From Software is the DiCaprio of the GOTY
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Your post pretty much nailed it.
The dismissal for Skyrim is really bizarre to me. I don't even like the game but it's an incredibly influential game.
OH Lordy. Closet Haters? I don't think that's a thing. I think people who don't like From are pretty damn open about it. Just because Skyrim (one of the biggest games of last gen) has a lot of recognition doesn't make people "closet haters" with some kind of anti-from agenda.
This is the year they have the biggest chance of winning, considering the competition isnt nearly as insane as the other years (except 2014 which was really bad).
I mean, currently I can only see Resident Evil 2 Remake threating it.
But yeah, if TLOU2 releases this year it is over.
I mean, currently I can only see Resident Evil 2 Remake threating it.
But yeah, if TLOU2 releases this year it is over.
Oscars are a joke but I will take No Country for Old Men over There will be Blood every time thank you very much.
Seriously, that douchey saying alone makes From Software fans some of the worst in the industry (and I say that as someone who loves their games).
I will sacrifice my first and second born for Kings Field 5.
I love their games but I want a slower exploration focused game. Their games lean more and more into fast combat. At this pace, their next game will be beat sabre.
Lol no. It's a norse coat of paint on Oblivion which itself was but a severely dumbed down Morrowind. It brought nothing new or worthwhile to the table.
As for 'most people'..source? The only thing we know is that it got more GOTY picks... in 2012... which itself has about zero relation to which game is better.
For a counterpoint here is Edge's 2017 top 100 games of all time where Dark Souls is #2, Skyrim shows up at #28 and Uncharted 2.. doesn't chart https://www.reddit.com/r/Gaming4Gam...ge_magazine_releases_2017_edition_of_the_100/ My guess is 'most people's' opinion on the relative standing of both games in 2019 is going to align with that list from 2 years ago.. or IGN's.. or Polygon's.
Two words: Apex Legends. Not my GOTY, but it does seem like the most likely game to take it out of anything that has released so far.
Also, tbf we really have no idea what is coming out this Fall for the most part. Maybe Gears 5 will be amazing. If Doom 2 is somehow better than Doom (2016), that could win a ton of GOTY awards. Giant Bomb is going to pick Mario Maker 2, whether anyone other than Jeff actually agrees with the decision. Respawn is really riding high on Apex, but maybe their new game will finally be the Star Wars game everyone's been waiting for for years. Like you say, Last of Us 2, or whatever exclusive Sony ships this Fall will probably do alright. Not to mention Dreams, which seems to be capturing a lot of imaginations. I could see some indie games coming out of nowhere as well. I think you might be understating how stacked 2019 could still end up being.
Facts. Some people smoking the good stuff in this thread. From are great but in what universe are we gonna pretend Skyrim ain't better than Dark Souls. It's easily one of the most influential games of last gen alongside Minecraft and COD4 and is the NUMBER ONE case study proving that your game can be a mainstream mega success without sacrificing too much depth. The anti-Bethesda sentiment on Era got some people wylin fr.
You know things are crazy when people are actually astonished that others might find Skyrim a better game.
It's a shame because there's a lot of people there willing to help and stuff, but the elitist gatekeepers are soooo vocal it just becomes about them most the time.
GameSpot knew what was up and give Demon's souls GOTY in 2009, beating the likes of Arkham, Uncharted 2 and modern warfare 2
So was this the year that people who dont play Fromsoftware games compartmentalize the people that do into those weirdo elitists that only like it because its hard and not because they are incredibly designed games?
Era is a place that continues to try to make God Hand a thing. Skyrim is straight up Kubrick-ian compared to some of the games we choose to get behind.
One of the highest rated, most awarded, highest selling, most influential games of all time has passionate defenders? SHOCK AND HORROR, HOLY SHIT. HOW CAN THAT BE WHEN RESETERA SHITS ON IT ALL THE TIME MY LIFE IS A LIE!!!11!
Uncharted 2 is literally one of the most influential games of last gen and a tentpole achievement for videogame pacing
Edit: oh sorry, I didn't mean to quote you. But anyway, now that you're here, make yourself at home!
Demons Souls was a staggering breakthrough in game design. Maybe uncharted 2 was the peak of refinement for the contemporary action game, but I would have fought for demon's souls tooth-and-nail.
Yeah, Era really likes From Software games. People tell me that a combination of reading item descriptions and listening to incredibly vague dialogue is the best narrative gaming has to offer. That is just some hyperbole nonsense. The only thing Soulsborne thing do right when it comes to narrative is environmental storytelling. Sekiro just proves how bad From is at writing characters and a cohesive story. This is coming from someone who thinks Bloodborne is one of the best games of all time.
First, I like Uncharted 2 a whole lot more than Demon's Souls, and I think it's the better game. But I'd actually argue Demon's Souls is more influential, it essentially birthed a sub genre that we're still seeing iterated upon and new successful entries in today. Uncharted 2 perfected the Uncharted formula, but that formula existed in the original Uncharted. Uncharted 2, by design, can't be as influential as its predecessor.
You seem to know what you're talking about. I'll just take your word for it.
> From games shouldn't have easy modes, thereby limiting their audience.
> Also, From games are robbed at GOTY awards.
Pick one. You can't have both.
> Also, From games are robbed at GOTY awards.
Pick one. You can't have both.
Reminder that Skyrim was the first western game that Famitsu gave a perfect score to. Reminder that Skyrim had the most GOTY awards of any game until TLOU showed up. Reminder that Skyrim absolutely broke Steam records that haven't been touched since. Reminder that EDGE originally gave Dark Souls a lower score before rectifying that at a later point while straight up awarding Skyrim a 10. Reminder that even if you weren't into gaming at the time, you would have heard of Skyrim. Reminder that Skyrim is one of the best selling games of all time while still retaining that Elder Scrolls formula we've come to enjoy. Reminder that Skyrim defined modern open-world games and still does eight years after launch.
Skyrim literally PROVED to every single game developer out there that success isn't dependent on core gamers. No one would argue against Dark Souls being a phenomenon but its game design and high level of challenge is a barrier that limits it to the core gamer crowd. Plenty of developers in the past have streamlined their games hard in order to allow for more people to get into it and that has resulted in quite a few backfires. Just look at Dragon Age to Dragon Age II. Skyrim as a whole was able to retain so much of the Elder Scrolls formula while avoiding the big issue of streamlining while simultaneously introducing new ways of getting those who haven't played any of the previous games into it. Like Phantom Thief says, plenty of well-regarded game developers cited the game as a huge inspiration. Hell, BioWare's Mark Darrah stated that Skyrim changed RPGs completely and I would agree with him.
Skyrim is both popular with enthusiasts and those who aren't regular players. It's not the most complex role playing game or even the most complex TES game but it's still a pretty deep RPG with a vast open world and hundreds of hours of content. It's presicely all of this that it's way more influential as far as the industry goes than Dark Souls. It's precisely this that it's one of the most awarded games of all-time. Bethesda were able to perfect this formula which is why they were able to stand head and shoulders above any other developer that year.
I know it's the new hip thing to shit on Bethesda because of Fallout 76, but imagine trying to unironically downplay Skyrim's influence on the gaming landscape as a whole.
Bloodborne is one of my favourite games of all time but the incessant comparing From's games to everything else is getting really annoying.
lol It's all good
A breakthrough? I mean, it's certainly influential but I wouldn't call it a breakthrough by any means. Stuff like GTA or Super Mario 64 are what I'd call breakthroughs
More than direct sub genre... The echoes of its influence we'll carry on and a million different games. I'm trying to think of games that were so jaw-dropping and single-handedly expanded the horizon of what games can do. We're talking a tiny handful here.
Yeah, and again, I'm someone who thinks Bloodborne is the peak of in game storytelling due to how it leverages the medium, but I am also cognizant of the simple fact that what Bloodborne does well that I love so much doesn't align with the larger preference when it comes to this sort of thing, and that's fine! Neither my preference is the correct one, nor is the preference of those who think otherwise.
This was absolutely evident in how the Skyrim remaster did relative to the Dark Souls one.
No, wait, the Skyrim remaster sold another few million copies, and the Dark Souls one sank without a trace.
"I don't actually have any meaningful counter argument, so let me put forth a wisecracking quip about your person instead"
Demon's Souls is definitely a breakthrough, and its DNA of design continues to reverberate in many games to this day. I mean, it's not a paradigm shift like the games you named, but it's definitely a breakthrough.
Those two, exactly. And demon's souls is the third. If you ask me, the story of modern gaming is Mario 64, Grand theft Auto 3, demon souls, and now breath of the wild.
You made no argument, just farted on your keyboard with the caps locked. I'll take that as a yes, btw.
Regardless of how much better Bloodborne is over the likes of The Witcher 3 (like, a thousand times better), The Witcher 3 just has a much broader appeal. That's just the reality of things, and in the conversation about awards and recognition, popularity is a more important metric than quality.
I'd disagree, not least because you are missing legitimate paradigm shifts such as Halo: CE, Call of Duty 4, Wii Sports, Angry Birds, Minecraft, Skyrim, Dark Souls, TLOU, and The Witcher 3 in that assessment.
"I still can't actually respond to your points, here, have more ad hominem"
Are we seriously considering the game that was a bug-fest on release, has a terribly boring main story, mediocre clunky gameplay, generic high fantasy art design, and bad dialogue on the same level as Darksouls 1? Yes Skyrim sold a ton but that doesnt make it influential or a triumph of game design unlike the impact Darksouls obviously had on game development which is definitely more direct. I love Skyrim for the music, the scope of its world, its lore and its breath of content but you just need to compare dragons from both games to see how much less homogenized Darksouls is with its vision.
Yeah tough competition and I think only two Japanese games have taken it at TGA, RE4 and BotW.
Sekiro's probably getting nominated this year but there have been stellar games like RE2 and Apex that's gonna fight for that spot. We might have a Sony juggernaut releasing later this year and Respawns Star Wars game can end up being crazy good.
Sekiro's probably getting nominated this year but there have been stellar games like RE2 and Apex that's gonna fight for that spot. We might have a Sony juggernaut releasing later this year and Respawns Star Wars game can end up being crazy good.
"let's play the reductive quote game because I'm really upset people love From games"
OK I can see the appeal
My friend, if you legitimately think the influence of Dark Souls, or really, any game in the last ten years except for Modern Warfare, comes anywhere close to Skyrim's, you need to step back and get some perpsective.
Your personal assessment of Skyrim's merits or demerits is irrelevant. The game is literally marking an epochal shift in development, very little else compares.
Oh my god you're letting everyone into this party. The only one I would consider adding would be world of warcraft.
I guess it depends on what you consider a breakthrough. It's definitely a shift from the sort of games we normally get so I can see that. I just always saw stuff like Skyrim, Call of Duty, and Uncharted as more influential titles
I would personally hesitate to consider BotW to be a breakthrough, at least until we see more of it's influence seep into future open world and even non-open world titles. I love the hell out of it but it's influence hasn't been felt just yet
Right, I forgot that!
The thing is, gaming is far too broad and diverse a medium for only three games to have defined it. The games I named, plus the ones you named, all collectively signify major shifts for the industry, we can't just ignore them.
Yeah. I'd be interested in influence Uncharted 2 made. Chrono Trigger is often listed as one of the best games of all time, but it didn't seem to have much influence on future JRPGs.
I always thought the Era bubble was just a meme but people are really gonna try and argue that Skyrim wasn't influential as fuck
Read my post above