use DLSS, I don't see folks freaking out at the internal resolution. In fact I remember folks going crazy that DLSS 2 could make something subHD look better than something that was native HD.
Oliver says the consoles approach to reconstruction (UE5's version) looks better than FSR2.0 on PC at the same output resolution of 1440p. So why have some lost their minds throwing out "720p!!!".
Game apparently looks 1440p. 🤷🏾♂️
When I see analysis of PC games that use DLSS, I don't see folks freaking out at the internal resolution. In fact I remember folks going crazy that DLSS 2 could make something subHD look better than something that was native HD.
Oliver says the consoles approach to reconstruction (UE5's version) looks better than FSR2.0 on PC at the same output resolution of 1440p. So why have some lost their minds throwing out "720p!!!".
Game apparently looks 1440p. 🤷🏾♂️
It doesn't look like it should be so demanding i agree. However it's likely something underneath the hood (the new fancy LOD system) that is making it so performance hungry.
I guess we will see with more UE5 games hitting the market.
You realize DF offers super high quality, downloadable direct-feed footage of their videos right? You don't need to play the game to know what it looks like.
If the devs cave and downgrade LOD and other features on PC to make the game less demanding I hope they leave the option of running the game on current settings for us with higher end PCs. I'm playing the game maxed out at 4K at above 100FPS with DLSS and frame generation. Looks great and it's super smooth.
Ideally they patch more settings so everyone can find a good graphics/performance ratio. The game is kinda anemic when it comes to graphic options.
Consoles don't have the same quality of reconstruction techniques as DLSS/XeSS, FSR 2 is only really decent at doing 1440p->4k, much less fucking FSR1 like FF16 uses. And even DLSS starts to falter a bit when you start reconstructing from lower resolutions, even if it's the same multiplier (e.g. 720p->1440p isn't quite as clear as 1080p->4k)
My only gripe with this game is that it strangely doesn't support Dualshock 4 or Dual Sense controller on PC and after forcing compatibility with Steam it defaults to Xbox prompts in game so for now I have to deal with Xbox prompts until someone makes a mod to change it to PlayStation Prompts.
I did use the word "similar" for a reason lol. And in this example, it is UE5's reconstruction technique which seems to do a good job with internal resolutions below 1080p. I believe the Matrix demo was at or below 1080p?
Some who have played the game say it looks good (not 720p). If it achieves 60fps most of the time and looks good, I think that's something that shouldn't be overreacted to in a negative way (not you, but some earlier in the thread).
I'm aware, though this is using TSR on console and not FSR. In the games I've tried it on PC (which is just Fortnite, Satisfactory and Layers of Fears tbf), TSR reconstructing to 1080p from 60% res is surprisingly very good and this is reconstructing from a higher res to 1440p, really can't imagine it being an issue.
I think the main issue is that a lot of the talking points around upscalers (especially when DLSS2 first arrived) were that you could get just as good if not better image quality while also saving performance. This is very rarely the case for FSR 2 (basically only when the game has some really shitty TAA), but on a relative scale, a small degradation of image quality in exchange of much better performance is a tradeoff that's probably still worth it in most cases.
Instead of 792p at sub-60fps, you'll get sub-1080p and maybe a locked 60fps and also maybe some RT 😆
I'm just half-joking of course.
Dev said in the OT that he is personally working on this and it should be out soon. No haptics though unfortunately.
Don't worry guys, the next consoles will hit [insert arbitrary moving target here] and all will be well. GET HYPED GO CRAZY THE REVOLUTION IS COMING etc etc etc...
Game is great.
Game is great.
I don't think PC gamers are the ones bashing the internal resolution of an upscaled console game, just as I don't see the console gamers in PC threads praising DLSS as the savior and black magic. There is no overlap.
So the question really is, why are the technologically illiterate showing their asses on the subject?
I was going to say the same thing; lots of drive by posts looking at the rendering res and saying how it's a failure. Some of it comes from when you play on PC, you always have the option to test the features on and off - so you can visibly see the advantages DLSS 2.0+ offers over FSR 2.0; which varies game to game. I think a lot of people are making assumptions console reconstruction is always inferior, (or in some cases think it's not there at all)- now it seems the TSR solution is quite competitive with DLSS 2 - specifically reducing blurring that plagues FSR; I also think some people do sort of have a bias of wanting their platform to have an edge. The TSR in UE5 is really awesome for everyone on consoles or non new-nvidia cards if you ask me - though I think there's a lot of parts to adding it on UE5 so it won't always just be the same for each game - cause it's not as much of an off/on switch to making a good implementation - I hear it is a bit more of a performance hit too. I think a lot of it was Nvidia's marketing; they convinced enough people you need their cores to do good reconstruction; which still plagues the discourse today.
There's literally a PC thread about this game's dev saying that the game was created to run with DLSS, and people have been complaining about it loudly all over the internet, including era.
Shhh numbers low! Game bad!
I had no idea until this thread about the resolution stuff. Game looks fine. This is gonna end up my goty And I hope this numbers talk doesn't prevent people from giving it a shot.
UE5 with all the bells and whistles just isn't ready with the tech we have on consoles and pcs, at least with all of the main features being pushed. I feel like the push for next gen features has overestimated the consoles capability to some degree.
I feel bad for everyone involved as it's such a tremendous task and it seems Remnant 2 mostly achieves the task with a number of caveats.
I feel bad for everyone involved as it's such a tremendous task and it seems Remnant 2 mostly achieves the task with a number of caveats.
I still don't understand what happened this gen. Games don't look much better than last-gen. This in particular doesn't look anything special. There are better looking PS4 games. Still, these games struggle to reach 1080p/60fps now? And THIS should be the reason why we need another mid-gen refresh? Yeah, fuck that.
There's no way you can blame this on UE5. The game just could be engineered to run better than it does currently.
Interesting tidbit found regarding why TSR has been used;
[April 10th]
forums.unrealengine.com
Question in feedback thread;
Answer by principal graphics programmer at Epic Games, author of Temporal Super Resolution in UE5.
UE5.3 main improvements were outlined in the roadmap; https://portal.productboard.com/epi...-roadmap/c/1161-temporal-super-resolution-tsr
[April 10th]
TSR feedback thread
Hi, My name is Guillaume Abadie, principal graphics programmer at Epic Games, author of Temporal Super Resolution in UE5. The goal of the TSR is to be a temporal upscaler that answer the anti-aliasing need of displaying unprecedented Nanite amount of details on screen, while accommodating...
forums.unrealengine.com
Question in feedback thread;
Answer by principal graphics programmer at Epic Games, author of Temporal Super Resolution in UE5.
UE5.3 main improvements were outlined in the roadmap; https://portal.productboard.com/epi...-roadmap/c/1161-temporal-super-resolution-tsr
Interesting read and sounds like good news on the console and AMD side.
I wasn't sure on whether it should be shared, but I think it's relevant w.r.t. the future of UE5 and upscaling solutions given the low internal resolutions.
It never worked like. Not a single time in the history of computers.
If there was a more powerful console to be released, gamedev will put more geometry, more shadows, more light bounces, less optimizations, and so on.
30fps or 60fps, 800p or 4K, it's all about design. What did the gamedev wanted to achieve, what did the publisher was ready to pay for it, and how competently the production ran.
This is my reaction. People cry for devs to upgrade their tech and use new engines to keep up with "AAA" graphics and then are surprised when the game performs poorly. Guess the only sensible thing is to release better hardware so these shitty games can run properly!!
It's whatever, honestly. I'll play on PS5 in balanced mode. Would be nice if we got a better idea of loading times.
And guess what, there are a number of examples where games never receive a patch update or optimization and the newer console helps clean it up. Whether that's dynamic res staying on the higher side, the framerate being finally stable or both in some instances. I don't need a lecture about how things work, we've all been around this block for the last couple generations.
Also, like last generation the refreshes gave some devs a reason to go back to their older titles and give their game new life.
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It's not the prettiest game by any metric but the IQ looks fine and it's smooth. It looks pretty sharp albeit with someone weird artifacts. I'm actually playing it unlike most of these kneejerk reactions in here.
Interesting tidbit found regarding why TSR has been used;
[April 10th]
TSR feedback thread
Hi, My name is Guillaume Abadie, principal graphics programmer at Epic Games, author of Temporal Super Resolution in UE5. The goal of the TSR is to be a temporal upscaler that answer the anti-aliasing need of displaying unprecedented Nanite amount of details on screen, while accommodating...
Question in feedback thread;
Answer by principal graphics programmer at Epic Games, author of Temporal Super Resolution in UE5.
UE5.3 main improvements were outlined in the roadmap; https://portal.productboard.com/epi...-roadmap/c/1161-temporal-super-resolution-tsr
Cool beans, wish Ghostwire tokyo hd TSR support on console rather than FSR1 which is a joke. Curious why didn't they target 4k instead of 1440p. Those next gen image reconstruction tech should be able to construct from 1/4 of target rest which is 1080p if the target res is 4K. Scaling from 1080p to 4K probably give it a better results than 1260p to 1440p.