"They may end up with a military dictatorship" implies they dont already have one.
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Donald Trump has recognized Juan Guaidó as the Interim President of Venezuela
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Maduro is backed by the military. Realistically, Maduro will just call in the military to suppress the protesters and arrest the National Assembly. Which is why it's important for the U.S to threaten to further sanction Maduro and his government. For example, Senator Rubio is warning if the government fires on protesters and arrests the National Assembly, the U.S will impose further sanctions.
Liberal imperialism right there. Sanctions are literally killing Venezuelan people and the guy who's leading this coup is a right-winged comprador who is getting the support of US fascists. What the hell are you thinking?
Like Trump and Pence are supporting this, how is this not a huge warning sign already for supposed "liberals" on this site? And that's even before listening to the people who know their stuff on the geopolitics of the region. Or do non-American lives and self-determination mean fuck all when it comes to serving the interest of the US?
Canada is also backing this... This has little to do with Trump/Pence backing it.
How is it a dictatorship? At most it is a multi party state where only the left participates. Like come on people.
Does someone feel the need to explain their reasoning?
Does someone feel the need to explain their reasoning?
I know. What I'm saying is that a direct intervention (i.e. war) is highly unlikely.
Yes it's the sanctions, not the regime refusing to take humanitarian aid while Venezuelans are literally dying due to a lack of medicine and food.
A dictatorship itself implies military support, besides to me a military dictatorship is someone like General Pinochet otherwise we would call every dictatorship a military dictatorship. I'm sorry I didn't use the exact language you wanted.
Imagine saying this about anyone in the US - the fallout would be huge. But apparently other non-American countries are fine and dandy to "intervene" and kill people? What gives you the right to somehow determine who should be assassinated ?
Dude, you really need to inform yourself before posting something like this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Constituent_National_Assembly
Long story short, opposition won many seats in the National Assembly. Maduro, instead of recognizing it and working with them, declared them illegitimate and made a new assembly with his lackeys having seats.
Last year, there were 'elections'. But, of course, Maduro used fraud to reelect himself.
So please, don't come here again saying Maduro is a legitimate president or that Venezuela is living in a democracy. That's an insult to the millions of Venezuelans suffering there, trying to survive each day while Maduro, his lackeys and the military are stealing everything.
I agree, was just because of the geopolitical point you made. Don't think there is any American involvement covertly either, just diplomatic.
No one's intervening or assassinating anyone at the moment though?
Well it's because Trump opposes them.... Nothing good can come from Trump you know.
Sigh...
I'm glad many leaders are rising up against Maduro! His cruel socialist dictatorship is about to end! We South Americans have suffered long enough watching our brothers and sisters from Venezuela being murdered by the regime.
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Dont worry about the millions that already left the country because they didnt have anything to eat under their socialism
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I'm a firm Trump hater, but a lot of people probably think this is a bad thing because it's something Trump does.
I've already said it earlier in this thread: even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I mean Christ, people were frothing at the court-packing with Kavanaugh, yet we have people saying its not a dictatorship to things that would compare to Trump and the Supreme Court literally saying fuck you to Congress, and imposing their own budget without Congressional approval, or Trump literally making his own Congress. Seriously, how can anyone look at that and say, yup, democracy is fine, remove your blinders fools.
So since Guaidó wasn't elected and the Imperialismo is supporting him, it is bad? That all those Venezuelans must suffer daily because Maduro is, according to you and all those Maduro stans on Twitter, the legitimate president of Venezuela? Got it.
Not sure how to feel about this one; Maduro is assuredly not a great leader but I can only imagine that we're recognizing this interim leader is because the US and other countries can get something out of it. A tough situation. I'd also feel that the diplomats still in the country are at very high risk.
I suppose i'm not surprised that some form of statement was made. The protest images are incredible. Seems like everyone is out in the streets up in arms.
I suppose i'm not surprised that some form of statement was made. The protest images are incredible. Seems like everyone is out in the streets up in arms.
I don't even know why the US bothers in having an army anymore if they can create hyperinflation, hunger and an 80 murder rate just my imposing sanctions to key people in government.
Because some of us "supposed" liberals live in neighbor countries and are in constant contact with poor Venezuelan people who literally would rather have thrown a nuke over Caracas than stay in the way Maduro's regime is doing things.
My political view its more important than the life of millions of people
Don't act like everything is one the shoulders of Maduro, you know America has decades in experience in toppling governments. By force but also economic warfare. Venezuela and Maduro had both shaky fundamentals and bad policy but the jist of the current situation is artificial. Either due corruption (military) or hoarding/sabotage (shop owners), price maximums worsen the effect of the former.
Political view? Really? I don't care if Maduro is a socialist, communist, conservative or whatever you want to call it; Maduro is a fucking dictator, criminal and has ordered countless innocent people killed or imprisoned. The fucker needs to be removed from power, peacefully if possible.
And I agree with this about the US and its intervention in Latin American countries. Must I mention Chile and Pinochet after the US helped the military topple Allende's Government? That was disgusting, and everyone involved in that should spend their lives in jail.
Saying the situation in Venezuela is artificial is quite an insult though. You guys really need to inform yourself to know the hell that is happening right now in Venezuela.
Sanctions are a tool that hurts everyone not just the leader, but sometimes a blunt tool is the only one you have. Suspect there will be some UN involvement soon.
Having price ceilings create shortages, this is well known.
The article you posted is not about that, it just says people eat up Maduro propaganda about what is causing the shortages.
Was talking economics (the country produces enough theoretically), not human suffering. The situation is horrible and has been for a very long time, worse in some regions. There looks no end in sight soon.
How do price ceilings create shortages? Because of hoarding/illegal export to free markets. So you can't be right without me being right.
Even if the US or other countries didn't put sanctions in Venezuela, do you honestly believe the situation would be better there? Don't be so naive.
"taken out" usually implies assassination.
How is doing foreign intervention via the fascist governments in the US going to help the starving people of Venezuela? And how much does the foreign sanctions and coup attempts have had a hand in their starvation and deprivation?
Sure, Maduro is a piece of shit, but blindly following the interest of capital and shitheads like Trump is not the way to go about it. Basically:
See above.
See above
Lmao imperialists don't care about non-Americans.
It would one hundred percent be better. There is no doubt about it, it is like asking if you would be faster with less weight on you. Of course you would.
Dude, literally ANYTHING is better than Maduro. an US led dictatorship would at least be productive, Venezuela is being ran by literal monkeys that talk to birds and claim they time travel to the future.
Yeah because calling out Maduro is equal to condor plan and imperialism
Argentina took back a good part of its oil and nothing happened wonder why
This is the problem with some modern day people. They develop an "us vs them" viewpoint and are unable to see that somethings aren't in black or white.
Trump backing up the correct choice doesn't make him a good person. But his backing doesn't guarantee it's an immoral choice and you have to disagree with him and defend Maduro.
Dictatorships are bad and so far I haven't seen a single example where a dictatorship is beneficial to the country. So removing Maduro from power should be a priority, but I believe a military invasion will do more harm than good.
Leaving Maduro in power won't make the situation better in Venezuela. In fact, it will make it worse than it is now. Why millions of Venezuelans have left the country?
What about the red flags that Maduro is backed by Russia, China and Turkey?
People only care about Russia when it's about Trump or Brexit.
Facts. Shit's another episode in the age of fucked up imperialism.
I'll never trust it, however noble they think they are being.
With all that said, fuck Maduro. I just don't know what's right.
The country is capable of producing enough. It is not producing enough currently because of bad decision-making directly at the hands of Chavez/Maduro.
Price ceilings create shortages because it disincentivizes further production if costs of producing more exceed the price cap. No one's gonna voluntarily take a bath if they can avoid it. This is a basic econ 101 thing.
Maybe we should be critical of both? Basically a lot of people need to understand this simple point:
It would improve both the thread and people's understanding of a complex issue.
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NEW: White House on Maduro's order to US diplomats to leave Venezuela in 72 hours: "The order is meaningless."
Do you really think that after what I had written that you need to drop econ 101 on me? At least pretend to respect my intelligence like I do with you. Price ceilings do multiple things.
Anyway I want nobody to ever complain about international law anymore when they show to use ad-hoc reasoning to defy it when it suits them