It's not about the prices, it's about the amount of places that sell the game.
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Epic Store's way of "competing" is one that actively hurt the market
- Thread starter GhostTrick
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One has multiple storefronts competing in a price war to sell the game. Actual competition.
It's not the one on the Epic store.
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It's not comparing prices between these two games.
It's highlighting how the previous entry, which was on the Steam monopoly, was available on 15 different storefronts, some with different prices, some with discounts, some with different DRM (Origin) or some DRM Free while the latest entry now, which is on the Good Guy Epic Games Store, is sold on one place only, at the highest price.
it's not about the price
look closely at the image
can you see the difference between the number of available weapons?
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Oh, the red Highlight is on point on the right picture.
The game was sold on the Razer Game Store (an authorized retailer) for 47€ before Epic made it disappear... to sell it for 60€.
Damn Epic Store has no regional pricing for my country and that's really hurt . It used to be only $30 on Steam and now I have to pay $49.99 on Epic store . I would have bought it if the price is the same on Epic store but its not happening now and I believed alot of potential buyers in my region are also turned off . With big hitter like DMCV and Sekiro coming soon , Deep Silver might lose a huge chunk of sales everywhere .
Your profile says you are an editor for a website. If that's the case, why did you say this earlier:
As a developer (of that particular service), not game developer, I was talking about software development and launching a software product, not a game.
I have an example right for you. You're going home from work and near the entrance door suddenly realize the urgent need to take a dump. And then remember that toilet paper's all gone in the house. Luckily there's a store on the other side of the street which sells tp. You go there and guess what - the competing storefront made exclusivity deals with tp producers to not sell it in the one near your place. The closest 'competition' store is 30 min of driving away. So you jump in the car, go there and end up buying a detergent cause it's too late for tp anyway.
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If as a software developper you believe that being on par with a 2009 software competitor, I'm not sure I'd ever hire you.
Haha, I dont think this analogy works like at all, but man did I get a laugh out of it. :"D
It's not good what epic are doing...but why exactly does blizzard and EA get a free pass on this shit? Just because it's mostly their own games?
At the end of the day Epic are just doing the same thing but more aggressively.
At the end of the day Epic are just doing the same thing but more aggressively.
Neither Blizzard or EA is doing what Epic's doing. They're offering their own games as exclusives, which is perfectly acceptable.
Epic's buying third party games that were advertised elsewhere, and making them exclusive to their store.
That's a false comparison.A game is one type of good, and removing any game from a certain store doesn't mean that all games from that store are gone.
In your example, it would be right to say that your favorite toilet paper is gone from that store but there are more toilet papers to choose from. But you don't want those papers so you start shitting all over the store.
Also, I didn't know that 20 pixels left on your desktop screen equals 30 minutes of driving.
Because in the case of blizzard and ea, the games wouldn't exist without them.
In Metro Exodus's case, the game would still very much exist and be sold to consumers even without epic. Epic paid money specifically to make the game unavailable elsewhere, nothing else. Not the same thing at all.
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20 pixels on the left... also 12€... also no cloud saves... also no library sharing... also no controller support... also no VR support... also no communities and guides...
But yeah, juste 20 pixels on the left.
You can turn it in every ways: Removing store choice isn't something that benefits the customer.
You can believe in your "store investment" thing that happens conveniently 2 weeks before release.
But in the end, facts are standing against you.
It was also made and published by Value.
This is why there is no real fuss about Fortnite being exclusive
Rob Fearon (indie dev of Death Ray Manta) posted this nearly 24 hours ago, but so so so worth reading, so if it's a repost, so be it.
Fairness
Fairness
I see. Interesting that valve doesn't have a contract with the devs that prevented what just happened to them.
They seemed to be able to control fairness here, but let it slip away. It also doesn't seem like 30% is going to be sustainable for them.
So for them its better than capitalize an user base for next titles...lol...
Darksiders III is being sold on Steam, Origin and EGS without any exclusivity deals from what I can tell. It would be so interesting to know sales numbers split between these platforms. My guess is 90%/7%/3%.
Valve doesnt have 30% anymore, not universal. Succesful games would be at 20% and I am pretty sure Metro would fall under that.
No. Removing tp from the store doesn't mean that screwdrivers are gone either, but I'm not sure how sd is going to help with your predicament in my example.
And it's not 20 pixels, it's space on hdd, ram overhead. I don't have either especially for some lazy jerk off client.
While the article is interesting, I don't know about that last bit you quoted. I'd say it's more that they had to inform buyers who pre-ordered the game on Steam than a "we're going public with this!" moment.
I think Epic blindsided Valve with that one. With the way they responded I doubt it will happen again.
Half life 2 is available to buy from many digital retailers.
Try to understand what I am saying. You analogy is vivid but it's wrong since Metro exodus is not a category of goods, its an exemplar. It's a game, not games.
If you really want this shit analogy to be correct you should compare Metro with toilet paper by one maker which is gone from the store but there are toilet papers from other makers.
Excellent, truly excellent. The PC community is united against these practices, it is truly a joy to see the backlash mount with every announcement.
It will be a temporary situation. It is up to us as customers to make sure that the moneyhat strategy ends up as a miserable failure for Epic.
I'm not sure they had to, though. I mean, other than being able to buy Metro, there's no difference to that situation and the situation with Ashen. Pub/dev uses Valve's store, gains some marketing and backend tools (like Community), and then pulls game for exclusive deal with Epic. Valve could have just let Metro go silently, but I agree with the article that the "we're going public with this" is a public statement about how pubs/devs should treat their customers.
You can jump through hoops all you want. fortnite is just a game, not games, we'll remove it, go play unreal tournament kids - no difference. By the way - news at 11 that game stores sell games.
There's a difference: Ashen was never available for pre-order on Steam (or anywhere else for that matter). It simply switched stores one day and was suddenly released on EGS.
But you could pre-order Metro Exodus on Steam before Koch decided to go exclusive. Thus why Valve had to inform people who already bought the game on their platform. I read it as "We're sorry this is happening, but rest assured that your purchase is valid."
I'm afraid the trendlines are going in the wrong direction. Bethesda is going their own way for Rage2. Activision is distributing their PC games via BattleNet. Virtually every big publisher is moving toward their own distribution for PC, and now Epic is making deals for the mid-tier developers. Even if Valve came down further on their revenue cut, it's not clear these publishers are ever coming back to Steam.
Other devs/pubs are probably looking at the "Announce Epic Store exclusivity" button like this these days:
We'll see. The trendlines may be going in one direction but the factor that will ultimately decide things is the audience's willingness to follow them.
Given the choice, I'll buy on Epic because the developers get a bigger slice of the pie than they do on Steam.
IMO the audience for console-style AAA games on PC will just get smaller because of all these launchers. Being a PC gamer now means installing at least 8 different distribution apps (Steam, Origin, BattleNet, Uplay, GOG, Bethesda, Epic, and MS/Windows Store) each with their own account and separate friends list, afaik all running background services on your PC. It's not tenable, and I'm a tech person.
As opposed to you, I'm actually not made of money. And eastern EU traditionally gets shit for regional pricing, so...
I agree, which is why I believe that the situation will change at some point. I think that these companies will soon realize that their sales will crater if they keep this up.
Oh, I'm hardly made of money, but if I'm investing in a game of that price, I'd rather the money go to the people who made it, not the storefront that's blackmailing them.
How do you know the devs get bigger cut?
It's not like 4A for example is self-publishing so how do you know how much of that extra cut the devs are going to see?
So this basically makes your argument moot but that is to be expected from people shitting on Steam without arguments and proclaim a company that is notoriously bad about security and is partly owned by a Chinese mega corp as the saviour of the PC gaming space.
Now I am imagining Gabe flying some indie devs to his fortress and showing them his massive knife collection while winking suggestively.
Even with Steam users protesting, nothing will change in the foreeable future. Epic has the money to throw around and developers/publishers will bite, the price is the only matter here. Tencent might be pushing some strings here too.
I guess it's battle of attrition, only when Epic sees they are 100% rejected in the long term, they might concede.
I guess it's battle of attrition, only when Epic sees they are 100% rejected in the long term, they might concede.
You value choice, then? It's important for you to be able to choose where to buy the game from?
True, that's another issue in regards to how revenue is dispersed between publisher and developer though, but it's also unrelated. As far as the storefronts are concerned, Epic only charges 12% on game sales vs Steam's 30% cut. That money may ultimately not end up in the developers hands, but I'd still prefer it go to the publisher rather than Valve for basically sitting on their ass.
Sure if you ignore Valve giving devs Steam keys which they can sell and keep 100% of the revenue.