Entire staff of the Nevada Democratic Party quits after democratic socialist slate won every seat

Deleted member 2699 · Mar 10, 2021

Kangi said:
Hand-wringing abounded when one was propped up at a protest against Bezos so yes they are unironically upset especially when it's an easy tee up for good ol' infighting

Wait, for real? LOOOOOOOOOOOL. Imagine getting upset about a guillotine outside of JEFF BEZOS's house. Couldn't be me.

Hodgy said:
Hey lets not misrepresent people here. I think there is a difference between memeing about guillotines somewhere like here and another thing when it starts comping from political officials with power.

i dont think anyone has a problem with them as jokes here. just when a party official starts doing it, its a very different look that honestly im not comfortable with.

I mean it's not like this AOC or Bernie. These are behind the scenes people that realistically no one but weirdos like us will ever here of. All the memes tell me is that they are real ones.

Charlotte Lucas · Mar 10, 2021

samoyed said:
😂
Dunno why Ralston seems so mad.

lol based

'3y Kingdom · Mar 10, 2021

Good luck to the new guard. I used to know a few of them and they were nice people. Not a fan of the brash and ironic messaging that's coming out so far, but they're still riding a wave of euphoria after pulling off a major electoral coup, and will need a little time to settle into their new roles. Hopefully they're able to strike the balance necessary to appeal to the whole state, rather than just their base.

dabig2 · Mar 10, 2021

Royalan said:
But, as someone with a messaging background, who understands that Democrats win when they cast as wide a net as possible and speak to the full Democratic electorate...I can't help but see the guillotine talk as ineffective. It's highly specific, aimed at a loud, young, and largely online group.

That's cool and all, but this will always be cooler.

Um, the people of Puerto Rico are carrying a guillotine to the Governor's mansion right now.

Holy shit Puerto Rico just brought a guillotine to the Governor's mansion for their #BlackLivesMatter
protest.

Anyways, so much discussion over a single damn throwaway joke tweet from some who-gives-a-shit. It's not that big of a deal.

DryCreek · Mar 10, 2021

A Syrian Communist · Mar 10, 2021

Fantastapotamus said:
Yeah, I wonder why South America in particular is right wing, weird huh.

Right Wingedness is stored in the melanin I think, according to this pic

Mulligan · Mar 10, 2021

Mr_Antimatter said:
they don't care on the right that you fix anything so long as you actively hurt the left somehow.

You're missing the point.

The right and the commentariat class create culture wars. The right wing voting class then views that bullshit culture war as a problem. Trump comes in and says he's going to win the culture war through executive orders, saying, "Merry Christmas," etc. To the right, Trump solved those problems.

However, most people don't give a shit about culture wars or guillotines. They care about material issues. The Democrats speak to those material concerns (debt, healthcare, education, food.) but then always find excuses why they can't solve those problems. For fucks sake they had a supermajority in 20 and somehow they couldn't pass a public option or a substantial increase in the minimum wage.

There's culture war victories for the Republican base, and niceties and excuses for the Democratic base. The problem is that both of these solutions don't actually fix the material concerns of the masses; and if those are the only two options people will either choose to be sociopaths since at least the GOP wins the manufactured culture wars or to not vote at all.

If Democrats want to actually win they need to start engaging in material politics. If they say they're going to give $2000 checks (after Trump said it first) then they actually have to do it. If they believe healthcare is a human right, then they have to pass legislation that backs that up.

Codeblue · Mar 10, 2021

Sami said:
Right Wingedness is stored in the melanin I think, according to this pic

Still awaiting the results from the bomb therapy trials in the Middle East to see if our homelands can be democratized.

Deleted member 4614 · Mar 10, 2021

Interesting that socialists are lecturing democrats on "material politics" when democrats just passed a bill that will reduce child poverty by half, thanks in part to the efforts of people like the NV Dems to win senate seats in purple states like Nevada.

kradical · Mar 10, 2021

Guillotine memes are highly effective at boiling lib's piss, and therefore unequivocally a good thing.

Deleted member 198 · Mar 10, 2021

kradical said:
Guillotine memes are highly effective at boiling lib's piss, and therefore unequivocally a good thing.

Ah yes, owning the libs is crucial to improving the material conditions of the working class.

kradical · Mar 10, 2021

exMage said:
Ah yes, owning the libs is crucial to improving the material conditions of the working class.

No, but it's a fun distraction in the meantime.

Deleted member 24149 · Mar 10, 2021

Plumbob said:
Interesting that socialists are lecturing democrats on "material politics" when democrats just passed a bill that will reduce child poverty by half, thanks in part to the efforts of people like the NV Dems to win senate seats in purple states like Nevada.

1. It reduced child poverty by half for one year
2. The socialists who won were already part of NV Dems. She previously chaired for Clark County

Like this entire had been embarassing and a shitshow. Judith didn't just fucking appear out of a fucking vacuum.

Judith Whitmer – Clark County Democratic Party

clarkdems.com

Previous political experience includes field organizing, canvassing and phone banking as a volunteer for Barack Obama's 2008 and 2012 Presidential campaigns and Martin O'Malley's Maryland Gubernatorial campaigns. Locally, Judith has worked on Nevada Assembly and Senate campaigns, volunteered for Nevada Congressional campaigns and organized fundraising events for a city council race. Through her fundraising efforts, the CCDP raised $100,000 during the last term. Judith looks forward to building on that success during the new 2019-2020 term.

Deleted member 198 · Mar 10, 2021

kradical said:
No, but it's a fun distraction in the meantime.

Cool so you admit there is no material benefit or even any benefit at all from it.

kradical · Mar 10, 2021

exMage said:
Cool so you admit there is no material benefit or even any benefit at all from it.

The benefit for me is I'm enjoying seeing your piss get boiled.

Deleted member 198 · Mar 10, 2021

kradical said:
The benefit for me is I'm enjoying seeing your piss get boiled.

K

kradical · Mar 10, 2021

exMage said:
You're the reason we lose elections.

Who's we?

'3y Kingdom · Mar 10, 2021

kradical said:
Who's we?

non-fascists

Deleted member 198 · Mar 10, 2021

kradical said:
Who's we?

I really didn't want to continue engaging, which is why I edited my post, but if you want me to clarify I'd say collectively the broader left, progressives, etc. People like you would rather argue on the internet and care more about owning the libs than any beneficial political action. Absolutely no ground is gained or minds changed and you only damage the image of actual progressives.

rjinaz · Mar 10, 2021

At first I thought Trump supporters were returning to era when I entered this thread. I was owned properly. Carry on.

samoyed · Mar 10, 2021

By the way, she didn't make the guillotine meme, she retweeted it.

If your stance is the co-chair of the Nevada DSA retweeting a guillotine meme might cost us votes you should probably log off. Even if that were the case I would argue the youth outreach would negate the questionable loss.

kradical · Mar 10, 2021

exMage said:
I really didn't want to continue engaging, which is why I edited my post, but if you want me to clarify I'd say collectively the broader left, progressives, etc. People like you would rather argue on the internet and care more about owning the libs than any beneficial political action. Absolutely no ground is gained or minds changed and you only damage the image of actual progressives.

piss status=boiled

Thatonedice1 · Mar 10, 2021

samoyed said:
😂
Dunno why Ralston seems so mad.

Based.

Codeblue · Mar 10, 2021

exMage said:
I really didn't want to continue engaging, which is why I edited my post, but if you want me to clarify I'd say collectively the broader left, progressives, etc. People like you would rather argue on the internet and care more about owning the libs than any beneficial political action. Absolutely no ground is gained or minds changed and you only damage the image of actual progressives.

We're all on a this video game website using a long obsolete mode of communication arguing about guillotine memes.

I don't feel like any of us have real standing to accuse anyone of wanting to argue on the internet for no material gain.

less · Mar 10, 2021

I'm not surprised that this thread managed to hit nearly 500 posts but this story shouldn't have gotten anywhere near as much attention as it has.

The people coming into office already were part of NV Dems from what I've read and have had success. I wish them the best of luck in keeping NV blue.

samoyed · Mar 10, 2021

As a reminder, this thread was set off by the financial undermining of an incoming rival political sect by the previous sect.

Material impact: Siphoning $450,000 from a group bank account
Nonmaterial impact: Retweeting guillotine memes

Deleted member 2145 · Mar 10, 2021

samoyed said:
As a reminder, this thread was set off by the financial undermining of an incoming rival political sect by the previous sect.

Material impact: Siphoning $450,000 from a group bank account
Nonmaterial impact: Retweeting guillotine memes

it's not surprising that the first available derail was seized

Charlotte Lucas · Mar 10, 2021

samoyed said:
As a reminder, this thread was set off by the financial undermining of an incoming rival political sect by the previous sect.

Material impact: Siphoning $450,000 from a group bank account
Nonmaterial impact: Retweeting guillotine memes

i'm sincerely hoping for the incoming staff's success

its incredibly petty for the previous admin to quit and take their money with them

Trey · Mar 10, 2021

samoyed said:
As a reminder, this thread was set off by the financial undermining of an incoming rival political sect by the previous sect.

Material impact: Siphoning $450,000 from a group bank account
Nonmaterial impact: Retweeting guillotine memes

They raised the money, and they sent it to the candidate they raised it for in part before the election results were even announced. Everyone knew beforehand how voting would shake out given the pledged loyalties from the committee members.

I'm sure leaving half a million to an incoming administration would have been a nice gesture, but hardly a necessary one. This will be doubly true if the People's Democratic Party of NV ends up primarying Senator Masto in 2022.

Mulligan · Mar 10, 2021

samoyed said:
As a reminder, this thread was set off by the financial undermining of an incoming rival political sect by the previous sect.

Material impact: Siphoning $450,000 from a group bank account
Nonmaterial impact: Retweeting guillotine memes

Culture wars are extremely useful as a distraction.

Deleted member 24149 · Mar 10, 2021

Trey said:
I'm sure leaving half a million to an incoming administration would have been a nice gesture, but hardly a necessary one. This will be doubly true if the People's Democratic Party of NV ends up primarying Senator Masto in 2022.

Its $450,000 being siphoned from NV Dems and handed to the DSCC. The DSCC has said they're using it on the incumbent. This is money that could potentially be used against a primary challenger and not the general for all we know.

Unknown Unknown · Mar 10, 2021

Adding a dimension to launching the guilotweet could have avoided some of the pearl clutching and patronizing. A staffer firing off in the comments and boost with the main account making some sort of comment that could be read two ways.

Good sign of new direction nonetheless. That's taking the reins. From an outside perspective politics in the US seems about getting and keeping attention which they seem to be doing.

They'll make up for the money "theft" and build a strategic team. Looking forward to seeing what they do.

A Syrian Communist · Mar 10, 2021

samoyed said:
As a reminder, this thread was set off by the financial undermining of an incoming rival political sect by the previous sect.

Material impact: Siphoning $450,000 from a group bank account
Nonmaterial impact: Retweeting guillotine memes

Siphoning that much money after losing is so fucking scummy.

Trey · Mar 10, 2021

Fiye said:
Its $450,000 being siphoned from NV Dems and handed to the DSCC. The DSCC has said they're using it on the incumbent. This is money that could potentially be used against a primary challenger and not the general for all we know.

Right. The incumbent the people who raised that money to begin with got elected and currently support. Why is it so hard to believe that an official act by a state party that raised the money to begin with be sent to the person they raised it for?

Deleted member 24149 · Mar 10, 2021

Trey said:
Right. The incumbent the people who raised that money to begin with got elected and currently support. Why is it so hard to believe that an official act by a state party that raised the money to begin with be sent to the person they raised it for?

They didn't raise that money for Catherine's campaign though? If they did I'd like to see receipts.

GYODX · Mar 10, 2021

Mulligan said:
You're missing the point.

The right and the commentariat class create culture wars. The right wing voting class then views that bullshit culture war as a problem. Trump comes in and says he's going to win the culture war through executive orders, saying, "Merry Christmas," etc. To the right, Trump solved those problems.

However, most people don't give a shit about culture wars or guillotines. They care about material issues. The Democrats speak to those material concerns (debt, healthcare, education, food.) but then always find excuses why they can't solve those problems. For fucks sake they had a supermajority in 20 and somehow they couldn't pass a public option or a substantial increase in the minimum wage.

There's culture war victories for the Republican base, and niceties and excuses for the Democratic base. The problem is that both of these solutions don't actually fix the material concerns of the masses; and if those are the only two options people will either choose to be sociopaths since at least the GOP wins the manufactured culture wars or to not vote at all.

If Democrats want to actually win they need to start engaging in material politics. If they say they're going to give $2000 checks (after Trump said it first) then they actually have to do it. If they believe healthcare is a human right, then they have to pass legislation that backs that up.

What world do you live in where reducing Black poverty by 42% with one bill doesn't qualify as attending to people's material conditions?

But hey, "where's my $2000?!"

Deleted member 24149 · Mar 10, 2021

GYODX said:
What world do you live in where reducing Black poverty by 42% with one bill doesn't qualify as attending to people's material conditions?

But hey, "where's my $2000?!"

Can't wait to see that statistic next year when all the benefits expire.

Trey · Mar 10, 2021

Fiye said:
They didn't raise that money for Catherine's campaign though? If they did I'd like to see receipts.

If it's money from the general fund, then it's their money to do with as they please, and includes funding everything under their leadership's purview. I could see the outrage if that money was from an account earmarked for a specific thing - constituting a misappropriation of funds. But I imagine that's not the case considering Whitmer didn't even mention that money in this article, and The Intercept story only has one line mentioning it out of the entire thing.

GYODX · Mar 10, 2021

Fiye said:
Can't wait to see that statistic next year when all the benefits expire.

Reducing Black poverty by 42% over at least 1 year seems to me a bigger deal than not getting $2000 checks, yet the latter is all progressives keep whinging about.

$2000 checks is one example that poster gave in reference to improving people's material conditions. And if that qualifies, then so does reducing Black poverty by 42% for at least one year.

nitewulf · Mar 10, 2021

First of all Dems are apparently sore losers. Second of all, I am surprised socialists won in Nevada? I thought Nevada is right wing as fuck?

medinaria · Mar 10, 2021

samoyed said:
By the way, she didn't make the guillotine meme, she retweeted it.

If your stance is the co-chair of the Nevada DSA retweeting a guillotine meme might cost us votes you should probably log off. Even if that were the case I would argue the youth outreach would negate the questionable loss.

we literally just had an entire democratic presidential primary (and general election) that centered, in large part, around angry lectures about how "twitter is not the electorate" and how "sure, your candidate may be popular on twitter, but twitter's small and you need to win the huge swaths of people who have never even looked at it"

and now these same people apparently believe that retweeting memes on twitter from your 1500 follower account constitutes some sort of "messaging strategy" and will torpedo the nevada democratic party

I cannot stress enough how incredibly fucking stupid this argument has been and how what it makes clear is that there's a segment of this forum that's almost terminally obsessed with "rose twitter" (to the point that it's basically an ongoing joke to see how long it takes for it to be brought up in any political thread on the forum)

nobody fucking cares if the like co-chair of the las vegas dsa branch (who, let's stress, is not one of the elected members of the democratic party) retweeted a guillotine meme on twitter

log off

Shodan14 · Mar 10, 2021

GYODX said:
Reducing Black poverty by 42% over at least 1 year seems to me a bigger deal than not getting $2000 checks, yet the latter is all progressives keep whinging about.

How much would $2000 checks have changed this number?

A Syrian Communist · Mar 10, 2021

GYODX said:
What world do you live in where reducing Black poverty by 42% with one bill doesn't qualify as attending to people's material conditions?

But hey, "where's my $2000?!"

It may not do anything to address the material demands people have been making for the past year, nor does it actually deliver on the promises Democrats ran on in Georgia, but yes, this is a big win for the "Temporarily Reduce Black Poverty By 42% For One Year During The Pandemic" movement.

Deleted member 24149 · Mar 10, 2021

nitewulf said:
First of all Dems are apparently sore losers. Second of all, I am surprised socialists won in Nevada? I thought Nevada is right wing as fuck?

Nah. The Ron Paul revolution hit the state pretty hard and the Harry Reid machine had to spend a few years to unfuck things.

Its right wing as fuck out in the urban areas but get to Clark County and things get deep blue.

Shodan14 said:
How much would $2000 checks have changed this number?

You stole my post!

Deleted member 4346 · Mar 10, 2021

GYODX said:
What world do you live in where reducing Black poverty by 42% with one bill doesn't qualify as attending to people's material conditions?

But hey, "where's my $2000?!"

*for one year

GYODX · Mar 10, 2021

Sami said:
It may not do anything to address the material demands people have been making for the past year, nor does it actually deliver on the promises Democrats ran on in Georgia, but yes, this is a big win for the "Temporarily Reduce Black Poverty By 42% For One Year During The Pandemic" movement.

This is dismissive as fuck and you should be ashamed of yourself.

GYODX · Mar 10, 2021

Apharmd said:
*for one year

How long do you reckon a one-time $2000 check would have helped? Seems appropriate to ask given that "But it's not $2000!" is one of the primary complaints people have for this bill.

Deleted member 24149 · Mar 10, 2021

GYODX said:
How long do you reckon a one-time $2000 check would have helped? Seems appropriate to ask given that "But it's not $2000!" is one of the primary complaints people have for this bill.

Its a complaint you brought up complaining about other people not in this thread. A strawman.

GYODX · Mar 10, 2021

Fiye said:
Its a complaint you brought up complaining about other people not in this thread. A strawman.

It was referenced in the post I originally quoted. Keep up.

A Syrian Communist · Mar 10, 2021

GYODX said:
This is dismissive as fuck and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Sorry homie, I've just been a bit prickly since your guy bombed my country for no reason last month. Congrats on the table scraps.

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