The only help Ezra needs is getting into a jail cell. Ezra is a predator. Ezra does not deserve sympathy. Ezra is not a victim.
I agree Ezra is not the victim, but this isn't a good position. Everyone in jail needs mental health support, most humans alive need it and imo it should be a human right that everyone has access to, and if Ezra does have specific mental health issues the system needs to provide that from a rehabilitaion stand point.The only help Ezra needs is getting into a jail cell. Ezra is a predator. Ezra does not deserve sympathy. Ezra is not a victim.
Shortsighted. If we aren't making attempts to rehabilitate under detention then what even is the point? They'll just come right back out at the end of their sentence and nothing will have changed. Hell, they may even be worse off. The gravity of the offence should demonstrate the need for MORE effort during their sentence, not lessThe only help Ezra needs is getting into a jail cell. Ezra is a predator. Ezra does not deserve sympathy. Ezra is not a victim.
They.
Moderators, could we please have the pronouns put at the bottom of threads, as is the case with at least one of the other threads pertaining to Miller?
This is a shit post and you will rightly be actioned for it.Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
Like they could get rehabilitation, in fact it is something they should always try but being seen as a victim and getting sympathy is a entirely different thing, people who do these kinds of crimes shouldn't be seen as a victim when they are creating actual victims, and they don't really deserve the sympathy, should they be helped? sure but that's not exactly where my mind is at when I hear about all the terrible shit they've doneShortsighted. If we aren't making attempts to rehabilitate under detention then what even is the point? They'll just come right back out at the end of their sentence and nothing will have changed. Hell, they may even be worse off. The gravity of the offence should demonstrate the need for MORE effort during their sentence, not less
Now change that to a slur of some sort, like homophobia or racism and see how it plays out. "Said person did a bad thing so you can be as bigoted as you want towards them."Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
The moment you say certain people don't deserve the respect/right of being referred to by their proper pronouns, you set a precedent that certain criteria need met before human decency can be shown, which can and will be used against others.Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
I don't think anyone is giving them sympathy by speaking about the need for this, though?Like they could get rehabilitation, in fact it is something they should always try but being seen as a victim and getting sympathy is a entirely different thing, people who do these kinds of crimes shouldn't be seen as a victim when they are creating actual victims, and they don't really deserve the sympathy, should they be helped? sure but that's not exactly where my mind is at when I hear about all the terrible shit they've done
Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
What the fuck does someone's behavior got to do with their identity? Would you just call a male by she/her because he killed someone? Doesn't make sense.Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
It's not about Ezra. Ezra isn't going to see you misgendering them. Other trans people will, and they get hurt by it. Don't do it.Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
Gender isn't a right you have to earn, you don't misgender a non-trans person when they do something wrong so we shouldn't misgender a trans person when they do, misgendering is transphobia plain and simpleEzra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
Educate yourself.Ezra chose their pronouns, you can't choose your race or sexual orientation. It isn't the same thing.
Non-binary and Trans are different things btw. Not every NB person identifies as trans even if some do.It's not about Ezra. Ezra isn't going to see you misgendering them. Other trans people will, and they get hurt by it. Don't do it.
Gender isn't a right you have to earn, you don't misgender a non-trans person when they do something wrong so we shouldn't misgender a trans person when they do, misgendering is transphobia plain and simple
It's not about Ezra, its about showing that the right to correct pronouns is universal, not something that can be taken away if you don't like that person or they do something bad.Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
They're non-binary, also get off with thinking you can misgender someone just because they've done awful things.Is Ezra trans? I did not know that, I thought they were just going with "they" as their pronouns.
I don't think you grasp how many innocent people you're insulting with this attitude. Do yourself a favor and reflect on how awful what you said is during your inevitable ban.Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
It's not about Ezra, its about showing that the right to correct pronouns is universal, not something that can be taken away if you don't like that person or they do something bad.
See above. Non-binary and trans are not the same thing, but being non-binary isn't any less valid if that's what you're suggesting.Is Ezra trans? I did not know that, I thought they were just going with "they" as their pronouns.
Gender identity can be about choice, but it isn't always. I have always felt like I wasn't quite male or female, much like I always felt attracted to both men and women, I just didn't have a term for it when growing up.Ezra chose their pronouns, you can't choose your race or sexual orientation. It isn't the same thing.
Maybe I chose the wrong words for it, and I apologize for that. I just find it crazy that people will point out the right pronouns before even commenting on the crime itself.
Do you think if a cis man did this and people kept referring to him as her that people wouldn't correct that as well? It's strange behavior.Maybe I chose the wrong words for it, and I apologize for that. I just find it crazy that people will point out the right pronouns before even commenting on the crime itself.
You don't need to preface a pronoun correction with a commentary on the situation. You should have paid attention tbh, being corrected is a good thing.Maybe I chose the wrong words for it, and I apologize for that. I just find it crazy that people will point out the right pronouns before even commenting on the crime itself.
I think you saying respecting someone's pronouns is conditional to whether you like them or not says a lot more.Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot.
Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
I think you saying respecting someone's pronouns is conditional to whether you like them or not says a lot more.
Do you use racial slurs if you don't like someone who's poc?
Can we please pay attention to the fact that non-binary doesn't = trans by default?
Then call those out when you see them? There's no reason to suggest that anyone correcting a pronoun has that double standard themselves.I'm not defending the poster when I say this, respect people's identities, but folks have no problem body shaming others that are universally hated like Trump. There are double standards at play in vitriol directed towards people.
They literally said a person doesn't deserve rights. I mean body shaming is terrible too, but saying a person doesn't deserve rights is like actual hatred and beyond insulting imo.I'm not defending the poster when I say, respect people's identities, but folks have no problem body shaming others that are universally hated like Trump. It's hypocrisy.
I'm using trans in the extremely broad sense of "having a gender identity that doesn't match the sex you were assigned at birth" here, which has always been the definition I work from. I use genderqueer as an identifier for myself, because none of the others really feel fitting for me. I guess I'm aware that there are non-binary people who do not consider themselves trans, and I'm genuinely not trying to invalidate that, but I have never understood what the difference was in their eyes? If you're one of these people and you're willing to share in DM I'd love to understand further!Non-binary and Trans are different things btw. Not every NB person identifies as trans even if some do.
If you're worried about all the terrible shit they've done then you should be advocating for an approach that minimizes the chances of them doing more terrible shit. That's all I'm saying, "fuck em, lock em up and throw away the key" probably feels good to say in the moment but it hasn't exactly proven itself as an effective method of rehabilitation… which is important to consider because the vast majority of offenders DO end up back outside.Like they could get rehabilitation, in fact it is something they should always try but being seen as a victim and getting sympathy is a entirely different thing, people who do these kinds of crimes shouldn't be seen as a victim when they are creating actual victims, and they don't really deserve the sympathy, should they be helped? sure but that's not exactly where my mind is at when I hear about all the terrible shit they've done
I'll share it here briefly as it's good for everyone to read, but I'm open to a DM conversation with anyone about this stuff any time! I'll put it in spoilers though as I don't want to derail too much here.I'm using trans in the extremely broad sense of "having a gender identity that doesn't match the sex you were assigned at birth" here, which has always been the definition I work from. I use genderqueer as an identifier for myself, because none of the others really feel fitting for me. I guess I'm aware that there are non-binary people who do not consider themselves trans, and I'm genuinely not trying to invalidate that, but I have never understood what the difference was in their eyes? If you're one of these people and you're willing to share in DM I'd love to understand further!
Ezra has been doing so many terrible things lately, and all you care about is correcting people about their pronouns, says a lot. Maybe i'm the only one who doesn't really care if people use the right pronouns in this case, Ezra deserves no rights.
I didn't say "fuck em, lock em up and throw away the key", re-read the beginning of my comment again, I'm favor of the idea rehabilitation, I'm just said that's not where my mind is at when I hear of someone doing terrible shit, they can get rehabilitation but they're still on my shit-listIf you're worried about all the terrible shit they've done then you should be advocating for an approach that minimizes the chances of them doing more terrible shit. That's all I'm saying, "fuck em, lock em up and throw away the key" probably feels good to say in the moment but it hasn't exactly proven itself as an effective method of rehabilitation… which is important to consider because unfortunately the vast majority of offenders DO end up back outside.
I understand what you're saying, but has anyone actually suggested otherwise?I didn't say "fuck em, lock em up and throw away the key", re-read the beginning of my comment again, I'm favor of the idea rehabilitation, I'm just said that's not where my mind is at when I hear of someone doing terrible shit, they can get rehabilitation but they're still on my shit-list
You were commenting on my reply to someone else, who WAS exhibiting the viewpoint I'm objecting to. If you don't share said person's viewpoint then great, we're in agreement! Rehabilitation doesn't have to come at the expense of accountability. It's a conflation I see happen often when it's brought up in public spaces. You can and should argue for both.I didn't say "fuck em, lock em up and throw away the key", re-read the beginning of my comment again, I'm favor of the idea rehabilitation, I'm just said that's not where my mind is at when I hear of someone doing terrible shit, they can get rehabilitation but they're still on my shit-list
Fair enough. Again though, what should their fate be then? Rot in prison for eternity?
I do think that the thread title needs to be updated because technically, by the letter of the law, Ezra has not actually committed kidnapping.
At least right now, nobody has actually charged Ezra with kidnapping, even the parents.
As courts reportedly try and fail to locate The Flash star, Miller has shared five memes, the first of which carries the text "you cannot touch me, I am in another universe."
Thank you kindly.Done! If we miss one in a future thread feel free to send in a report, it would help us out. Thank you! :)
I think this is the best way to go about things. Consequences and rehabilitation need not be mutually exclusive.Rehabilitation/therapy in lieu of punishment or consequences is different than rehabilitation/therapy as part of the consequences for a person's criminal actions. In theory I think its fine to hope that Ezra "gets help", because unless they are going to spend the rest of their life imprisoned, they are going to be back out in society and we should hope that everything is done to prevent them from abusing anyone else. But that also shouldn't excuse their actions.
I agree Ezra is not the victim, but this isn't a good position. Everyone in jail needs mental health support, most humans alive need it and imo it should be a human right that everyone has access to, and if Ezra does have specific mental health issues the system needs to provide that from a rehabilitaion stand point.
As someone alese rightly said, if they end up in jail it will not be for life, and being put back into the world without that help would likely lead to more harm.
Is there a timeline of events that They've done over the past few years anywhere i can read?
Edit: Its kind of hard keeping up with all the different threads over the years.
Thats more of an events of this event. I'm talking more about all the assaults in bars and everything else.3 post before your post?
Ezra Miller (They/Them) Kidnaps Teenager and Vanishes
The only help Ezra needs is getting into a jail cell. Ezra is a predator. Ezra does not deserve sympathy. Ezra is not a victim.www.resetera.com
Like this?Thats more of an events of this event. I'm talking more about all the assaults in bars and everything else.