That's the Disney movie with the cats, right?I think a lot of younger folks really haven't. It's as if The Aristocrats wasn't a thing for years and years.
/s, in case it isn't readily apparent
That's the Disney movie with the cats, right?I think a lot of younger folks really haven't. It's as if The Aristocrats wasn't a thing for years and years.
Most people in general aren't familiar with the joke. Maybe comedians and the small amount of people who have seen the documentary but it's not some common thing.I think a lot of younger folks really haven't. It's as if The Aristocrats wasn't a thing for years and years.
Read the thread or at least the first pageThis attitude is really, really bad. You can't go scorched earth on people who make an active effort to change, that's extremely toxic. You can do that with actual criminials, but over jokes? Where does that extreme way of thinking come from?
Okay? Is using gender neutral language bad now?
Depends on his past stuff. His addictions to drugs will be treated by the public as "Past Demons" that he overcame. If he said, and did horrible stuff that involved abuse, then you can believe something like that can be used against him. But all that can be filed under "Past Demons", and the public loves when people can comeback from "Past Demons".I hope the mob doesn't start looking back at RDJ's past are Disney is really screwed.
I don't like being lumped in with the Alt-Right just because i don't have a huge meltdown over GOTG3 not being made. Or being called stupid, easily manipulated etc. OR that i am not sincere and am arguing in bad faith because i'm a secret alt righter. I'm a big fan of marvel, i paid $60.00 for a blufans edition of GOTG2, see here.... https://www.resetera.com/threads/re...-goods-more-real-pics-only.8983/#post-1646128
I have my own personal reasons why i don't give a flying fuck about someone that jokes about raping children and women is fired from their job, but i wont get into it, because i shouldn't have to play oppression olympics to prove that i am not arguing in bad faith.
It's not normal to make these kind of jokes when you are an adult. Saying "oh it was a different time back then" is weird, because joking about raping children has never been acceptable. So nah i wont forgive him, but that doesn't make me an alt-right person, or someone that is being manipulated. The tweets speak for themselves.
All she was doing was letting you know dude, you don't gotta make it a big thing
Duh. They knew it before he got hired and only acted when his actions became a hot topic.Disney deserve double the out rage bec im 100% sure they knew of this and are back peddling bec some people got mad.
I don't like being lumped in with the Alt-Right just because i don't have a huge meltdown over GOTG3 not being made. Or being called stupid, easily manipulated etc. OR that i am not sincere and am arguing in bad faith because i'm a secret alt righter. I'm a big fan of marvel, i paid $60.00 for a blufans edition of GOTG2, see here.... https://www.resetera.com/threads/re...-goods-more-real-pics-only.8983/#post-1646128
I have my own personal reasons why i don't give a flying fuck about someone that jokes about raping children and women is fired from their job, but i wont get into it, because i shouldn't have to play oppression olympics to prove that i am not arguing in bad faith.
It's not normal to make these kind of jokes when you are an adult. Saying "oh it was a different time back then" is weird, because joking about raping children has never been acceptable. So nah i wont forgive him, but that doesn't make me an alt-right person, or someone that is being manipulated. The tweets speak for themselves.
I'm not sure how anyone can defend him after reading those tweets. They are absolutely disgusting and I don't even think any comedian in their right mind would touch those "jokes". Can you imagine the headlines upon GOTG 3's release? Never mind how disturbing it is that he feels comfortable telling these "jokes" no matter how old they are.
The thing is we don't know if this would've been a big controversy to begin with. If anything it became a controversy when Disney fired him so if they wanted to avoid the bad PR they clearly failed because everyone has been talking about it and alot of them are unhappy about it and want Gunn back. If bad PR did happen and people were outraged than fine hell despite the fact Ted Cruz is a fucking tool I would understand why Disney would fire him if Cruz brought it up because having a representative of the US Government call your employee and demand an investigation on him than yeah that would be bad PR.
However though the fact that Disney was slower to react on this for John Lasseter someone who was actually called out by the metoo movement and didn't even receive anywhere near a harsh punishment when we don't even know if the Gunn's story would've actually been a story is one of the extra layer of bullshit on this situation
Not sure if you live in the US or not, but we have a lot of people who don't even understand that Gunn's tweets were jokes. It's not that they can't see a difference between them, it's that they don't think that kind of stuff is a joke.
I am aware. I was just making sure the poster wasn't speaking for every abuse victim.
He's never claimed to but folks have certainly pretended that those who forgive ought to speak for him.
The comment to which I was responding to mentioned "abuse victims." It should be "some abuse victims."
Just a small clarification.
You're splitting hairs to shit on him at this point.
He's been clear. He's also been utterly erased from this conversation by most.
I think a lot of younger folks really haven't. It's as if The Aristocrats wasn't a thing for years and years.
Folks y'all need to allow folks like Beefy to express how that shit Gunn said (which yes can include believing he ought to have been fired or more specifically never hired) affects him given his life experiences... without attacking him relentlessly.
Shutting down people who are directly harmed by the kind of shit Gunn used to spew helps no one, it hurts victims and shit and it actively denies Gunn his own growth and undercuts his own reaction here.
Ya'll can disagree on Gunn getting axed without labeling Beefy the enemy.
I didn't say all did I?Some forgave him.
Some weren't even offended by the jokes in the first place.
No way to guess what the split is.
Blowing shit out of proportion like this is exactly what leads to people making snap judgments like we see here or arenanet.Yes as in things they did wrong that got them into trouble. Try using your brain just a little FFS. Worst kind of poster is the one who nitpicks a single word while completely missing the point of everything else. Needing every single words meaning spelled out to them when it's bloody obvious to everyone else with a brain.
I don't like being lumped in with the Alt-Right just because i don't have a huge meltdown over GOTG3 not being made. Or being called stupid, easily manipulated etc. OR that i am not sincere and am arguing in bad faith because i'm a secret alt righter. I'm a big fan of marvel, i paid $60.00 for a blufans edition of GOTG2, see here.... https://www.resetera.com/threads/re...-goods-more-real-pics-only.8983/#post-1646128
I have my own personal reasons why i don't give a flying fuck about someone that jokes about raping children and women is fired from their job, but i wont get into it, because i shouldn't have to play oppression olympics to prove that i am not arguing in bad faith.
It's not normal to make these kind of jokes when you are an adult. Saying "oh it was a different time back then" is weird, because joking about raping children has never been acceptable. So nah i wont forgive him, but that doesn't make me an alt-right person, or someone that is being manipulated. The tweets speak for themselves.
The Era thread got like 12 pages before it was locked when discussion was moved to his firing. However by that time I bowed out and stopped following it because I didn't think it was worth bringing it back up and the people who brought it up were assholes who didn't deserve the time of day anyway and were gigantic hypocrites and I only found out about the firing from Twitter when it became a bigger story and when most people on my feed who all mostly think this is unfair and absurdly hypocritical of Disney when they've not only defended worse but even hired Gunn in spite of these same allegations 6 years ago.How many pages of discussion did reset have before he got fired? How much attention was it courting on twitter and else where?
Sure Disney didn't know how much controversy it would attract in the end, but that's the point, they don't want to find out.
What lassatter did was worse, obviously. But its perception. His shit was far more hidden, not all over twitter. And there wasn't nearly the same public outcry and Lassetter is far more behind the scenes to the public. Gunn is more well known and more engaged to the public. The context is always different from case to case. And Lassetter was considered far more indispensable.
Yes as in things they did wrong that got them into trouble. Try using your brain just a little FFS. Worst kind of poster is the one who nitpicks a single word while completely missing the point of everything else. Needing every single words meaning spelled out to them when it's bloody obvious to everyone else with a brain.
This attitude is really, really bad. You can't go scorched earth on people who make an active effort to change, that's extremely toxic. You can do that with actual criminials, but over jokes? Where does that extreme way of thinking come from?
My best guess, and I know this sounds incredibly condescending, is that a lot of the folks saying 2009 was a different time and everyone made jokes about personally raping children, were in middle school at the time.
I mean, it was a different time though. Trends in jokes change with time, as does what's deemed acceptable public speech. That's not to say Gunn's remarks were ever acceptable in the mainstream, but being an edgelord in 2009 is certainly going to be perceived differently from being the same edgelord in 2018.My best guess, and I know this sounds incredibly condescending, is that a lot of the folks saying 2009 was a different time and everyone made jokes about personally raping children, were in middle school at the time.
I'm nearly 40. I've never had much interest in schock comedy, but it was certainly very prevalent back then. Far from everybody was doing it, but it was absolutely a thing. I've already mentioned the Aristocrats several times in this and the previous thread. That movie was mainstream back in 2005, was critically acclaimed and features lots of to this day active comedians with jokes far worse than what Gunn wrote. I can't say I lament the passing of this strain of humour, but it was absolutely a thing back then. Google blue comedy.
The Era thread got like 12 pages before it was locked when discussion was moved to his firing. However by that time I bowed out and stopped following it because I didn't think it was worth bringing it back up and the people who brought it up were assholes who didn't deserve the time of day anyway and were gigantic hypocrites and I only found out about the firing from Twitter when it became a bigger story and when most people on my feed who all mostly think this is unfair and absurdly hypocritical of Disney when they've not only defended worse but even hired Gunn in spite of these same allegations 6 years ago.
It's hard to say if it was worth firing him to begin with but honestly it's still dumb that Disney did this as fast as they did when they were forgiving of so much worse before.
Perhaps it's time we all maybe reconsider knee-jerk destroying people over some mundane shit like this.
This has been pointed out several times and then those people came back with "oh you just happen to live your life perfectly and never do anything wrong" or "oh you just want to feel better than people for coming down on him". It's very annoying to talk about this with some of you.My best guess, and I know this sounds incredibly condescending, is that a lot of the folks saying 2009 was a different time and everyone made jokes about personally raping children, were in middle school at the time.
You don't have to forgive him, but to wish he loses good job over ancient tweets he already apologized for and had not done since means you can't even acknowledge that people can change for the better, and that's just pettiness.I don't like being lumped in with the Alt-Right just because i don't have a huge meltdown over GOTG3 not being made. Or being called stupid, easily manipulated etc. OR that i am not sincere and am arguing in bad faith because i'm a secret alt righter. I'm a big fan of marvel, i paid $60.00 for a blufans edition of GOTG2, see here.... https://www.resetera.com/threads/re...-goods-more-real-pics-only.8983/#post-1646128
I have my own personal reasons why i don't give a flying fuck about someone that jokes about raping children and women is fired from their job, but i wont get into it, because i shouldn't have to play oppression olympics to prove that i am not arguing in bad faith.
It's not normal to make these kind of jokes when you are an adult. Saying "oh it was a different time back then" is weird, because joking about raping children has never been acceptable. So nah i wont forgive him, but that doesn't make me an alt-right person, or someone that is being manipulated. The tweets speak for themselves.
Of course, folks like ted Cruz have now jumped on the band wagon, calling for Gunn to be prosecuted.
This is out of control. Social media has to go, as a society we clearly can't handle it.
I don't think we can put that particular genie back in the bottle. Social media have changed everything and the situation is spiralling out of control. This is only the beginning.
Of course, folks like ted Cruz have now jumped on the band wagon, calling for Gunn to be prosecuted.
This is out of control. Social media has to go, as a society we clearly can't handle it.
A friend of mine was asking why it was okay for Mamoa to make rape jokes but its not for Gunn. But the context is so different, it's just about what causes potential bad PR. Mamoas slight was small enough that it was easy enough for the public to not care. Disney has no real code other than making money, and they probably don't really care about any of this other than how much it can potentially hurt them.
This has been pointed out several times and then those people came back with "oh you just happen to live your life perfectly and never do anything wrong" or "oh you just want to feel better than people for coming down on him". It's very annoying to talk about this with some of you.
I'm 2008, the people I was in high school with either made dead baby jokes or would compare getting their ass beat in a video game to getting raped. And they were called out for it then.