Absolutely. I don't fuck with Alpine, such a nothing brand. I already see them as Renault anyway, just own it fully.
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Absolutely. I don't fuck with Alpine, such a nothing brand. I already see them as Renault anyway, just own it fully.
Newey have already said he'll stay even if Horner goes. Max seems fine with it as well. I think people forget that Horner tried to push Marko out last year and Max is deep in Marko's camp.
My guess is that the 100 pages probably includes the Transkripts from the hearings and what else is mentioned. Horners hearing alone was 8 hours or something? So it's likely mostly transcripts and screenshots of messages.
Because the length is insane if that's not the case.
Because the length is insane if that's not the case.
Is there a decent article summarising the behind the scenes RBR power struggle?
Naturally that's a topic DTS doesn't cover :P
There are plenty of articles but it's all rumors and speculation
Raceweek 1 Bahrain
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FIA F1 2024 |OT| No Lewis, no, no, no! That was so not right! - Raceweek 1 Bahrain - 29 Feb - 02 Mar #PleaseBeExcited
It's Raceweek 1 in Bahrain. Info stolen from https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2024/Bahrain.html
Lap Record - 1:31:447 Pedro del la Rosa (2005)
2023 pole - Max Verstappen
2022 pole - Charles Leclerc
2021 pole - Max Verstappen
Last race classification
Last Race
Top 5 moments
When
Practice 1 -
Countdown Feb 29, 2024 at 6:30 AM
Practise 2 -
Countdown Feb 29, 2024 at 10:00 AM
Practise 3 -
Countdown Mar 1, 2024 at 7:30 AM
Qualifying -
Countdown Mar 1, 2024 at 11:00 AM
Race -
Countdown Mar 2, 2024 at 10:00 AM
Listen
View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0O7zNLi0sCanfdHEavwyek?si=6273a734335040ad
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It's Raceweek 1 in Bahrain. Info stolen from https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2024/Bahrain.html
Lap Record - 1:31:447 Pedro del la Rosa (2005)
2023 pole - Max Verstappen
2022 pole - Charles Leclerc
2021 pole - Max Verstappen
Last race classification
Last Race
Top 5 moments
When
Practice 1 -
Countdown Feb 29, 2024 at 6:30 AM
Practise 2 -
Countdown Feb 29, 2024 at 10:00 AM
Practise 3 -
Countdown Mar 1, 2024 at 7:30 AM
Qualifying -
Countdown Mar 1, 2024 at 11:00 AM
Race -
Countdown Mar 2, 2024 at 10:00 AM
Listen
View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0O7zNLi0sCanfdHEavwyek?si=6273a734335040ad
View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2dXGoj6zntypGXnaIdTdDX?si=08671bfe06f94142
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FIA F1 2024 |OT| No Lewis, no, no, no! That was so not right! - Raceweek 1 Bahrain - 29 Feb - 02 Mar #PleaseBeExcited
It's Raceweek 1 in Bahrain. Info stolen from https://www.formula1.com/en/racing/2024/Bahrain.html
Lap Record - 1:31:447 Pedro del la Rosa (2005)
2023 pole - Max Verstappen
2022 pole - Charles Leclerc
2021 pole - Max Verstappen
Last race classification
Last Race
Top 5 moments
When
Practice 1 -
Countdown Feb 29, 2024 at 6:30 AM
Practise 2 -
Countdown Feb 29, 2024 at 10:00 AM
Practise 3 -
Countdown Mar 1, 2024 at 7:30 AM
Qualifying -
Countdown Mar 1, 2024 at 11:00 AM
Race -
Countdown Mar 2, 2024 at 10:00 AM
Listen
View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0O7zNLi0sCanfdHEavwyek?si=6273a734335040ad
View: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2dXGoj6zntypGXnaIdTdDX?si=08671bfe06f94142
This video might help out new comers:
View: https://youtu.be/kTQ0GDD9_no?si=VZ6UNFY5rARZkPK5
On episode 2 of the new DTS season and ugh, its good tv but so blatantly inaccurate for the sake of building a narrative that it becomes hard to watch.
Last race classification
So there's our metric.
+38 seconds 1st to non RBR. Lapped to 12th place.
Since the title battle is over before it even started, I'll just root for Williams to come even stronger and closer to midfield this year.
And keep hoping McLaren can get some wins.
I also expect Ferrari to win a few races.
And keep hoping McLaren can get some wins.
I also expect Ferrari to win a few races.
Completely ignoring Daniel won a race with McLaren, painting him as a total failure
Pretending a 3rd driver doesnt drive at all when in reality theyre racing all the time in the sim and other places. Proven by the massive sore spots on his shoulders and chest prior to his RB test
Pretending Daniel is in an awkward spot doing media work when hes probably the most suited member in the entire paddock to do that and clearly loves it
Trying to make Horner a likable human being
That and the very scripted candid conversations over bocce ball and whatnot were specially cringe
Drive to Survive this season is ridiculous with the obviously staged scenes and the fake narrative building.
They have a problem with qualifying because it's clear they don't want to have to explain the actual qualifying system, and so they're doing creative editing to avoid having to explain it. This leads to things like ludicrously edited radio messages where a driver asking for Q3 status is being told things like "<driver> didn't make the top 10", a radio message that would never be sent in Q3 since they'd know that before taking the track. It just sticks out like a sore thumb and makes you notice how the very creative editing of team radio is just one more of their tools for constructing narrative.
They have a problem with qualifying because it's clear they don't want to have to explain the actual qualifying system, and so they're doing creative editing to avoid having to explain it. This leads to things like ludicrously edited radio messages where a driver asking for Q3 status is being told things like "<driver> didn't make the top 10", a radio message that would never be sent in Q3 since they'd know that before taking the track. It just sticks out like a sore thumb and makes you notice how the very creative editing of team radio is just one more of their tools for constructing narrative.
The entire Mercedes episode is ludicrous. The entire scene with Toto and Susie taking their son karting is ridiculous and you can tell that the inclusion of this is literally to have sent this kid out with the bad engine so Toto can stop and provide the good car as an analog to the fact that Mercedes' car is shit and they're desperate to improve it. The conversation Toto and Susie have about Mercedes is ludicrously on the nose, and then if the whole thing wasn't evident enough, they include the bit where Toto outright just asks Susie to grab him around the shoulders like she's consoling him, they do it for a beat and then start laughing about it! This is just pure lampshading, making fun of how fabricated this is in the middle of something very fabricated.
Speaking of completely fabricated things, that final Toto/Lewis sit-down is astounding. There's no reason they didn't just shoot that once with both of them, but also, because of camera angles, the entire scene does look like it could be composited out of both Toto and Hamilton in that office by themselves! There's giant blurs in shots! It has the feel of like a Vin Diesel/The Rock thing where they've both demanded a specific camera angle and shooting both of those specified angles at once left the production with some very odd shots and the perception that if weren't for the one shot of Lewis entering the room there would be no video evidence they were in the same space at all.
Speaking of completely fabricated things, that final Toto/Lewis sit-down is astounding. There's no reason they didn't just shoot that once with both of them, but also, because of camera angles, the entire scene does look like it could be composited out of both Toto and Hamilton in that office by themselves! There's giant blurs in shots! It has the feel of like a Vin Diesel/The Rock thing where they've both demanded a specific camera angle and shooting both of those specified angles at once left the production with some very odd shots and the perception that if weren't for the one shot of Lewis entering the room there would be no video evidence they were in the same space at all.
How the hell do you do Sainz's win in Singapore and try to make the story "Sainz is able to pull it out after the team coheres and Leclerc sacrifices his race"? The thing that saves Sainz's race is the entire strategy of intentionally feeding Lando DRS, a thing that the radio messages make very clear that Sainz was operating himself without direction from the team! It's clear they're trying to pick footage from the race where you can't tell Norris is in there with Sainz and Russell. They have to leave an incredible story out because it contradicts the larger narrative they want to apply, and it's awful.
And then there's the Liam Lawson stuff. They 100% try to sell that they're talking to Lawson before he fills in at all, but that's simply not true, he was at the Dutch GP where Ricciardo broke his hand and he filled in immediately. But it's clear that they'd rather heighten the drama by leaving out the actual details in order to make it look like Lawson pulled out points in his first race. There's no need to manufacture a narrative, you have a good one still, it's not made worse by noting that he's been driving for 2 races and having some trouble.
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Come on. Daniel's second season at McLaren was a total failure. He lost all confidence and was one of the worst on the grid week to week. Slow and full of mistakes. He was so bad McLaren payed millions to get rid of him. That is not Netflix inventing anything.
Ric himself has said it was awkward for him to do media work because he quickly realised that what he wanted to do was be racing. This was said in interviews last year and even in the episode. That is not to say he was bad at the media work (I don't see how Netflix was implying that either), but it was for hard him to see all the others race while he was on the sidelines.
With Horner I feel more like they have been setting him up as a new form of posh English aristocrat for years, not really likeable, more out of touch. And in earlier seasons he was clearly the closest thing the series had to a villian (and loving it), so I can't agree that DTS is painting a particular positive image of him.
DTS creating their own commentary over race footage is something I feel you just need to accept if want to watch it. They have been doing it since season 1 and it's not exactly a secret.
It is clearly done to make it easier to understand for viewers and create a cohesive narrative with the storyline of the particular episode.
Is it fake? Sure (and sometimes a little ridiculous), but I understand why they do it. DTS shouldn't, IMO at least, spend too much time on the actual races. I have already seen those, so I don't need to see them again and I'm fine with them doing their own super cut that fits with the story they are telling. It doesn't need to tell the whole story of a race and things would undoubtedly take longer if they didn't create their own commentary. The important parts for me is the behind the scenes footage and interviews.
I'm not saying DTS is always perfect. I think episode 9 is a good example of where they are doing a little too much in the editing room to make a better story with the footage they have. Like setting it up like Yuki and Ric wasn't annonced as the AT drivers before Suzuka and the race was going to be the deciding factor, when they were actually annonced on Saturday. Overall though, if you are looking at every scene through the lens of trying to find something fake about it, then it is probably not for you.
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The dude got paid by mclaren to not drive. It was a total failure.
I feel like if Horner goes then Danny Riccardo's chance at the Red Bull seat next year is gone as well as it seems like he's Danny's number 1 fan and the one pushing hardest for it.
A new battlefield opens for Toto and Horner. Who can get the most scripted scenes staring their kids
Would probably go from Ric is certain to get the seat unless he is dog shit, to the best driver in the Arby's is going to get the seat.
Next race. First race is an hopium generator for Ferrari. Just to get that little extra height before they fall
If Red Bull were holding back as much as some reports suggested, I don't see how he wouldn't land on the podium.
Page 1 introduction and scope of enquiry
Page 2 summary of investigations undertaken and evidence presented
Page 3-5 exec summary*
Pages 6 to 15 details of facts established about the case, excerpts of text messages etc
Pages 15 to 25, summary of relevant employee legislation and analysis of facts against those
Pages 25 to 30, conclusions and recommendations.
PAges 30 to 100+ evidence considered with transcripts of interviews etc.
My punt, based on nothing at all:-
he sent some mean texts...but he didn't really mean it, it's just his management style. No laws broken, so no basis to formally sack him or ask for his resignation.
some recommendations for better HR and whistle blowing avenues at red bull racing.
report is leaked, in full or in part, media storm criticising him and saying he should resign.
he doesn't resign - he's just too self-centred/driven/obsessed
it blows over after a few weeks as he stubbornly holds on
Page 2 summary of investigations undertaken and evidence presented
Page 3-5 exec summary*
Pages 6 to 15 details of facts established about the case, excerpts of text messages etc
Pages 15 to 25, summary of relevant employee legislation and analysis of facts against those
Pages 25 to 30, conclusions and recommendations.
PAges 30 to 100+ evidence considered with transcripts of interviews etc.
My punt, based on nothing at all:-
he sent some mean texts...but he didn't really mean it, it's just his management style. No laws broken, so no basis to formally sack him or ask for his resignation.
some recommendations for better HR and whistle blowing avenues at red bull racing.
report is leaked, in full or in part, media storm criticising him and saying he should resign.
he doesn't resign - he's just too self-centred/driven/obsessed
it blows over after a few weeks as he stubbornly holds on
I think Horner wants Ric so bad because he is just really good marketing material so would give him the seat as long as he was just good enough, not necessarily the fastest option available. Ric is happy to do the shows and all the other fluff and he's good at it. Max is always awkward in those situations and it's obvious he hates doing it.
Verstappen for prizes, Riccicardo for Vibeses.
Seeing some Merc suspension and wishbone hopium on the Twitter timeline 😂
Seeing some Merc suspension and wishbone hopium on the Twitter timeline 😂
Yeah, while I get and dont mind the narrative issue too much, even if they suck (you do have to edit everything into cohesive 8-10 episodes), the fake scenes are absolutely horrendous, outside Günther and Mattia. They could really do withiut them.
I was gonna say that's not true, but yeah hard to see who could survive that pairing.
Better question would be who is the least suited for the pairing.
I'm going with Ocon.
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He's Perez. Out of the jaws of
Give Russell the seat.
I'm not saying he'll be able to challenge Max for the championship, but he had a great start last season and I'm hoping we'll see a similar performance at the start of this one before he goes full Bottas again.
Maybe he'll win a few of the first few races when Max gets punted off or has a mechanical gremlin. Then he'll get beaten for the win by Max starting from 10th again, and the cycle continues.
The real question is, how long do we give Perez until he shows the world the new RBR floor again?
Dozed off a little while ago while watching P1 with Matt and Tommy. Legitimately had a dream that Merc, Ferrari, and Max were in a 3 way chase heading into the summer break.
If this comes to pass then I demand that you all worship me as an oracle and buy my latest self-help book that I have yet to write.
If this comes to pass then I demand that you all worship me as an oracle and buy my latest self-help book that I have yet to write.
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F1 warned of consequences if customer parts are banned
www.autosport.com
RB says you shouldn't stop RB selling parts to RB.
The sooner someone does something about a single company outright owning two teams the better.
Lol!! would love to know where they went and what they did :-)
Yeah definitely Ocon. I would LOVE to see Alonso go in there as I think he would have the mental strength to ignore Vertsappen and also be able to mess with his head a bit.
I mean...if you want him to quit the sport.. listening to his in car radio as he lawyerly explains how/why verstappen should get a penalty for driving him off the road would be interesting though.
F1 warned of consequences if customer parts are banned
RB says you shouldn't stop RB selling parts to RB.
The sooner someone does something about a single company outright owning two teams the better.
Cannot agree more with this - the RB/RB situation has been ridiculous forever and was only allowed as a sticking plaster to combat low grid entries. A forced sale to Andretti would be the best outcome.
If the teams can argue away Ferrari's old special payment then they can argue their way out of this.
I think DTS is not for me anymore. Loved the first couple of seasons for the behind the scenes looks and the glorious 4K imagery. And even though I don't think it's particularly bad, it's just getting boring. They are just pulling the same storylines and the same tricks they do each and every season.
I'm fine with the creative license they take to spice everything up. But after the 20th time of 'Are you okay?'....silence.... 'Are you okay??' after a crash I just don't care anymore.
I'm fine with the creative license they take to spice everything up. But after the 20th time of 'Are you okay?'....silence.... 'Are you okay??' after a crash I just don't care anymore.
They saved the team from almost definite collapse and sunk hundreds of millions into the team when F1 wasn't as commercially enticing as it is now.
I don't understand why people think they should be forced to sell the team. Yes, I get that you don't like that Red Bull own two teams, but without them, the team formerly known as Minardi wouldn't be around today.
