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Final Fantasy VII Rebirth announced (PS5). Remake Project will be 3 parts. Winter (not spring) 2023.
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Dirge of Cerberus FFVII Reunion will be done by the Crisis Core FFVII Reunion team
Watch the actual scene be Aerith walking with Sephiroth walking to the cliff edge, God and the Devil debating the fate of mankind in the new timeline.
I agree, throwing that up in the air is an excellent decision.
I loved how FF7R looked too, but outdoor environments could definitely use a bump. Would be great if they used photgammetry or something.
I feel like we have to get another FFX game eventually. Either that be a sequel, remake, spin off, etc
It makes some sense due to it being a role based ARPG with each character having their own playstyle to keep her around else it'll really screw with the balancing. We'd lose the mage, which would really bork up this type of battle system.
Right, its just pop culture osmosis at this point. My GF barely plays games, didn't know anything about FF until I started playing FF7R, when she saw Sephiroth and Aerith she said "oh, does he kill her? I saw a guy who looks like him kill someone who looks like her in a meme once. This is that game?". lol, I was like, "yeah, thats the one".
The thing is that everyone can still be a mage. I had plenty of times where I used Cloud or Barret as my primary mage in Remake, considering how often Aerith isn't in the party, and they're perfectly competent at it. Aerith shines as a support character as much as anything else, with her healing limit breaks and her ATB/Magic Wards, and that's very similar to her role as the primary healer in OG VII. The fact that you permanently lost that gameplay element was a big factor in why her death was so shocking. I'm not saying for sure that she'll die, but Square is definitely not afraid of removing her support utility for narrative reasons. We've already seen that.
Aerith commanded the lifestream from beyond the grave and sent it off to finish off Meteor... before becoming a demi-god alongside Sephiroth in the lifestream in the Compilation and screwing with Sephiroths plans there too... like a magical girl Jesus.
I would expect their combat expanded, part 1 forced your group so it was balanced that way. ARPG's generally bring in replacement characters when someone is leaving.
The thing that gets me is that studios are criticised all the time for not taking risks, for doing the same thing over and over. Now SE have taken a massive, ballsy, risk with FF7R a lot of people are like "no, not with this one". I get not liking it, nothing can please everyone. But, I like that they've taken a risk, and thrown out expectations out of the window. If FF7R was business as usual, we would be talking about it a whole lot less. It just wouldn't be that interesting.
To me, the core issue is just that these writers are not talented or thoughtful enough to do anything interesting here. Their ideas all seem to be based around "what if the characters that died didn't die????" and "what if the worst parts of the Compilation showed up in the main story??????", and it's just...dumb.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the concept of taking risks, but sometimes developers make bad choices. I think the way they've handled basically all of the new content in the remake is an example of that.
Yeah, and most of it is a dumb take on some of the more excitable theories posted by popular youtubers.
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It's all subjective, sure. But like, the writers behind FFVIIR are incredible on both the dialogue and story sides.
I think it's inspired by the cycles from Norse mythology. Like outside the cottage, Aerith tells Cloud to appreciate the time they have together, and to not fall in love with her, foreshadowing her death in the original. I think the general story is about overcoming Sephiroth's influence and resetting the cycle, accepting who has passed, despite the temptation to change things Sephiroth is offering like a devil's deal, but the rebirth will be his if they go down that road. As you say, I don't think it's simply about saving people.
It's possible but then look at re 3 remake which cut significant areas from the original and how upset the fans were about it. I think you have to include all the main story quest areas from original and then expand on them with content from the anthology. So Rebirth covering the rest of Disc 1 and then Rebirth 2 covering Disc's 2 and 3.
There are moments where it's charming or funny (Aeris saying "SHIT" is a great moment and I laughed out loud) but so much of the writing is so painfully on the nose or just plain awkward (everything Sephiroth says makes Xemnas look like a master communicator), and basically every single time the game tries to introduce new concepts to VII (literally everything related to "fate") it's just painful and clunky and feels like the whole game jarringly lurched into Final Fantasy XIII.
We won't, technically true. If you want to be optimistic, more power to you, but these writers have done nothing in my mind to inspire even a shred of confidence in them. I just do not trust Toriyama and Kitase together, and Nojima has been past his prime for a long time now.
Already has? I'm predicting she will survive with some kind of twist right at the end that answers both Sephiroth and her seeming knowledge of future events that subverts her surviving.
Fair enough, I'd prefer to be optimistic and see what happens. I thought FF7R was great fun, despite some issues like the whole whisper thing being heavy handed.
Its pretty clear at this point that FFVIIR Project is a sewuel, not a Remake. And I'm 100% down with that. LFG!
It's a little open for interpretation but my thoughts:
Its called Remake because up until the end it's pretty much the original story remade and kept "on course" because of those ghosts of fate that keeps appearing when things are looking like events would diverge from the original timeline. For reasons still unknown, Sephiroth has intervened from the very beginning of the game to try to push the characters to break that original timeline. You can hear the faint notes of "One Winged Angel" when Aerith gets startled in the alley way as an indicator of that. Because the characters finally broke free from the fates at the end of the game, the story is now no longer a Remake, hence the change in title for the second game.
Personally I find it very exciting and I trust the developers will deliver something special while still giving us those familiar moments we expect from the original game.
I wouldn't get your hopes up, in the story Sephiroth tempts Cloud to change Fate. I think it makes sense things will revert to the original story before the end, and they reject his offers. But I could be wrong, we'll see.
Rebirth is the perfect title, because it could apply to so many characters/entities. I count at least 5-7 major ones that have the potential to shift the story significantly if they were to experience rebirth.
As Kitase hinted, this 2nd entry is gonna be the messy part of the trilogy blowing the possibilites wide open for the finale. As such I believe it could span longer than your usual 40h full game. Maybe upto 60-80h for main story.
I personally think they could and were pondering to go beyond Midgar for the 1st part, but then decided for several practical reasons to end it there. This, however, came with the compromise of stretching and filling out Midgar with stuff, that's joywise divisive among the community. Now Rebirth has to make up for it, and it certainly can.
As Kitase hinted, this 2nd entry is gonna be the messy part of the trilogy blowing the possibilites wide open for the finale. As such I believe it could span longer than your usual 40h full game. Maybe upto 60-80h for main story.
I personally think they could and were pondering to go beyond Midgar for the 1st part, but then decided for several practical reasons to end it there. This, however, came with the compromise of stretching and filling out Midgar with stuff, that's joywise divisive among the community. Now Rebirth has to make up for it, and it certainly can.
If you mean that thay will realize that restoring history is the best outcome and will work towards that, I like it. And the journey will be different at least.
FF VII's world has cycles like the Norse mythology influence, that's how the whispers remember what's meant to happen, I think it's fair to say she died in an earlier cycle. Like the memory of the lifestream and the planet.
Remake in universe I think means trying to remake Fate despite the control of the whispers, and rebirth means a reborn cycle that doesn't abide by the planet's memory. But rebirth may have a hidden meaning or two, like if Aerith joins the lifestream again, Aerith is reborn in the promised land spiritually, or it might mean Sephiroth is trying to be reborn as a god.
Nate already clarified he was just speculating with that post. He said he has no inside info on Rebirth's story.
I would have confidence because the current team took the original game's pretty barebones script (Avalanche were hardly characters in the original, for example) and made all of the characters feel far more fleshed out, human and interesting in Remake. Remake feels like it was written by people with actual life experience.
I keep thinking about making a thread where we do a head-to-head comparison, just looking at the script, but Remake is such a massive improvement that it would feel unfair.
Seriously, this is the thing for me. FFVII is a good game and everything, but I feel like the script is super anemic. It's still there, like the characters and of course the plot come across, but I think when you're playing you do a lot of work to fill in the actual personalities of the cast. The Remake, somehow some way, managed to fill all those spaces as though they were never empty to begin with. I really felt like I was seeing and hearing the cast that was in my head all those years.
I understand. Still I like the speculation. I think it would make for a better game.
Yeah, I'm open to both approaches. If the writing is as good as Part 1, and the characters are as lovable, then the plot itself can do whatever and it will still be enjoyable, because the emotional core will be there, and that's what actually matters.
This team's character writing is just so good. Everything is so heartfelt.
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VII is known for its vast and diverse set of characters, many of whom got shafted in the original game due to runtime being constrained by the plot they needed to drive.
I think splitting the Remake Project into a trilogy and expanding on each element whether it be environments to characters to set pieces is probably the reason why it resonates with so many of us. it's showing us not only a vision for how a Final Fantasy game of this scale can be made in the modern age but by virtue of being a sequel to Compilation, it's also filling in they void within many fans that wanted to see this series continue in some fashion.
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I mean, she died in OG, then is like a demi-god in AC and compilation and now in Remake set after the current compilation, she isn't what she seems.
Something like that.
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I'm of the belief that she does die but not where she does in OG, but much after. Aerith dying is probably the biggest and most well known video game spoiler, what better way to recreate an impactful moment by doing in the most unexpected way. I think she will be kept alive longer than the OG for that very reason.
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I don't think she ever died because the whispers always save her when she's about to.
Not only that but she dying is what unleashes the end game, she dying is what breaks the balance, how are they going to change that, they will have to change the entire plot.
my view of how FFVII remake works is that FFVII original happened. the planet itself has a will, and it seems to be outside of time itself. so FFVII remake is set after, yet also at the beginning of a new timeline. the planet fights to keep things the same, as that outcome averted an even larger tragedy. but Aerith and Sephiroth, with their connections to the planet, have the ability to see outside of time, and Aerith knows that she dies. Sephiroth is also aware of many things.
so now with the sequel, we'll see that fate was broken. but even without fate, many events will stay the same, yet others will change.
'cause she's a great character, and remake gives her even more depth. people want to see more of her and her interacting with the world.
the plot is definitely going to change A LOT
so now with the sequel, we'll see that fate was broken. but even without fate, many events will stay the same, yet others will change.
'cause she's a great character, and remake gives her even more depth. people want to see more of her and her interacting with the world.
the plot is definitely going to change A LOT
For something new? The main appeal of will she/wont she is that we don't know what will happen. Obviously you can't have that without a real possibility that it could change.
There are also the tension it adds to the ending, for example, can she command the lifestream while living? Will it alter how that all plays out?
Also, the new possibilities it opens. For example, we could get loads of new exploration of the cetra, new stuff between the characters and an opportunity to close the compilation off once and for all, and a better ending for humanity and the planet.
So, its not just for fan service, there are things they could do.
Aerith may die, but it won't be fate that does it. I actually kind of doubt though that any major characters are going to die. It's rare that character death actually adds anything to most stories, especially with how it tends to be handled.
Though I will say that FFVII is one of the few examples where character death WAS handled well, as it was a shadow over the rest of the game and characters didn't just go "oh well, moving on."