Explain to the class what makes you responsible versus everyone else
I spent most of my money after graduation paying off student loans. I made sure I got a degree in a field that allowed me to get a job to pay back my loans.
Explain to the class what makes you responsible versus everyone else
I spent most of my money after graduation paying off student loans. I made sure I got a degree in a field that allowed me to get a job to pay back my loans.
No, and apparently even asking this question makes you a RepublicanOkay, what about the college graduates who have thrown their hard earned money at their student debt? Will they receive reimbursement?
Okay, what about the college graduates who have thrown their hard earned money at their student debt? Will they receive reimbursement?
It seems like she's trying to get votes with empty promises, ala Bernie in the 2016 primary. Is there any realistic chance of this being passed at all?
Don't do this "got mine, fuck you" stuff. It's not a good look.
I have a graduate-level degree in engineering and have paid off all but a tiny remainder of the $135k that I wound up borrowing for my 7 years of higher education. But I don't people who follow me to be trapped by hyper-inflated university costs that are out of their control and an immense life decision at 16/17 years old that can essentially indenture them for decades after.
I did too. Guess what? So what.I spent most of my money after graduation paying off student loans. I made sure I got a degree in a field that allowed me to get a job to pay back my loans.
This is my question as well. I realize I am being petty, but I lived like a DOG with multiple roommates and spend a LOT of my money paying off my loans. If I had saved that money, I could be buying a house right now.
That 8% is compound interest, so it grows MUCH MORE QUICKLY than your investments. 401k growth is expected to tank and NOT see the returns we have in the past.
You could have also bought a lottery ticket, or bought a bunch of bitcoin at $1.00. Unfortunately, humans do not have pre-cognition so predicting things like this is impossible. No reason to kick yourself for making the safe bet.
"apparently"? What is that supposed to mean?No, and apparently even asking this question makes you a Republican
because I never thought student debt forgiveness would be a reality and if I knew it was then I would hold off on it for longer.Why would they?
That's like asking if peoples medical expenses get paid off if we implement M4A
People vote based on policies that directly affect them, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Buying votes is literally giving money in exchange for a vote, whereas this is introducing policy that will gain you support...which is how politics is supposed to work.Isn't this a little like buying votes? Like yeah if you give me 50 grand I'll vote for you? I'm not saying that student loans aren't enormous and a huge problem, but people here seem to be saying this is a good idea mainly because it directly affects them.
It's dumb and in bad faith to assume that everyone or even most people who graduated with debt is making six figures. The vast vast majority of people who will benefit from her plan do not make close to $100k. And frankly depending where you live (usually where you could get a job with six figures) $100k is not that much money.Please, go ahead and educate us on how handing out $50K windfalls to college educated people earning $100K salaries is better than investing that money in preschool and daycare for poor parents struggling to balance work and family or getting the homeless off the street, cleaned up and into productive employment.
Pro-tip: You can use catchy college terms like "trickle down" to shut us up.
While it's nice to think about this is kind of bullshit. What do we do about the the responsible people that went to school and got degrees and worked their asses off to pay them off? What am I getting for being a responsible citizen? Do I get reimbursed for the loans I paid off?
Yeah, bunch of people crawl out of the woodwork to shit on this idea every time a thread pops up.Blows my mind that people are really sour on this idea because they already went to college and paid off their loans. Fuck improving the quality of life for struggling Americans, where's my government handout?
Like, ya'll understand that unless you're obscenely wealthy, this plan doesn't even affect you at all right? Literal "fuck you, got mine" in this thread. And Era gets called a "liberal hivemind" haha.
It is expected to grow around 3% for the next 10 years: https://advisors.vanguard.com/VGApp...518:TW:XX:XX:XX:sf192612203&sf192612203=1What are you even talking about with 401k?. 401k plans invest in markets. Some plans offer dozens of funds. Some plans let you invest in anything you want. Some people will invest in domestic, some people will invest in international. I'll go out on a limb and say that most 401k plans are invested in domestic (usa) type funds. So the market is not expected to perform well over what exactly? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years?
Also, I don't think you know what compound interest is.
Well, if your policy positions can be summed up as 'I got fucked so everyone should get fucked too' then you're pretty close to Republican.No, and apparently even asking this question makes you a Republican
People care about stuff that directly benefits them.Blows my mind that people are really sour on this idea because they already went to college and paid off their loans. Fuck improving the quality of life for struggling Americans, where's my government handout?
Like, ya'll understand that unless you're obscenely wealthy, this plan doesn't even affect you at all right? Literal "fuck you, got mine" in this thread. And Era gets called a "liberal hivemind" haha.
So do you think that professions that require higher education and sometimes multiple degrees, but are public service positions and thus pay significantly less than private sector work are just full of irresponsible people or something? Teachers, librarians, social workers, non-profit workers, etc. Keep in mind, the government promised these people that a significant portion of their student loan debt would be forgiven in exchange for their public service, a promise that the government has since refused to make good on. Your attitude is nothing more than "fuck you, got mine".I spent most of my money after graduation paying off student loans. I made sure I got a degree in a field that allowed me to get a job to pay back my loans.
Yeah because fuck people who pursue the fine arts.Because I think the 100k in debt that someone got for their art degree that the government would spend would be better spent on a hundred other things.
Yea, pushing your allies away because they may not support this one particular policy is a really good idea.Well, if your policy positions can be summed up as 'I got fucked so everyone should get fucked too' then you're pretty close to Republican.
I did. Your reading skills and you math skills were found wanting.
If you are unwilling to support a policy position because it doesn't directly benefit you, even though it DOES benefit millions of struggling Americans and would improve society overall immensely, then you are not progressive.People care about stuff that directly benefits them.
People can be profoundly liberal and still dislike this plan. It's not a requirement that someone support this very specific plan from this one politician, otherwise they're not liberal, and doing that sort of inane labeling just pushes people away
Someone who only supports liberal policies that directly benefit themselves isn't really a liberal in my eyesPeople care about stuff that directly benefits them.
People can be profoundly liberal and still dislike this plan. It's not a requirement that someone support this very specific plan from this one politician, otherwise they're not liberal, and doing that sort of inane labeling just pushes people away
Okay, if they're not progressive I guess they'll just go vote Republican. Might as well, right? Since they're not liberal.If you are unwilling to support a policy position because it doesn't directly benefit you, even though it DOES benefit millions of struggling Americans and would improve society overall immensely, then you are not progressive.
I mean if your down stuff like that are you really allies?Okay, if they're not progressive I guess they'll just go vote Republican. Might as well, right? Since they're not liberal.
Between this thread and the rich liberal thread, liberals are really good at pushing away their allies.
Yes?
How do you realistically do something about student loan debt that doesn't involve debt forgiveness?Yes?
Just because they don't check very specific policy boxes doesn't mean they don't agree that something needs to be done about student loan debt.