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Dragon Ball FighterZ Discussion Thread - Rosters, Stages, DLC, etc.
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They made him really goofy here in general. When he beats Frieza he gleefully asks if he can be promoted to the Ginyu Force. I love it.
There probably hasn't been a topic more beaten to death in this topic than who the DLC is going to be (especially from people advocating for Kefla).
There's really no way to know at this point.
God willing we'll get Superman as a guest.
Hell yeah, can't wait to hear the discourse about this being pay-to-win.
That's not what happened in the .GIF though. The tweet says that he's holding block the same way the entire time, and Krillin never actually attacks. It seems the game checks your block when the assist is called and counts it as a block regardless of where the opponent's point character is by the time it hits.
We are gathered here today....
Damn. Some of the popular FGC guys were already talking shit about this game to begin with. This is just more fuel for them.
When they hear about this, The game is practically dead.
So we have two different stories on this? Or am I misreading?
Yes, but the cross-up is happening before blockstun in that video.
We are gathered here today....
Damn. Some of the popular FGC guys were already talking shit about this game to begin with. This is just more fuel for them.
When they hear about this, The game is practically dead.
lol
I think they're just two different ways to unlock them. One way's harder and the other's just a bit of a grind I guess.
Here's how it worked, quoting the Dustloop wiki.
http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=P4AU/Defense#Crossup_Guard
So basically, it didn't stop crossups, it just stopped the lowest effort crossups.
I'd imagine something similar is going on here because the devs don't want Assist > IAD to be pretty much the only mixup we see.
Lol @ cross-up protection
Do you guys have any fucking clue how stupid this game would be if assists could cross you up like that
Do you guys have any fucking clue how stupid this game would be if assists could cross you up like that
yeah
the whole meta would be jumping over people while calling an assist from one side. That would be boring as fuck.
Stupid can be fun.
But speculating that cross-up protection may kill a game before the game's even out where we can properly test things is stupid and not fun.
With the massive assist cooldowns, I doubt it would have been a major issue.
Actually, I have it on authority from notorious good opinion haver Flash Metroid that this kind of mix-up is essential for a game to have a flourishing competitive scene like MvCI.
Well yeah, it would be fun in a Mahval sort of way, which i'm personally glad DBFZ is already shying away from.
I mean you can already spend 1 bar to left-right someone, the game gives you EZ IAD, and the amount of characters with built-in high/low or innate crossup threats is honestly a bit surprising as it is.
Yuck.
While I admire the hustle, you'll probably have an easier time converting people to the gospel of VF in Tekken/DoA threads.
But don't you want this game to be taken seriously like the others?
Sure being fun game to play is #1....but it deserves to share the spotlight with the other eSports games. Being at EVO, would give this game the respect it deserves.
I could not possibly care less about anyone from the Tournament of Power, so they'd need to really make some massive changes to basically every single aspect of XV's core design to make me spend money on a third game. God, 2 was such a chore to get through.
I remember when the original game was first announced and they were kind of billing it as sort of a Dragon Ball RPG. Shame it didn't turn out that way in practice.
I'm one of the weirdos who like both, so yeah, I agree. The extra development time compared to Xenoverse 2 will make a difference.
DBZ games work on the rule of 3. For the most part the 3rd game in the series is usually the best.
Budokai 3, Tenkaichi 3, and buu's fury were the best for those particular series so I have no doubt XV3 will be dope.
Budokai 3, Tenkaichi 3, and buu's fury were the best for those particular series so I have no doubt XV3 will be dope.
So I finished the 7 course Arcade mode on Hard, took me a little over 2 hours and I got an overall grade of fucking C and so no Goku SSB unlocked (need grade A) :( in each fight I got S S A C C D C, once you lose a fight (and trust me you will) and retry, then you cant get higher than a C in that fight.
The AI on Hard mode has more health and deal more damage, if you get close to them in a fight they will combo your ass into multiple supers and take away 60-90% of your health. Even if you block low they will overhead you and still do big damage lol they only way I finished it was by spamming Super Dash into combos and supers
The AI on Hard mode has more health and deal more damage, if you get close to them in a fight they will combo your ass into multiple supers and take away 60-90% of your health. Even if you block low they will overhead you and still do big damage lol they only way I finished it was by spamming Super Dash into combos and supers
Who do you like from Super?
I played a great amount of XV2. I had no problems with it personally. I also skipped XV1 so my experience was different for most others.
Yeah that's what I'm saying. This extra development time is good. I forgot who said it but someone said it would have a lot of changes here.
Xenoverse 2 is a great game when you don't play it as a "Fighting Game" but play it as a "MMORPG".
As a huge MMORPG fan it's right up my alley.
As a huge MMORPG fan it's right up my alley.
Eh
For namco it seems to matter , My understanding is they wanted this game to be hella competitive.
So getting the Blues is probably easier by just farming Zeni?
Probably. I truly don't know if you need to save it up, or just earn it
It is weird to lock them behind a lot of work. Especially for the masses of casual players
Beerus, Hit, and New 17 are all cool in my book. So basically, as far as new-to-Super characters go, just Hit. Everyone else ranges from mediocre-at-best to awful.
XV2 just felt like a DLC expansion for the first game, was my main issue with it. It was just as janky, just as clogged with loading times and network issues as the first game, and the gameplay didn't really feel any better. The less said about the raid battles and the superboss fights, the better. It just didn't feel stable, especially in multiplayer, which is paradoxically what it was designed around.
Then again, the only reason I finished the original Xenoverse itself was because of the alt-tab bug they patched out of the PC version. I miss that bug.
About DBFZ having Cross-up protection...(imo anyway)
DBFZ seems to be going the Guilty Gear XRD route, where everyone is given some form of really stupid pressure/mixup utility innately in their kit. I think you rely less on exploiting the engine and more on just playing to your character's strengths, and the mechanics of the game help you do this (and defend against it as well by giving standard options for dealing with everyone's bullshit). This is why everyone has an airborne invulnerable 2C, a leaping overhead 6B, Frame-1 active deflect, ect.
Marvel never really feels like its designed this way, you commonly have characters on the roster that are so trash you have to wonder why they're even there. Finding working characters are more about finding teams with strategies that just break the game so hard that you just kind of have to deal with it..but it almost never feels like it's that way by deliberate design, the chips just kind of fall that way. That is essentially every fighting game's Meta, but Capcom games in particular are the only ones (IMO) where it just doesn't feel self-aware. Well, that and Smash Bros.
Anyway, Cross-up protection is just another way to avoid falling into those pitfalls unintentionally -- the game doesn't need cross-up protection for people to get hit by the options people have to open them up. Same with High/Low unblockables.
Now, Guilty Gear XRD to my knowledge also has some form of cross-up protection? But that's because it has characters like Millia who are literally designed with mixup so strong that you basically lost the round if she ever knocks you down in the corner. It's not to any detriment of the actual gameplay, it's designed around such things.
DBFZ seems to be going the Guilty Gear XRD route, where everyone is given some form of really stupid pressure/mixup utility innately in their kit. I think you rely less on exploiting the engine and more on just playing to your character's strengths, and the mechanics of the game help you do this (and defend against it as well by giving standard options for dealing with everyone's bullshit). This is why everyone has an airborne invulnerable 2C, a leaping overhead 6B, Frame-1 active deflect, ect.
Marvel never really feels like its designed this way, you commonly have characters on the roster that are so trash you have to wonder why they're even there. Finding working characters are more about finding teams with strategies that just break the game so hard that you just kind of have to deal with it..but it almost never feels like it's that way by deliberate design, the chips just kind of fall that way. That is essentially every fighting game's Meta, but Capcom games in particular are the only ones (IMO) where it just doesn't feel self-aware. Well, that and Smash Bros.
Anyway, Cross-up protection is just another way to avoid falling into those pitfalls unintentionally -- the game doesn't need cross-up protection for people to get hit by the options people have to open them up. Same with High/Low unblockables.
Now, Guilty Gear XRD to my knowledge also has some form of cross-up protection? But that's because it has characters like Millia who are literally designed with mixup so strong that you basically lost the round if she ever knocks you down in the corner. It's not to any detriment of the actual gameplay, it's designed around such things.
Good call. Whis is fine too! But I don't consider him a new to Super character either because BoG was a thing long before Super was.
That's physically impossible.
I'm not entirely sure about that, a Millia player was doing the disc into IAD crossup and it kept working even when I did my best to block :(
though Under Night certainly has crossup protection but then again, that game also has this.
I unlocked Vegeta through the 4 fight course on Hard mode, which was nowhere as difficult as the one needed for Goku. I just wonder how much Zeni is actually needed
I was literally thinking of this when i typed that lol because it absolutely works
then i saw this *shrug*
It would seem that that only applies on wakeup.
"AtTheGates notes below there is crossup protection in this game on wakeup - if the player holds forward (holding back won't work) he'll block both directions."
EDIT: To be fair, the Millia example I mentioned was also blown up by wakeup DPs with Ky that were done on the same side I originally was in so that means that true meaty crossups are not gonna work, they have to be delayed by at most a few frames.
Damn, no love for Whis? I thought he's great but understandable as those as some of the best new characters. Why don't you like Goku Black?
But yeah I can understand why you'd dislike XV2 as those were some of the concerns I've heard from others. I'm sure my experience would be different if I didn't play XV1 or at least a little different. Last I heard someone said they were really changing things around with XV3 and making it more legit so we'll see if those rumors were true.
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