That is a weak ass statement from Erik
This was a LAN tournament
DOTA 2 Being Review Bombed After Racist Incident
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Wouldn't protesting be more like everyone stopping spending money in game, or (god forbid) stop playing altogether? Review bombing isn't protesting, it's more like egging someone's house. If you're going to go on steam, leave a bad review, then carry on playing the game, you're not too invested on sending a message.
Fucking Valve, you know they won't do anything. Hell that Bolsonaro game is still up.
People that are trying to downplay that this was said in a pub match, so what? Valve needs to control their community, they are in charge of banning people, otherwise the report function should not even be there.
Of course Valve won't do anything, at least that shit company Riot Games made good example of the player who did this racist shit by banning him from the first half of the World Tournament back then.
People that are trying to downplay that this was said in a pub match, so what? Valve needs to control their community, they are in charge of banning people, otherwise the report function should not even be there.
Of course Valve won't do anything, at least that shit company Riot Games made good example of the player who did this racist shit by banning him from the first half of the World Tournament back then.
They can do both if Valve refuses to take proper action, and we can't say they are not. However, only review bombing is visible to us for the time being.
Seriously fuck all you people who think this isn't racist. I grew up with ignorant ass kids pulling their eyes narrow at me and chanting shit like ching chong. Fuck your dismissal of this.
EG's arteezy never calls GG anyway so they shouldn't whine.
No, arranging a DDoS attack is like egging a house. Review bombing is like protesting outside a place of business. It's visible not only to the company itself, but also the general public, and explicitly states what the message is. If your best suggestion is "don't play the game" you may as well be telling them to send their grievances straight to Valve's paper shredder.
Reminder that IceIceIce was a thing. The DotA community has a history of looking the other way when it comes to racial slurs. Skem and Kuku should be penalized for the things they said, and I would say SsaSpartan as well, but he hasn't been relevant for quite some time.
They're justified to be this angry. the inaction from both the team and valve is inexcusable
You're being dense
But Valve is mantaining that community by overseeing/sponosoring tournaments and continuing to update the game.
They are a huge part of why DotA has grown this past 6 years(or so) as the game itself.
They are responsible to respond to a player being racist. They certainly can, and if they decide to remain hands off, they're complicit in allowing the player/s continue with their problematic stances.
Y'all are lucky you don't see the local response to this incident. People have doubled down on the racist tirades and have been echoing western rightwing talking points. I wish this incident could bring up a discussion within the local community about people's absolute cluelessness when it comes to racism but it seems all it's doing is fanning the surging fascist nationalist sentiment, aided by the Philippines current precarious political relationship with China.
What a hypocrite. He does ruin pubs from time to time by breaking items.
Rofl you don't know what you're talking about. Try reading the OP next time.
I don't think the DOTA community will care, I mean they had this guy turn into one of their prominent casters after he said this
You forgot to post his apology for saying this: "it is not ok, that is rage combined with [the other player's] jokes to create a completely inappropriate comment which I am sorry for making."
People make dumb mistakes and are allowed to apologize for them.
Well this is Era lol. Their big beloved game company is more important than real social problem like racism or cultural erasure.
Also, highly focused on NA also lead them to be overly reacting on whatever racist on based on their community while people saying shit on Asian is just given a tap at the back.
this has been going on in pubs everyday, and not just filipinos. racist remarks are being thrown by everyone and it's insane. this only blew up because a pro player did it. i hope for a day where i can play and state my nationality without being called a peenoise/pignoise, indog, malayshit, etc
Well its simple, Malaysia doesn't want any Israeli entering the country. No embassy, no visa.
A game or outroar won't change that.
Most likely nothing but at least they got Valve attention.
That behaviour from the opponent though, sad world we live In.
Not so lucky. I've seen it.
I don't understand Filipino but I do understand the Chinese half of this shitstorm.
Yeah, what Tobi did was awful, and he should have been punished for it (but wasn't). He apologized, and since this incident in 2012, he hasn't said or done anything racist. It's been 6 years, I don't understand why people keep bringing this up. If he was continuing to say racist shit, then yes, he should be banned from casting at tourneys, but it was a one-time incident for which he apologized.
Valve official response
We've been spending the past few days talking to various pro players and community leaders about this. From all the interactions we've seen over the years, we know that deep down professional players respect each other immensely. However, we want to be very clear that Valve will not tolerate racist language between pro players in any form. We think it is really damaging to the entire Dota community whenever even a single professional player uses discriminatory language. It pits fans against each other, belittles and demeans entire groups and makes them feel like they are not as important. Going forward, we expect all teams who participate our tournaments to hold its players accountable, and be prepared to follow up with strong punishments when players represent Dota and its community poorly.
Not always the case. AFAIK DOTA2 is in operation in China with Perfect World as operator but uses the same steam client and servers.
so they expect teams to do it, but they're not going to commit to taking any action themselves
weak
Writing PR statements for tech companies has gotta be the easiest thing in marketing - wouldn't be surprised if it's automated.
Defense force for literally everything. I mean these idiots will try to spin the n-word as "not racist" so I suppose this shouldn't surprise me, but I still said wow.
Commit what action? Punish player after they create new rule?
edit: nvm read it wrong, thought valve saying going forward they would punish team/players
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was a little confused.I read the Filipino player has the surname Ong but I realized some filipinos may have Chinese sounding surnames but may not identify or even be Chinese or be mixed at some point in their family tree.
Why can't they at least throw a "give strong punishments or we will take action against your team/organization"? This is just deflecting to tell the teams to handle it themselves.
I had really hoped Valve would take action and promise to take action on incidents like this.
Even better I had hoped they would go one step further and go full Rainbow Six Siege on this one: Bans for racism straight up, and I'm talking about pub games too.
It lets consumers know about major controversies that are often overlooked by gaming press and reviewers.
I've used it often to find out about restrictive DRM, poor performance/bugs, bad behaviour by developers, pay-to-win monetisation etc.
People try to downplay review bombing as the "usual entitled gamers" and say it's pointless, but I will always advocate it as a form of consumer protest. People deserve to know what they're getting into when shopping for a game to play.
Don't you think the teams should be the first to install discipline and mould how their own players that they themselves pay conduct themselves in a professional basis?
It's quite right that the teams should be the first focus on how team members behave in tournaments such as this. They are representing an organisation. It's common sense, not a deflection.
I feel like they are hoping this response will put a stop to it all.
If some kid is dumb enough to test Valve then they will just make an example of them with draconian effects.
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Review bombing is useless as well as the action against it
Use it as an opportunity to teach tolerance not retribution
No culture should exert a disproportionate influence when more moderate steps including teaching and sharing cultural exchange is possible as an alternative
Use it as an opportunity to teach tolerance not retribution
No culture should exert a disproportionate influence when more moderate steps including teaching and sharing cultural exchange is possible as an alternative
China flexing it's muscle.
They are releasing Steam in China and they have a lot of tournaments and the International this year.
Yea I know why but it doesn't make it good
Nor is it good when Europe or USA does it with this look at me I'm important bullshit
Curious if this'll be a life time ban or a timed one. With China clamping down on gaming in general, expecting Valve will cater to their whims. The racist shit from the D&G incident recently prob doesn't help things either in calming things down.
The way it's going in Dota losing one year of prize money is basically a career's worth