Forspoken is getting meme'd on
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I've been disliking this type of dialogue way before MCU was getting big.
View: https://youtu.be/S7BFaLChV0o
View: https://youtu.be/S7BFaLChV0o
Like even with the specific parodies on the first page, those don't work because Kratos/Kiryu/John Bloodborne wouldn't make wacky quips and aren't strangers to the fantastical elements of their universe. Kiryu wouldn't go "so let me get this straight, you're trying to take over the Tojo clan? Awkwaaaard" because guys who try to take over the Tojo clan grow out of the mildew.
Forspoken Lady gets isekai'd into a magical world of dragons and shit and is reacting to that with a buttload of "I'm gonna go save the world! Fuck yeah!" A normal person sarcastically reacting to fantastical scenarios can still be well written, Ethan in REVII essentially goes through less of a character arc and more becoming progressively over this these zombie hillbilly shit, but that growing self-awareness is used to highlight his mundane nature until he ends the game as a Resident Evil protagonist with all the one-liners that entails.
I'm just gonna say again that this forum doesn't get to pull backsies now after pretending the MCU isn't the entire death of cinema across a few dozen movies.
Forspoken Lady gets isekai'd into a magical world of dragons and shit and is reacting to that with a buttload of "I'm gonna go save the world! Fuck yeah!" A normal person sarcastically reacting to fantastical scenarios can still be well written, Ethan in REVII essentially goes through less of a character arc and more becoming progressively over this these zombie hillbilly shit, but that growing self-awareness is used to highlight his mundane nature until he ends the game as a Resident Evil protagonist with all the one-liners that entails.
I'm just gonna say again that this forum doesn't get to pull backsies now after pretending the MCU isn't the entire death of cinema across a few dozen movies.
Kinda funny to make this critique while using the phrase "capeshit."
The memes are a goldmine
I think if they just had dialogue from within the game with these shots of gameplay then it would be a lot better received
I think if they just had dialogue from within the game with these shots of gameplay then it would be a lot better received
Have you never played Uncharted?
View: https://youtu.be/Z6HR_TNNGAc?t=10
Watch that cutscene above and tell me that this doesn't sound anything like a Hennig game.
Oh these memes are about authentic Black expression in video games? That's deep.
I was about to say nothing in this seems out of line for teasers from several games, including GotG.
Which is probably why it makes it easier to make fun of because it's pretty much a trope.
TBH it's nowhere near as bad as a lot of VA in video games. Extremely on the nose and cheesy, but at least the voice sounds good and doesn't hurt my ears or make me want to crawl into my skin and die like the voices in Star Ocean 4. I'd take this over another game filled with excessively wordy awkwardly paced speeches and weirdly sexualized dialog like is present in most JRPGs.
Sarcasm y'all. It is my firm opinion that the cringe-inducing writing showcased thus far does not bode well for the game's upcoming prospects.
I honestly wonder if they are making the same mistake they did with Guardians of the Galaxy.
The trailers made that games writing look awful, but the actual game was fantastic with the writing being the best part.
The trailers made that games writing look awful, but the actual game was fantastic with the writing being the best part.
I wouldn't quite count Wreck-It Ralph because he's actually talking at a support group, there's no narration in the film. The rest do, it's been a cliché for some time.
Poor Forespoken lol.
Yeah this writing appeals to younger people, I wouldn't have batted an eye at this style and would have been more focused on the content of the ad at that age.
The memes are funny though. I hope they're made in good faith
Yeah this writing appeals to younger people, I wouldn't have batted an eye at this style and would have been more focused on the content of the ad at that age.
The memes are funny though. I hope they're made in good faith
I'm talking about this
During A Preview, Forspoken Devs Described Their Black Protag In Cringe-Inducing Ways
Black folks were surprisingly absent during the Forspoken hands-off event
kotaku.com
View: https://youtu.be/NYYgSs2RkJQ
Here's the longer story trailer for people wondering how the dialog sounds less cut up. It's still a bunch of phrases cut together probably not all in one scene. It was criticized here quite a bit at the time too. I don't think it's quite as bad to warrant all the parody but they are funny.
There is definitely a level of earnestness to the dialog that I thinks gets to people. Reminds me of the videos of gen Z kids making fun of millennials and using all common phrases from like 2010.
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Because it's a tentpole release from Square Enix. Nobody cares about random AA or indie game with bad writing, just like no one is going to come here and talk about how Procedural Crime Drama 8162 has shit writing. Also there's been a rise in this kind of writing in games and people are getting tired of it. 🤷
If the character was a black character with black writers these criticisms wouldn't even exist.
Yuuuuuuup. I'll keep saying the same thing that the reactions are so embarrassing. There was discourse already back when it was first shown and she said "motherfucking dragons". I've lost count of trailers of other games showcasing actual terrible dialogue and no one bats an eye. This forum when it comes to Forspoken is actually embarrassing to behold.
meh it's not that bad. if you can handle the dialogue in something like ff7 remake i don't see how this is any worse even if has more western sensibilities to it. just recently neon white came out and that shit had some of the worst dialogue imaginable but the game was fun so who cares. i feel like if you slapped a more anime aesthetic on that dialogue jrpg fans would not bat an eye.
Probably doesn't help that that specific bit of dialogue seems ripped from a part of the game and just draped over B roll. I don't think the delivery is doing the writing any favors either.
If only but I guess we're not there yet.
That reminds me, we haven't seen how she gets transported there. Hopefully it's not by truck again.
I can't find the tweet right now, but I read one recently that said something about how much they disliked this kind of "uh well, THAT just happened" kind of writing because it just makes the writers sound insecure. Listening to this, I understand exactly what they mean. The "wow, isn't this all so unbelievable?" style of dialogue is exhausting to listen to. Just be confident in what you're writing.
The moment where I officially got tired of this kind of writing was probably around the Voltron Netflix remake.
Paraphrasing a bit, I rolled my eyes over the constant examples of:
"Uh oh, that monster has lasers! Lasers confirmed!"
"Do you think my Lion can shoot missiles? I'd like a Lion that can shoot missiles."
I found it especially cringe in the latest He-Man Kevin Smith series, where we have this one semi-audience surrogate character who constantly remarks over all the weird shit that goes on in Eternia, and I'm like "You LIVE in Eternia! None of this should be weird for you!". It got to the point where I was wondering if she was actually a traveler from Earth (wouldn't be the first time, that's a regular thing that happens in He-Man).
Admittedly, I am a sucker for "comparing thing to popular media thing", as long as it's done in a humorous anecdote and not just a Ready Player One "Oh wow it's just like pop culture thing!". I especially like when it's used as an action, like "Scooby Doo this shit".
I even had an IRL moment with this when me and my sister were originally going to spend the weekend at a resort with our parents, but bailed out when she wasn't feeling well. Couple days later our parents caught COVID from the trip, and over dinner my sister mentioned how she had "a bad feeling" about going to that trip.
To which I reply, half-seriously: "Did you just Final Destination me?"
To each their own, but I find it amusing. The shit above about just reacting to the thing we're seeing? Not so much.
Paraphrasing a bit, I rolled my eyes over the constant examples of:
"Uh oh, that monster has lasers! Lasers confirmed!"
"Do you think my Lion can shoot missiles? I'd like a Lion that can shoot missiles."
I found it especially cringe in the latest He-Man Kevin Smith series, where we have this one semi-audience surrogate character who constantly remarks over all the weird shit that goes on in Eternia, and I'm like "You LIVE in Eternia! None of this should be weird for you!". It got to the point where I was wondering if she was actually a traveler from Earth (wouldn't be the first time, that's a regular thing that happens in He-Man).
Admittedly, I am a sucker for "comparing thing to popular media thing", as long as it's done in a humorous anecdote and not just a Ready Player One "Oh wow it's just like pop culture thing!". I especially like when it's used as an action, like "Scooby Doo this shit".
I even had an IRL moment with this when me and my sister were originally going to spend the weekend at a resort with our parents, but bailed out when she wasn't feeling well. Couple days later our parents caught COVID from the trip, and over dinner my sister mentioned how she had "a bad feeling" about going to that trip.
To which I reply, half-seriously: "Did you just Final Destination me?"
To each their own, but I find it amusing. The shit above about just reacting to the thing we're seeing? Not so much.
The memes are pretty fun but, I've gotta say, this feels like exactly what id expect from Forspoken from what we've seen so far. I'd say the marketing folk who put this together probably nailed the brief they were given and, if you're the type of person who has been excitedly following the game based on what we've seen up to this point, this is probably the exact thing you're into or think is cool.
It's peak young adult, MCU, wheedon style 'I'm just a teen in a craaazy situation!' and I can't say it doesn't have its place for a certain crowd.
It's peak young adult, MCU, wheedon style 'I'm just a teen in a craaazy situation!' and I can't say it doesn't have its place for a certain crowd.
This.
Nobody was memeing Johanna in Deathloop, a game starring black characters and directed by a black man.
It's usually a mistake to draw too much of a conclusion from PR. There have been a lot of great games with cringey ads. Given who's involved in the writing of Forspoken, I do expect it to be pretty sassy, but hopefully, there will be good characterization and storytelling underlying it all.
The only consolation here is the lines are most probably cut and spliced from different points in the game. So it seems more like a marketing fail here. It might not be this tone in the actual game. I hope.
Anyway game still looks bad to play so whatever.
Anyway game still looks bad to play so whatever.
I'm talking about this
During A Preview, Forspoken Devs Described Their Black Protag In Cringe-Inducing Ways
Black folks were surprisingly absent during the Forspoken hands-off event
The argument that this can't be a racially targeted pile on because the writers are white seems…dishonest.
Wait, SoP bombed?
For shame :( Was hoping the memes and actually being a legit good game on release would've saved it.
Morbius memes didn't have anything to do with the movie, is the thing. He does not actually state that it's Morbin' Time at any point, and Morbin' Time is the only reason anyone on Earth would care about Morbius and all those memes came into existence in the first place because Sony's so desperate to cash in on capeshit that they made a movie about a minor Spider-Man villain.
Final Fantasy Origin's legendarily dunked on trailer had the word 'Chaos' spoken every eight seconds and then the trailer after that had the protagonist revealed as beloved Final Fantasy villain Garland (and play his own walking away music, that last one is what got me in) and it all wrapped up with a trailer set to Frank Sinatra. Everyone who bought FFO started off laughing their asses off, but what we ended up with was a spectacular game where the protagonist hurts his friend's feelings so he immediately declares that he's not mad and just has resting bitch face.
Before folks go to bat with "there's no such thing as 'MCU humor,'" there is, and this is it. I physically recoil every single time I hear the "YEAH, THAT'S ME" shit.
Yeah, this is my least favorite brand of fourth-wall acknowledgement. It's never very clever and it's never very funny, and every time it happens it just gets that one bit more stale for me.
I think it's the ad format that's making it worse, though - if I heard these as one-off lines in the game I'd probably just roll my eyes a little and quite happily keep playing, but all bundled together for this ad, they compound into one big cornball.
A huge and enduring trend on TikTok currently is the relentless mocking of this exact kind of writing and humour by everyone between the ages of 12 and 40. This stuff is for disney adults and nobody else.
It's a shame because the actual gameplay and movement and combat actually looks kind of dope, I want to play it, but I'm considering it might be the first game I ever play where I just skip cutscenes instantly and turn the dialogue audio down to 0, I could barely make it through this trailer.
The game looks so... boring. At least Strangers of Paradise had entertaining bad dialogue, this just seems bad.
Will hold out till we see more of course but so far the game has shown me nothing worthy of a purchase.
Will hold out till we see more of course but so far the game has shown me nothing worthy of a purchase.