• Light/Dark
  • Ever wanted an RSS feed of all your favorite gaming news sites? Go check out our new Gaming Headlines feed! Read more about it here.
  • We have made minor adjustments to how the search bar works on ResetEra. You can read about the changes here.

Dungeon & Fighters - New Fighting game by Arc System Works announced.

convo

convo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,460
The attached IP doesn't ring any bells but that's not really what matters to a good fighting game, if it's good and follows the good practices people are clamoring for like actually usable netcode and online play people shouldn't have anything against trying it. People have Catherine tournaments i think you'll find some people. This and Granblue seem like some extra marketing for those games they advertise for but Arcsys does make the usual effort, i think these games aren't pressured to be blockbuster releases.
 
Firestorm

Firestorm

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,712
Vancouver, BC
The amount of people who haven't heard of one of the highest grossing games of our time is a pretty good example of how clueless Era is about the video game industry.
 
Sargerus

Sargerus

▲ Legend ▲
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
20,941
MysticGon said:
Who's next for us to adapt.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I still dream of a JoJo Fighters
D2N49GbUgAEl_ZV.jpg
 

Look over there

Member
Nov 1, 2020
685
Firestorm said:
The amount of people who haven't heard of one of the highest grossing games of our time is a pretty good example of how clueless Era is about the video game industry.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
It's less Era vs the industry and more... west vs east in general. More specifically, Korea can be more of an unknown for those who don't already follow their scene through esports. And the Sinosphere tends to be locked off from the Anglosphere in general.
 
Firestorm

Firestorm

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,712
Vancouver, BC
Look over there said:
It's less Era vs the industry and more... west vs east in general. More specifically, Korea can be more of an unknown for those who don't already follow their scene through esports. And the Sinosphere tends to be locked off from the Anglosphere in general.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Stuff like Maple Story and Ragnarok Online were pretty big when I was growing up though. I don't mind "I haven't personally been exposed to this but it seems big" but some of the "why would they possibly do this" is pretty eye-rolly. It's been huge for years and basically anything talking about the biggest games of the year would show that. With people like ZhugeEX around it's easier than ever to get reports from China too.
 
FluxWaveZ

FluxWaveZ

Persona Central
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
10,901
Firestorm said:
Stuff like Maple Story and Ragnarok Online were pretty big when I was growing up though. I don't mind "I haven't personally been exposed to this but it seems big" but some of the "why would they possibly do this" is pretty eye-rolly. It's been huge for years and basically anything talking about the biggest games of the year would show that. With people like ZhugeEX around it's easier than ever to get reports from China too.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
When it comes to fighting games, that East vs. West distinction does matter, though. Like, it's part of the reason (next to the online) for why GBVS is relatively floundering in the West while it's still plenty active in Japan.

They're not gonna be able to capture a worldwide audience like they did with FighterZ again unless they get a property that properly resonates with both.
 

Look over there

Member
Nov 1, 2020
685
Firestorm said:
Stuff like Maple Story and Ragnarok Online were pretty big when I was growing up though. I don't mind "I haven't personally been exposed to this but it seems big" but some of the "why would they possibly do this" is pretty eye-rolly. It's been huge for years and basically anything talking about the biggest games of the year would show that. With people like ZhugeEX around it's easier than ever to get reports from China too.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Maple Story and RO did blow up out here (where 'here' vaguely means 'Anglosphere') back then, and whatever recognition they would have in western communities would be based off of that past, unrelated to whatever their success in home and other regions may be. I don't recall DFO ever reaching those heights here, and I myself played DFO for a bit.
Sometimes properties just have major regional splits in recognition like that. Like say... Saint Seiya, compare and contrast its popularity in Latin America versus USA+(Canada maybe). Or Captain Tsubasa and the USA versus the football playing world.
 
Stowaway Silfer

Stowaway Silfer

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
32,819
JusDoIt said:
ASW style is starting to feel generic. I'll give the game a shot, because this is just a teaser, but this is the least exciting teaser from them yet.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I was thinking while watching the trailer "it's crazy that this doesn't blow my mind anymore". Habituation is a crazy thing. Though this common aesthetic recent ASW games share is one of my favorites in games, regardless of how repeatedly I see it.
 
eso76

eso76

Prophet of Truth
Member
Dec 8, 2017
8,170
looks lovely, but I wish Arc did something else with those skills and that engine.
 
Heh

Heh

Member
Dec 12, 2017
611
So subclasses from the trailer are:

M. Slayer - Berserker (Playable)
F. Slayer -
M., Fighter - Male Grappler (Playable)
F. Fighter - Female Striker (Playable)
M. Gunner - Male Ranger (Playable)
F. Gunner -
M. Mage -
F. Mage -
M. Priest -
F. Priest - Inquisitor (Playable)
Creator -
Dark Knight -
Demonic Lancer - Impaler (0:08),
Knight - Lightbringer (0:06)
Thief - Shiranui (0:07)
Agent - Hitman (0:05)

Interesting to note that Thief has the Kunoichi's Second Awakening, while the rest are in their First.
 
FluxWaveZ

FluxWaveZ

Persona Central
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
10,901
Certainly, this is the inflexion point for ASW where if this does not have rollback, I won't even consider trying it out. But with Strive, there's a good chance of it, at least.
 
ElBoxy

ElBoxy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
14,255
Hey, I played that MMO for like 2 weeks a long time ago. I played as the gunslinger class. I remember liking it but I didn't have the time and money to commit to it back then.
 
Last edited:

Kyo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
180
FluxWaveZ said:
When it comes to fighting games, that East vs. West distinction does matter, though. Like, it's part of the reason (next to the online) for why GBVS is relatively floundering in the West while it's still plenty active in Japan.

They're not gonna be able to capture a worldwide audience like they did with FighterZ again unless they get a property that properly resonates with both.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I get the idea of ASW itself possibly wanting to put its thumb on the scale if it could, but I also kind of doubt ASW has that much room to pick and choose which major multimillion-dollar IP to support with making a fighting game when those companies come in with offers. Especially when their arcade/cabinet revenue stream has likely withered to peanuts in the past few years.
 
Whales

Whales

"This guy are sick"
Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,265
I still play dfo daily since its global re-release and I even played in the nexon days too. this franchise is probably one of my favorites of all time. im hyped
 
Chaos2Frozen

Chaos2Frozen

Member
Nov 3, 2017
28,138
Holy shit that looks exactly like Xrd.

I'm sure people said that for DBFZ and GBVS, but come on- that looks EXACTLY like Xrd.
 
atlans89

atlans89

Member
Oct 25, 2017
696
No point in worrying if this game being popular in the west or not since they announced it at their own fes, which practically implied clearly who their audience are. I expect it would be localized in Chinese and Japanese at least, this IP was huge in China when you used to live there.
 
RLCC14

RLCC14

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,447
P5S being a thing means that an Arena game will never, ever happen again.

But anyways this is probably a way to get the west into DFO (again) and put the franchise on consoles without putting in the effort to somehow port over the game to modern consoles.
 
atlans89

atlans89

Member
Oct 25, 2017
696
OmegaSmash said:
P5S being a thing means that an Arena game will never, ever happen again.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Agreed. That game sold 480k in Japan/Asia alone, meanwhile P4A/Ultimax sold somewhere 350k lifetime combined. Worth to mention P5S's gameplay is more accessible and the potential to milk is huge with cosmetic, which are big minus for ArcSys' game.
I also know ppl cry for Fate fighter, but the current arcade is doing well at bleeding other's wallet, why make a risky venture when you can learn some lesson from GBVS.
 
JusDoIt

JusDoIt

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 25, 2017
35,252
South Central Los Angeles
Silfer said:
I was thinking while watching the trailer "it's crazy that this doesn't blow my mind anymore". Habituation is a crazy thing. Though this common aesthetic recent ASW games share is one of my favorites in games, regardless of how repeatedly I see it.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I think their technique is still incredibly impressive, arguably the best in class, but their aesthetic is not. Their designs and settings kinda all blur together. Which is not entirely their fault for this game since it's licensed, but still.
 
Het_Nkik

Het_Nkik

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,426
I remember playing DFO like 10 years ago. I guess they really expanded the character roster since I played.

EDIT: There are character classes now!? Man. Back when I played I was like, "Yay, online Streets of Rage where you level up." How times have changed.
 
Harmony

Harmony

Member
Dec 1, 2019
660
Japan
Been on a bit of a nostalgia train since this got announced.

I hope they bring back some of the original PvP maps and remaster the music. It's great stuff.






And here's the original ver. of the music from the trailer:

 
Last edited:
spman2099

spman2099

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,897
FluxWaveZ said:
Certainly, this is the inflexion point for ASW where if this does not have rollback, I won't even consider trying it out. But with Strive, there's a good chance of it, at least.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I agree with that. I think I am going to need rollback from this point onward. I think it is time. I feel it coming. People are completely fed up. This is going to become the new standard.
 

lupinko

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,154
Kyo said:
I get the idea of ASW itself possibly wanting to put its thumb on the scale if it could, but I also kind of doubt ASW has that much room to pick and choose which major multimillion-dollar IP to support with making a fighting game when those companies come in with offers. Especially when their arcade/cabinet revenue stream has likely withered to peanuts in the past few years.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

ASW's modern arcade games are only available via arcade download service. They don't make profit from selling boards or discs or carts anymore, and they haven't done so in many years. It really depends on how much Taito and Sega pays them to have Blazblue and Guilty Gear on Nesica and ALL.NET.
 
shadowman16

shadowman16

Member
Oct 25, 2017
32,328
Garrod Ran said:
Capcom can't because Bandai Namco owns the license 😭

i can't stand their monopoly over "anime shit i just want good games of"

but nooo

we get arena fighters and fuckin' jojo fortnite
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Yup. I feel your pain :( They basically hold Jojo and One Piece hostage and we get shit like Jump Force and that weird looking Jojo arcade game. I'd take a sequel to the PS3 one on one fighter at this point - it looked good! Add more characters, an actual one player mode and double the FPS to 60FPS and it'd at least be a fun fighter. But I'd really prefer ASW, Capcom etc. to get the license and do something cool with it, but we all know that will not happen.
 

lupinko

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,154
Garrod Ran said:
Capcom can't because Bandai Namco owns the license 😭

i can't stand their monopoly over "anime shit i just want good games of"

but nooo

we get arena fighters and fuckin' jojo fortnite
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Capcom can still make the JoJo game, but Bamco would have to publish and distribute it. Capcom used to have this arrangement for many years with Bamco for Gundam VS. Until Bamco realized why should they keep paying Capcom when they could just poach Capcom's arcade/Gundam staff, which they did. lol
 
Dark Ninja

Dark Ninja

Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,077
After Gran Blue yep not buying any Arcsys game that doesn't have crossplay the playerbase is too small cant even see how bad your netcode is when I cant find a match.
 
Last edited:
Mesoian

Mesoian

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 28, 2017
26,852
OmegaSmash said:
P5S being a thing means that an Arena game will never, ever happen again.

But anyways this is probably a way to get the west into DFO (again) and put the franchise on consoles without putting in the effort to somehow port over the game to modern consoles.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

What? Why? P5S has been out in japan for a year.
 

Kyo

Member
Oct 25, 2017
180
lupinko said:
ASW's modern arcade games are only available via arcade download service. They don't make profit from selling boards or discs or carts anymore, and they haven't done so in many years. It really depends on how much Taito and Sega pays them to have Blazblue and Guilty Gear on Nesica and ALL.NET.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Thanks for the clarification. Yeah, I don't know enough to compare that model from the current one in terms of making money, outside the decline of arcades and now the pandemic surely hurting either way.

I do still think a good part of ASW's current fortune is tied pretty heavily to delivering on games like these.
 
OrochiJR

OrochiJR

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,682
Chaos2Frozen said:
Holy shit that looks exactly like Xrd.

I'm sure people said that for DBFZ and GBVS, but come on- that looks EXACTLY like Xrd.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
My thoughts. It looks (and sounds) like GG Xrd, just with Granblue Fantasy Versus-style JRPG characters. Kinda makes me wonder why they do such a similar game to their already established IPs when Granblue is still kicking and Strive will drop next year.

But more high quality fighting games are always a good thing, bring back the 90s with multiple games per year. :D
 
RLCC14

RLCC14

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
2,447
spman2099 said:
I could see their point if Atlus hadn't shown a willingness to make a million spinoff games for Persona in the past.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
P5S does the same job that Arena did, a way to let people directly control their favorite characters from the original game in a canon follow up, only it does so in a genre that works a lot better with the audience that plays Persona. A musou will always sell more than a fighting game, which is why that's what they went for with Scramble.
 
Gold Arsene

Gold Arsene

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
30,757
OmegaSmash said:
P5S does the same job that Arena did, a way to let people directly control their favorite characters from the original game in a canon follow up, only it does so in a genre that works a lot better with the audience that plays Persona. A musou will always sell more than a fighting game, which is why that's what they went for with Scramble.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
So you think we're more likely to get a Strikers 2 then a 5 Arena? I guess I can see that.
 

lupinko

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,154
What Sega should do is ask/pay ASW to make a Persona x Power Instinct fighting game. It would solve so many problems.
 
Chucker

Chucker

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,366
Maryland
This game could be the best fighter ever but if it has the trash ASW lobby I'll leave it on the shelf.
Can't stand that shit.
 
y2kyle89

y2kyle89

Member
Mar 16, 2018
9,581
Mass
Heh said:
So subclasses from the trailer are:

M. Slayer - Berserker (Playable)
F. Slayer -
M., Fighter - Male Grappler (Playable)
F. Fighter - Female Striker (Playable)
M. Gunner - Male Ranger (Playable)
F. Gunner -
M. Mage -
F. Mage -
M. Priest -
F. Priest - Inquisitor (Playable)
Creator -
Dark Knight -
Demonic Lancer - Impaler (0:08),
Knight - Lightbringer (0:06)
Thief - Shiranui (0:07)
Agent - Hitman (0:05)

Interesting to note that Thief has the Kunoichi's Second Awakening, while the rest are in their First.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
A: This is a super useful post. Thank you for making it.
B: Why do all the characters seem to have art with them as fish?
 
Gold Arsene

Gold Arsene

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
30,757
Host Samurai said:
A JoJo fighting game would be a perfect compromise to a potential Persona Arena sequel
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
It really wouldn't, there two different series, why should I as a Persona fan care if a series I don't like as much gets a fighter? Like cool, it'd probably be a good game but it does nothing for the Persona part of me.

And as I've brought up several times in the past an Arc Jojo fighter isn't a good idea unless they based it on just one part, otherwise your entire starting roster would just be main Jojo+villain.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.