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FeistyBoots

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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5b44eeeae4b0c523e2637878

Real feminists, lesbians, queers and bisexual woman should ask what sort of woman or feminist would align themselves with these right-wing organizations. They are all anti-choice. They all want to ban access to birth control. They universally want to overturn Lawrence v. Texas and allow states to make homosexuality illegal again. They want to overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, and Roe v. Wade. They want to ban same-sex adoption. They all are hostile to fair-pay-for-women laws. They oppose women working outside the home. They are all hostile to the Women's March and Me Too. They are fake medical organizations and anti-LGBTQ and anti-choice hate groups. They have cheered the assassinations of abortion providers. They are publications that have published horrible things about women, such as "Does Feminism Make Women Ugly?"

This isn't a choice between transgender people and women. This is a choice between trans people and right-wing organizations pretending to represent women. And you are deluding yourself if you think these right-wing organizations will not be coming for queers and cisgender women next. They have said that's exactly what they plan on doing.

The religious right has been explicit in laying out its plans to divide and conquer the LGBTQ community.

They have been explicit that they are co-opting feminism and using TERFs and anti-transgender "feminist" organizations as a fifth column to attack trans people.

This so much. Really tired of fake feminists and people who are still napping on social justice issues mumbling in their sleep about how "woke" they are.
 

Ivan2Nguyen

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This sounds a lot like the 'No True Scotsman' argument.

When you start arguing about ideological purity you lose support from a wide group of people. It's akin to saying you aren't anti-animal cruelty when you aren't vegan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
 

Mesoian

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They are scum. Yes they are and don't @ me.
 
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Stardestroyer

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This sounds a lot like the 'No True Scotsman' argument.

When you start arguing about ideological purity you lose support from a wide group of people. It's akin to saying you aren't anti-animal cruelty when you aren't vegan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
So fucking what if they lose support from people like that?

People need to realize it is better to have no allies than it is to have allies that don't really care about you. I mean the whole concept of white feminism is another example, where it only extends to white women issues, while everyone else is expected to play along to visit for rights that will inevitably only apply to white women causes.
 

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Pretty much the only time I hear the word feminism anymore is in relation to men using the term to describe themselves or for TERFs.
 

Khanimus

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In a perfect world all marginalized groups would work together to improve their stations together but in reality they get divided by those who benefit to weaken them all.
 

Kitsunelaine

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I gotta say, it's a really good feeling to be on a forum where your reports are handled swiftly and effectively before a thread's derailed. Love it.

Anyway, the article's point is absolutely correct! That's why we call 'em TERFs and not plain 'ol "feminists".
 

Hollywood Duo

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It's incredibly disingenuous. If you are a feminist you should be striving for equality. Equality of the sexes, it doesn't matter who you are everyone is equal. To say a trans person is not equal just invalidates your whole ethos.
 

Suzushiiro

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The refreshing thing about TERFs is that unless you're one of them no matter where you are on the ideological spectrum you fucking hate them- maybe you hate them because they're transphobes, maybe you hate them because they're radical feminists, maybe you hate them because they're both, but in the end what really matters is... fuck TERFs.
 

PhazonBlonde

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Fuck TERFS.

At one point it was socially acceptable for so-called "feminists" to exclude queer women and women of color. This should not be acceptable, and others have said we have a duty to accept, protect and empower our trans sisters.
 

Kaako

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I just learned about "TERFs" via this thread and I want to say fuck them and whatever they stand for. How the fuck are you gonna preach about feminism and then exclude?
 
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A friend of mine on FB was going ham on this year's Women's March precisely due to the high volume of TERFs. It was the first time I was exposed to the notion and I have to say, fuck them. Some true "fuck you got mine" shit. Or rather, "fuck you give me mine".
 

DJGolfClap

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I came out fairly recently as a trans woman, and I'm near the beginning of my transition, and this has been on my mind a lot lately. Fuck TERFs. All I want is to be the person I'm supposed to be.
 

BlueTsunami

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I didnt know about TERFs until I read a twitter thread about a transphobic story. They were absolutely militant with their transphobia it was nauseating
 

Platy

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Also the shut they pulled on the London LGBT parade is absolutely disgusting.

You don't support LGBT hating on any of those letters
 

PhazonBlonde

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TERFs in a nutshell
 

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I agree they don't actually adhere to feminist principles. But, I mean, what do we call them then?

The F in TERF is obviously a misnomer. Transphobe, to them and their supporters, isn't a dirty word, and might only embolden them.
Asshat, fool, dumbass, and so on, are far too general.

Maybe just TERs? Trans exclusionary radicals? I'd say TWER, but, trans men and nb individuals are effected by their shit as well.

strongly agreed, it's been something watching TERFs pretend the word's a slur while self-identifying with it as well
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Lwyn

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So can we acknowledge that even oppressed groups can be nasty to other oppressed groups?
 

Chekhonte

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They are feminists. They're just misguided in one specific area. I think throwing them out of the category is a mistake rather than continuously pressing back at them in this one area.
 

Ketkat

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I missed this, what did they do?

There were a group of TERFs at the front of the pride parade that had a banner that said "Transactivism is erasing lesbians"

They are feminists. They're just misguided in one specific area. I think throwing them out of the category is a mistake rather than continuously pressing back at them in this one area.

You can't be a feminist and not be advocating for all women's rights. You can't be a feminist and deny that some women are women. They're incredibly hateful, trying to deny rights to women, and they're so much worse than just misguided.
 

TissueBox

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So can we acknowledge that even oppressed groups can be nasty to other oppressed groups?

Yes, but keep in mind the point of the article is to propose how this case is also one of disingenuous sabotage dealt by right-wing conservatives; that this is in fact not a matter of social rights but also agenda-driven partisanship, which may very well be the case for some behind-the-scenes workings.
 

Big One

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Yeah I hate this shit big time especially since I know a lot of these people in real life.

The racism is just as bad as well. There's a girl I know that identifies as a feminist yet she supports Trump and is pretty anti-immigrant in general.
 

Chekhonte

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There were a group of TERFs at the front of the pride parade that had a banner that said "Transactivism is erasing lesbians"



You can't be a feminist and not be advocating for all women's rights. You can't be a feminist and deny that some women are women. They're incredibly hateful, trying to deny rights to women, and they're so much worse than just misguided.
I don't think all or nothing attitudes fix anything and I think a majority of these people can be made to come around to the reality of the situation. In my opinion when you throw people out, you lock people into their form of thinking. I'm more interested in changing minds rather than drawing lines.
 

rjinaz

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I don't think all or nothing attitudes fix anything and I think a majority of these people can be made to come around to the reality of the situation.
These are just words, they mean nothing. TERFs are not feminists no matter if you hope someday they might change their minds. They can be feminists then.

It's like saying "I'm for equal rights of all people regardless of race. Well except Blacks."

Well then guess fucking what? You're not for equal rights of all people regardless of race.