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Is social culture too reliant on alcohol?

  • Yes

    Votes: 693 77.3%
  • No

    Votes: 204 22.7%

  • Total voters
    897

Shahed

Member
Oct 27, 2017
841
UK, Newcastle
Disclaimer: I ask this as a a brown person born in the UK with immigrant parents, who has never drank alcohol in my life so far.

It's always made me think. When you see people socialising in media shows or films. People talk about nights out, or holidays. How enjoyable a wedding might be depending on the quality of it's drink and open bar policy or lack thereof. Dating and stuff like Tinder, where you meet for drinks. Nightclubs, stag do's and hen nights etc.

As someone who doesn't drink, in some ways I do feel like I'm on the outside looking in. Watching a world I've never taken part in.

I remember back in school. Yes there were some fellow asians, but predominantly I hung around with white classmates. I didn't really think much of it as a kid. My friends were my friends, regardless of skin colour. Relatively I had more white friends, and my two best friends were white. This was the case in first and middle school, as well as early high school.

Then we got to around 14-15, and people started drinking alcohol. All of a sudden there was a shift in my friendship dynamics. I slowly started to hang around more with asians, and less with white friends. Where before I'd flirted back and forth with my white female classmates, that stopped too. My closer friends felt it as well, this sudden strain in our relationship. How all of a sudden I wouldn't join them in certain nights out. While we didn't acknowledge it at the time, we knew there was something wrong, but wasn't sure what, and felt confused.

It was like all the integration you generally want to have in order to further society worked as kids. But then people grew up to drinking age, and then seperated into their own seperate communities and all those years of progress became undone

It's not just a race or cultural thing either. This also applies to 'regular' white people who don't drink either. One of those aforementioned friends I reconnected with a few years ago. She stopped drinking one day after an uncle of hers was killed by a drunk driver. She's pretty big into health and fitness too.

She says she sometimes feels left out now that she doesn't drink. Like her father and grandparents at dinners might say "Just have one glass of wine, what's the harm?", and she can see they look visibly annoyed when she refuses. How overtime she's grown distant to a lot of her former friends since she stopped going to clubs and bars with them. And she only did that because she felt uncomfortable with being egged on to drink. How she feel people don't like her anymore because they feel she comes across as too elitist. As if they think she's judging them by not drinking herself. She says it's just easier to not socialise with them

Now I'm a shy guy. Apparently I'm oblivious too according to the aforementioned female friend. I'm not the best at recognising when someone is coming onto me, but I do at times. There was a thread about ghosting recently, and you see all over the Internet things like 'how best to let someone down'. You know what works best for me? Responding to "do you want to get a drink sometime?", with variations of "I'm sorry I don't drink."

Occasionally they or I will mention coffee, or a meal somewhere. Some have even tried to 'convert' me over. But 90% of the time as soon as I mention I don't drink, they immediately lose interest. As if my worth as a person, is dependent on ability to consume alcohol

Now as I said with my disclaimer, I'm a UK child born to foreigners, and I have never drank alcohol at all. I fully admit, I'm biased in this debate. But I find it sad that I can get along with so many people so well online on forums like this, over text, at work and so on. How I can have many close childhood friends. But as soon as socialising in person comes into play, suddenly it can't happen unless alcohol is in present
 
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overcast

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Oct 25, 2017
13,461
Sometimes yes, but it's fun. Let loose. You can not drink if you want but a lot of people like having a drink and talking. One of human kinds great inventions.
 

deathsaber

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Nov 2, 2017
3,100
I think for SOME PEOPLE it does. But the thing is, as much as some caught within certain circumstances and groups of people might think it all revolves around drinking, there are really many more of us who don't drink at all (or at least not in excess at all, ie 1 or 2 drinks for special occasions and then done), and its really not a big deal.

So if friends truly are making one feel "left out" because they aren't a "drinker", then honestly that person just need to find new friends. "Hanging out", being "social", and just otherwise being in public and enjoying the company of others most certainly does not have to involve alcohol all the damn time. Also, going to "get a drink", can just mean going to get coffee or some other non-alcoholic beverage of choice.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Being a teetotaler can be very difficult socially. But as someone who is a very moderate drinker I don't think there are many obstacles while socializing, at least not since I was done with college.
 

hephaestus

Member
Oct 28, 2017
673
May i ask what are you being left out of? If your friends are going to a pub and ask you to go. Why not go and just have a water or a coke? If a potential date asks you if you want to go for a drink say sure, then order a non- alcohol one. No harm no foul.
 

AcidCat

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
1,410
Bellingham WA
Alcohol is the only thing that makes socializing tolerable. As for nondrinkers in drinking social circles, well, everybody loves a sober driver.
 

Keio

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Nov 5, 2017
924
Having cut down on drinking a lot for 2020 but not going teetotal I still realize many social events are automatically about drinking together, and being the guy to ask for a non-alcoholic beer in a round is inviting some piss-taking from my dear friends.
 

Chivalry

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Nov 22, 2018
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There's way more to social culture than things that involve drinking anything, but yeah, it sure is huge.
 
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Shahed

Shahed

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Oct 27, 2017
841
UK, Newcastle
I think for SOME PEOPLE it does. But the thing is, as much as some caught within certain circumstances and groups of people might think it all revolves around drinking, there are really many more of us who don't drink at all (or at least not in excess at all, ie 1 or 2 drinks for special occasions and then done), and its really not a big deal.

So if friends truly are making one feel "left out" because they aren't a "drinker", then honestly that person just need to find new friends.
Being a teetotaler can be very difficult socially. But as someone who is a very moderate drinker I don't think there are many obstacles while socializing, at least not since I was done with college.

I get the idea of some people who are social drinkers. Will only have 1 or 2 and not get remotely drunk.

But out of curiosity, how many people do you personally know that won't drink at all. Like adamantly refuse to even have a single sip?

I don't know how that one feels personally. It's anecdotal based on my friend. But she says she felt a stark difference between how she was treated when she only had one glass, to when she refused completely.
 

Irnbru

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Oct 25, 2017
2,136
Seattle
Go to a bar anyway and just get soda water? A ton of folks in my office are doing dry Jan and that's how we've survived lol
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
115,998
Depends on where you are and who you're with. In your early and mid twenties, absolutely. Twenty-year-olds don't really know how to do anything unless they're drunk.

At 30, my friends and I rarely drink as a group unless we really need to.
 
Dec 31, 2017
7,104
In the west? Yeah it can often be an unwritten requirement. It sucks for people who don't drink, so I can understand your experience. Friends shouldn't let friends feel ostracized for it though.
 

Marvelous

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Nov 3, 2017
350
It does, but you're overthinking your personal involvement in it. Honestly in a lot of ways it seems like you're outcasting yourself as opposed to anyone doing that to you. And if anyone gives you shit for not drinking, that sounds like a problem that they have that you can move away from for not respecting your choices.
 

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But out of curiosity, how many people do you personally know that won't drink at all. Like adamantly refuse to even have a single sip?

I don't know how that one feels personally. It's anecdotal based on my friend. But she says she felt a stark difference between how she was treated when she only had one glass, to when she refused completely.

I refuse to drink, 100%. I've seen some pretty close 'friends' get really angry and change their tone entirely just because you don't want to drink.
 

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There's a fair bit of research on this and the way it impacts not just social culture/leisure but also work culture. It's one of the primary sites where the two spill over and if you don't partake you risk being left out.

Also, the whole 'just drink water' sounds nice on paper but it doesn't really work all the time. It's not the perfect neutral solution when society as a whole is still so entrenched with drinking culture.
 

lightning16

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May 17, 2019
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Yeah drinking is pretty much everywhere in so many different social settings. Family gatherings, hanging out with friends, social workplace gatherings, etc. It's noticeable when you don't drink (and I'm sure it's still plenty noticeable even when you do). Can be pretty annoying, honestly.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I only drink on very special occasions (a glass of wine on New Years, a few shots of whiskey on Halloween, a craft brew on my Birthday, etc, etc). Not really into the social culture of people who are constantly trying to get their drink on after work/weekends. It's pretty annoying when people try to pressure you to drink when you've clearly had your fill. When people get hammered, they're not fun to be around IMO. Being at a house party, trying to have a conversation with someone who is on the verge of blacking-out is a mess. Been there, done that. I've turned down many drinks in my life, because it makes feel sleepy and sloppy.

I, too, was raised in a family where drinking was kind of frowned upon, so I never really had to deal with alcohol until my late teens/early 20's. My dad was (and still is) a pretty big smoker, though. That being said, I LOVE weed, and I'd rather hangout with pot smokers than alcoholics ANY DAY. They're far more adventurous, self-aware, and fun to be around than drinkers. I've met so many stoners that like going hiking, skating, creating/producing music, lifting weights, cooking, etc. It's just a much more artistic, productive and conscious crowd of people, from my personal experience.
 
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Oct 20, 2018
1,281
Brazil
I'd say so. I've never been a fan of alcohol (I literally tried just a sip of champagne and wine once, hated both and never looked back). I'm at that age where most of my friends do go out to drink sometimes, but even if they invited me to go with them I probably wouldn't anyways since I feel kinda.. uncomfortable, I guess? Being around people drinking, so I avoid it.
 

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I get the idea of some people who are social drinkers. Will only have 1 or 2 and not get remotely drunk.

But out of curiosity, how many people do you personally know that won't drink at all. Like adamantly refuse to even have a single sip?

I don't know how that one feels personally. It's anecdotal based on my friend. But she says she felt a stark difference between how she was treated when she only had one glass, to when she refused completely.
What you would run into with my group is just feel generally annoyed because a lot of the time when we get together is at a brewery. Just for 1 or 2, and nobody in my group thinks it's weird or annoying when someone abstains (though many other groups do) but at a certain point you'd get tired of always getting together somewhere that offers you nothing.
 
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Shahed

Shahed

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Oct 27, 2017
841
UK, Newcastle
May i ask what are you being left out of? If your friends are going to a pub and ask you to go. Why not go and just have a water or a coke? If a potential date asks you if you want to go for a drink say sure, then order a non- alcohol one. No harm no foul.

See the below posts:

In like the 15 years since I've completed compulsory education, there's not a single time when I haven't been mocked, egged on to drink, or had my coke or other soft drink spiked.

These are all different people from schoold friends, gym buddies, work colleagues from various jobs. Not once has it ever been no harm no foul


Having cut down on drinking a lot for 2020 but not going teetotal I still realize many social events are automatically about drinking together, and being the guy to ask for a non-alcoholic beer in a round is inviting some piss-taking from my dear friends.
I refuse to drink, 100%. I've seen some pretty close 'friends' get really angry and change their tone entirely just because you don't want to drink.
 

Finaj

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, it feels like it does. 99% of alcohol tastes like cough medicine to me. Child me hated the taste of it and would stubbornly refuse to take it no matter what.

I can't remove that association, so no alcohol for me.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah. I'm a very social person in certain settings but I won't lie and say that drinking is something I've had to force myself to do to kind of keep that going. I have a social battery that clocks out quick. I can't hold conversations after 1 topic even though, I can out talk every topic you give me. It's just eventually, once it dies down...I'm done. And that's when drinking comes in. It just keeps that going. But man is it annoying.
 
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Shahed

Shahed

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Oct 27, 2017
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UK, Newcastle
Depends on where you are and who you're with. In your early and mid twenties, absolutely. Twenty-year-olds don't really know how to do anything unless they're drunk.

At 30, my friends and I rarely drink as a group unless we really need to.

This is also true. Now that I'm I just hit my 30's and spend time with more mature people, the pressure to drink isn't as strong as it was.

People still try to make me drink though

It does, but you're overthinking your personal involvement in it. Honestly in a lot of ways it seems like you're outcasting yourself as opposed to anyone doing that to you. And if anyone gives you shit for not drinking, that sounds like a problem that they have that you can move away from for not respecting your choices.

In a way you're right. I am outcasting myself to a degree. It's just really uncomfortable. Imagine it like the lone black guy in a group of white people. Or the sole woman in a bar full of bearded redneck men. You feel the odd one out, and like you shouldn't be there.

As for avoiding everyone that acts like that? That would mean pretty much avoiding everyone.

Now people are fine with it's just a small group. 1 on 1, or a few people at most. But as soon as it's a gathering, that changes. Group or herd mentality kicks in, and those that are usually perfectly fine, go along with the crowd in the 'subtle' mocking or trying to make you drink
 
Oct 27, 2017
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At this point I feel like I need a drink just to relax and open up, but then you got the people who start calling for shots. That's a bit much imo.
 

bmdubya

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Nov 1, 2017
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Colorado
Probably, but I also like meeting up with friends at bars or breweries. Like on a Friday night after a week of work, it's relaxing to let loose a bit, meet up with friends, grab a few drinks, maybe grab some dinner as well, and just catch up and unwind from the week. I know some people who don't like to do that, so instead they'll have like game nights or something. I think it just depends on the dynamic of your friend group.
 

tata toothy

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Dec 24, 2017
887
Being around alcohol lately just makes me wish cannabis drinks were legal and readily available everywhere.
 

Chopchop

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think it depends on who you hang out with and the age group.

I find that my friends were way more into drinking when they were younger. Now that we're all older with spouses/kids, our social activities have veered pretty far from getting drunk all the time. It's more about just meeting up and chatting these days.
 

ToddBonzalez

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Oct 27, 2017
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Alcohol really is at the center of many adult social events. It would really suck to have a drinking problem or to be dry for any other reason from a social perspective imo.