gamerman

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People should go rewatch The Last of Us gameplay reveal again. It mightn't look as realistic as this but it was just as brutal, it's not just out of the blue, it's how the franchise as been from the beginning.

I think its the level of realism here that is unsettling. Also, I feel the trailer should have been edited like a Rated R movie trailer. There is no need to show the violence in a trailer. It's just came of as something horrific.

I think now that games have reached this level of realism that this game needed a splash screen. Something like the following game is intended for mature audiences: It depicts unsettling scenes of torture and violence. Viewer discretion is advised.
 

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FWIW, I'm fine with the trailer. I don't think it was shocking considering the previous game. I think they know what sells these games and went with it. Now whether that's appropriate for everyone? That's fair enough to discuss.
 

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It's an M rated post-apocalyptic game that borrows from similarly shocking and emotional pieces of entertainment like The Walking Dead and The Road. It's going to have some pretty disturbing things to capture that vibe and tell its story.

There's no "culture of violence" here, it's apart of the story they're telling. This is Naughty Dog we're talking about, not some team of shock-jocks. I'm sure it will fit fine in the context of the narrative.
This 1000 %
 

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Oh, it took longer than I thought.Complain about violence in a post apocalyptic world with murderers and psychopaths everywhere.This is nothing compared with what we saw in movies and others games.LOL
 

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Why is this seen as a publicity stunt? Even from a pure marketing/sales perspective, this seems pretty stupid. Publicity is only as valuable as the eyes it puts on your project, but if those eyes don't like what they see then there's no point.

Are people really going to see the Detroit trailer and want to buy the game? It doesn't have any lurid appeal. It's just utterly grim. I suspect many people that come across it will simply not want to buy or play a game where a child gets beaten to death as a result of their actions.

Your reduction of the trailer into "this game shows kids being murdered" is just as bad, maybe worse, than any of the actual content of these trailers. It is a game about choice and consequences, that was the point of the trailer, to show how different things can turn out with different player choices. Did you play any of this developers earlier games ? They also have scenarios featuring life and death which can change based on player choices .. yes, also including children.

Of course no one will buy Detroit as a child-killing simulator .. because that's not what the fucking game is -_-
 

Natels

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Why is this seen as a publicity stunt? Even from a pure marketing/sales perspective, this seems pretty stupid. Publicity is only as valuable as the eyes it puts on your project, but if those eyes don't like what they see then there's no point.

Are people really going to see the Detroit trailer and want to buy the game? It doesn't have any lurid appeal. It's just utterly grim. I suspect many people that come across it will simply not want to buy or play a game where a child gets beaten to death as a result of their actions.

Simply because people will talk about it, gaming pages will share it on facebook and will reach more people. And people really seem to enjoy violent stuff as we saw in the first game's gameplay reveal.
 

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For someone that had an abusive family and was beaten by her dad. Saw my mum get beaten too. I dont need this shit in my games.

Theres violence. Then therrs outright unenjoyable violence
I mean I feel bad for you...but you can avoid it as such....people are allowed to enjoy content like this as mature adults.
 

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I am okay with it in games of course but, as you touch upon, the issue is with how this was presented. This was unadulterated violence presented without context. Kind of just for the sake of it, without knowing who these characters were, or what was going on. In the game, it'll fit for sure, giving the benefit of the doubt to Naughty Dog. But in a conference like this, that trailer did nothing for me. It didn't make me more excited for the game, and it didn't really even make me think about "how did they end up in this situation?" because I was too pre-occupied about whether that one woman was going to cut open that other woman's stomach or not.

Always weirds me out when crowds are clapping and cheering for what is just a lot of blood and killing going on in trailers. I don't mean praising exciting gameplay of which that is the end result, but purely for the violence. Odd stuff.

This.

Even if you ignore the fact that it's blatant torture porn, it was a lackluster trailer in general. It does nothing to justify the intense violence, nor does it properly inform you on what kind of game TLoU2 will be.
 

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I legitimately do not understand the complaints. The violence is contextualized, it is coherent and consistent with the tone of The Last of Us and its setting, it is not gratuitous, it even shows the victims fighting back and not just being helplessly screaming in pain for several minutes or whatever. Calling this "torture porn" is beyond hyperbolic. Edit: As for if it's appropriate for a trailer: I can't see why not. It introduces new characters with an interesting premise (a religious fanatics and people opposing them, I'm already interested to see where this will go) and sets the tone, which, again, is consistent with the previous game.

We also know from precedent that TLoU handles brutality and violence in ways that isn't edgy schlock and the trailer is consistent with that.

When women ask for equality, they aren't saying "please beat us too!!"
Speak for yourself. I have certainly no problem with female enemy combatants. In fact I always found it extremely bizarre that Naughty Dog games consistently refrained from including them, even in games where the lead antagonist is female (TLoU, Uncharted 4).
 

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The idea that we should mask or hide the darker side of socitey/humans when protraying art for general audiences makes me sad.
 

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This isn't new. I remember the original Last of Us live demo with a guy begging for mercy before being shotgunned in the face being met with uproarious screams of excitement.
Yep, that moment immediately came to mind when I read the thread. It had a back and forth between it being a way to relieve the tension gathered throughout the trailer or if it was more gratuitous that it was warranted.

I don't think it's the content that's troubling. Some will take offense that you're centering on TLOU, which I think is tonally sound and doesn't sugar coat the psychotic aspects of Joel, but at the same time, still employs gratitious violence for cathartic purposes. I don't think there's anything to criticize about that. After all, explotiation films have been a staple for decades and directors like Tarantino have elevated them while also reveling in the most childish aspects of said violence.

I do think – and with this I agree with you – that PR continuously panders to this exploitative aspect of violence. And that's when it becomes off putting. It's decontextualized and put on a corporate setting, where the suit or the creative director is dissociated from what happens on screen as they pitch you the product. There's a bizarre effervescence between the violence, the penis measuring contest for companies and the perky PR personalities that somehow sanitize what they're showing.

It's definately weird.
 
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ibyea

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Like pain and violence for the sake of pain and violence is the opposite of adult. It's childish, lizard brain mentality, and people are treating the marketing as if it were some sophisticated take on the human condition.
 

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"Torture porn" is such a weird phrase to use for this trailer. It didn't seem like the trailer was revelling in the violence, just displaying the violence. 'The Last of Us Part II will be a harsh, brutal game' seemed to be the message.

I don't think there's any obligation to market a rosier version of the game than actually exists, and I doubt it was a "let's sell copies" motivated decision either (this would have to be chopped to heck to play as a YouTube advertisement). It seemed to sincerely be "This is The Last of Us Part II ... yeeeah, buckle up".
 

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Why is this seen as a publicity stunt? Even from a pure marketing/sales perspective, this seems pretty stupid. Publicity is only as valuable as the eyes it puts on your project, but if those eyes don't like what they see then there's no point.

Are people really going to see the Detroit trailer and want to buy the game? It doesn't have any lurid appeal. It's just utterly grim. I suspect many people that come across it will simply not want to buy or play a game where a child gets beaten to death as a result of their actions.

I mean, this was a presentation of new games by Sony.

It's the very definition of a publicity stunt.

And they did a very similar marketing campaigns with lots of their other games. TOLU 1 for instance. God of War is a franchise built on that.... and there's many, many more example across the industry, especially in the past. I don't think i subscribe to the theory that these kinds of marketing campaigns hurt sales.
 

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It sounds to me that this trailer did exactly what it intended to do. Make the viewer intrigued, uncomfortable, wince, and be shocked. on top of that we're all talking about it.

I thought it was intense and excellent.
 

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To provide a comparison, they were also asked similar questions about their impressions of profanity and sexual content in the media. Participants were also asked about their religious beliefs, general views on aggression, and the kind of television programs they typically watched. Finally, they were asked to answer an open-ended question about why (or why not) they felt offended by violence in the media and how offended they would feel about encountering aggression in real life.

Researchers found that participants were generally more offended by real-life violence than they were by any kind of media violence. As for media violence in particular, participants reported being more offended by violence in music and advertising than what they might encounter in movies or television.

There were also clear gender differences, with women tending to be more offended by media violence than men. Men also reported being more desensitized to violence than women and also more likely to consider media violence to be a normal part of life. Religion seems to be another factor that can affect how people view media violence. Men reporting strong religious views were more likely to report being offended by violence in the media (while it doesn't appear to have been a factor for women).

As for specific reasons people tend to give for finding media violence offensive, they tended to focus on a few themes: being offended by how violence is often glamorized, regarding violence as inhumane, or empathy towards the victims. For many participants who denied feeling offended, the most common reason given was that the violence they were seeing tended to be unrealistic. Overall however, most participants were particularly offended by violence directed against women or children and are especially offended if they are watching this kind of violence with children or close family members present.

The most important point raised by Coyne et al. in discussing their findings is that how people view media violence depends on personal and situational factors that can shape whether they feel disgust or find it entertaining. In general, people continue to be more offended by sexual content and profanity than they are by violence, and the trend toward greater violence in the media isn't likely to reverse itself anytime soon. While more research is definitely needed, we have to understand the implications of this growing desensitization toward media violence and how it might affect the way people respond to violence in real life.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/media-spotlight/201611/why-are-we-offended-media-violence

Decent short read. Violence against women and children often has more of an outraged response than against men, as society is more conditioned to expect men to be massacred in fantasy such as film/games. While you might not get ND to admit it on record, only having the bandits in TLoU 1 as males might have been a conscious decision due to the level of brutal violence. Clickers/infected don't come across as "human", and any sort of alien/infected/zombie are less visually representing of real people. Most viewers can detach easier and think "but these are monsters, not real people".

Obviously now with Druckmann unleashed, he explained to us very early on TLoU 2 was going to be about hate and be brutal. Apart from being a tech demo, this trailer was about showing that. Also showing they are not afraid to allow women to be handled like men will be in this post apocalyptic world.

Ultimately, nudity/sex still beats violence for outrage, but as visual stimulation reaches higher levels as graphics in games become more realistic, more people will be unable to cope with violence. I still remember some people saying God of War 3 pushed over their limit.
 

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I guess I disagree with people saying it only conveyed violence. I was left with a feeling of intrigue.
 

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See, that's the thing, this is totally true. Even torture porn movies have the decency to contextualize their violence in the trailers even if it's really really dumb.
I'm not sure that's the reason. I think it's more likely that they know why people watch those movies, so if they show their most violent scene this audience wont have a reason to see the movie, so it's better to just tease the horrific death device.
 

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It's an M rated post-apocalyptic game that borrows from similarly shocking and emotional pieces of entertainment like The Walking Dead and The Road. It's going to have some pretty disturbing things to capture that vibe and tell its story.

There's no "culture of violence" here, it's apart of the story they're telling. This is Naughty Dog we're talking about, not some team of shock-jocks. I'm sure it will fit fine in the context of the narrative.
I can agree with that. It's been handled fairly in the past
 

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This.

Even if you ignore the fact that it's blatant torture porn, it was a lackluster trailer in general. It does nothing to justify the intense violence, nor does it properly inform you on what kind of game TLoU2 will be.
The trailer was clearly not lack lustre...it got attention and did what they wanted it to..the sole purpose for a trailer.
 

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For someone that had an abusive family and was beaten by her dad. Saw my mum get beaten too. I dont need this shit in my games.

Theres violence. Then therrs outright unenjoyable violence
Sorry to hear that but you don't have to play this type of game if it offends you,I was beaten too but I am able to disconnect a video game from reality.
 

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That trailer fit in perfectly with the context of the world those characters are in. Didn't feel out of place for me at all after playing the first game. Only thing I would say is maybe they should have put in a content warning before it was shown.

It fit perfect but u guys didnt know what game it was n keep saying no thats not last of us etc
 

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I missed the conference, but just watched the trailer, and y i k e s is all I can say.

This is a huge event, Paris Games Week, not quite E3 millions of people the world over watching, but it's still a large event with a lot of eyeballs and news outlets on it wanting to get the latest scoops and a lot of people would be tuned in, especially a much younger audience.

A vague warning at the very beginning of the conference that there may be titles rated "M" would not prepare you for what you are about to see. Some titles get the M rating and they're rated as such because characters swear and there's some violence and blood, like a fist fight, or something similar to what you'd see in GTA. I was not expecting what I saw in that trailer in the slightest.. it'd be akin to debuting the Tomb Raider reboot by showing all the explicit and graphic ways Lara can die in QTE's.

As has been stated several times over in this thread, no one is arguing whether or not this degree of violence should be allowed, but the context in which it's presented, at a large event such as this, demonstrating some .. pretty graphic violence, is atleast enough to raise an eyebrow about. For many gamers being so worried about what public sphere thinks about them, they seem to lack self-awareness when a show this large is debuting "torture porn" as a major achievement to be celebrated and cheered on. It gives the impression that we as a consumerbase crave unadulerated sadism, and that this is something we want the world to know enjoy, in a primal display.

While amongst ourselves we may know better, or have context from prior games, or be aware of the genre, but to an outsider looking in, which many would because again, this is a huge event, with many eyeballs on it, within our sphere and outside of it, and the message that is being sent is, "this is a celebration of our medium, graphic scenes of violence and torture".
 

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I don't think the way that The Last of Us Part II was shown off today does the game any favors, nor does it really do the medium any favors if we're interested in making video games a more welcoming environment where everyone can feel safe and welcome. To reiterate, the game should absolutely be allowed to exist in its current form, but I don't think that within the current social climate, this is the right way to sell the game. A trailer like this would work better being put out online with a very strong content warning beforehand, perhaps also accompanied by an interview discussing the need to dispaly such content in the game, how it is serving the themes of the story, and an assurance that the development team are aware of how it could make people feel and how they're committed to be sensitive in their handling of it.

Instead, it was presented for everyone to see as an obvious example of why this is the best time ever to be a "gamer", with the implication being that this is the sort of game that any real "gamer" would love to play. I think that this is a bit of a troubling notion, and I hope that this is something that we can start to push back against over the next few years. We've made some strides in recent years to try to become more welcoming, but there's still a lot of work left to be done, especially by some of the biggest names in the medium.

Maybe it's just me, but in the thread where people were posting live impressions of the presentation, there were a lot of people reacting strongly — what the fuck, jesus christ, etc. I'm not sure if it's enough to draw far-reaching conclusions, but I got a feeling that it was a bit too much for people. It's not necessarily a turn-off from buying the game (it is for me, I don't like TLOU, I don't like the setting/theme of the game and I sure as hell don't enjoy seeing this sort of realistic violence), but maybe Naughty Dog will take notice of the reaction this particular trailer got, and maybe future demonstrations of the game, too.

Games like this and stories like this will draw disproportionate attention compared to some super-popular and totally non-violent games. No one will be like "oh hey, check this out, Mario and Zelda aren't violent and are very popular and well-regarded, this reflects good on gamers and their hobby", it's gonna be stories like "violent games and their hateful sites/chats breed nazism, l'horreur!", but I don't take a particularly grim view of the hobby, the games we play or the people playing them.
 

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Sorry to hear that but you don't have to play this type of game if it offends you,I was beaten too but I am able to disconnect a video game from reality.

I agree with the first part of your post, not all games are for all people, but the second part of your post is a little crass and continues to show the same misunderstandings and rush to judgement that's be exemplary of your posts in this thread. The poster you quoted is also able to disconnection a video game from reality, but PTSD and it's effects cannot be understated in these types of situations.
 

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Being disturbing and uncomfortable is entire point of the scene, complementing the theme of the game and scenarios one would expect in this genre. It shows a grounded direction and none of it was really senseless.

Maybe a warning of adult content and 18+ but there's no need for any other restriction.
 

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It's really weird to me that games are always under fire for this type of stuff while many of the people that are critics of it teach their kids stories from the bible about a father sacrificing his son because he heard god tell him too as some sort of lesson. In a world of a zombie apocalypse, the violence seen in TLOU is the tip of the iceberg of what would realistically happen. Censoring art isn't how you stop our culture's desensitization to violence. Stopping the actual real life stuff is.

It isn't the job of TLOU to make gamers feel safe and welcome. Go play loco roco
 

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In some ways I agree with you, but A) I think that's actually gotten better than it was last gen on the whole, and B) The trailer you are asking for is what we got as last year's PSX already.
 

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The problem I had with the trailer while watching it was that the events are pretty much totally uncontextualized. There's a sense of "Oh, that's horrific," but even that was undercut for me by feeling little connection to what's happening.

I'm not sure what kind of "message" people are drawing from the trailer, but it honestly just felt like plain, bad marketing. I've felt "connected" to the brutality on display in Wolfenstein marketing, or even something tamer like Dishonored, or even something without much story like DOOM. But this just felt like it was there to be there.

I feel like this is exactly what I was feeling after the trailer, put very eloquently.
 
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I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. I mean I have read books from decades ago that make that trailer look pretty tame. Everything is fair game when it comes to fiction imo and it's up to the user to filter out what they find tasteless or repulsive. There also doesn't always need to be context for everything shown. If it made you feel uncomfortable, that is fine. It was likely intended to do so. Such is art.
 

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I think its the level of realism here that is unsettling. Also, I feel the trailer should have been edited like a Rated R movie trailer. There is no need to show the violence in a trailer. I think now that games have reached this level of realism that this game needed a splash screen. Something like the following game is intended for mature audiences: It depicts unsettling scenes of torture and violence. Viewer discretion is advised.
Yeah, can definitely see it seeming much worse in comparison due to how much more realistic it looks, but my point was it's not like the first wasn't the same in how brutal it was and how in your face it was about it.

A warning would have been a good solution though.
 

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I don't think it does the game any favors for the first impression people have of it to be a gratuitous torture scene absent of any context. That's just my personal take on the matter. Clearly a lot of people in here felt like it was the perfect way to show off the game, so maybe I'm wrong.

Beyond that, I just feel a bit put off by this (and the Detroit trailer, too) being the way Sony chooses to market their games to the audience. Violence absolutely has a place in games, but does it need to be the main selling point here? "Look at all of the crazy torture that will happen in this game!" *audience cheers* I don't think it shows off the audience or the companies that are driving the medium in a particularly good light, and I think that if we want to look at the reputation problem that gaming has in attracting new people into the audience, we can start our search there.

I agree that it was an awful trailer because of the lack of context. I'm not sure that tricking people into thinking gaming is something that it's not is going to be an effective long term strategy in attracting new people. If people don't like what Sony is selling, there's plenty of alternatives. A content warning would've been appropriate I think.
 

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For someone that had an abusive family and was beaten by her dad. Saw my mum get beaten too. I dont need this shit in my games.

Theres violence. Then therrs outright unenjoyable violence
Nobody force you to buy the game, but i don't see why game as a media should censure itself about it
Do movies, songs and books should be censored too ?

Exploring these themes are a necessity
 

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The scene is supposed to be dark...dark stuff happens..if people want games to be taken more serious then start acting like it? Violence has been a part of humanity forever, way worse than we saw here.
 

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So the trailer is not your cup of tea. I respect your opinion even though it differs from mine. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint.
 
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I kind of agree with the strangeness of how normal and accepted it is to show extreme violence without warning in a very general showcase in the middle of the afternoon. There seems to be an unspoken presumption of "If you're a gamer then you're fine with this".

Yeah, that's a lot of what I was getting at. I don't have a problem with this sort of content existing, but it's weird and unsettling for me that this is what is now being shown as sort of the default "if you're a gamer, you'll love this!"

Would you tell Kubrick that you want his movies to be welcoming? Would tell Spielberg to tone down the violence in SPR and Schindler's List just so it's welcoming to children? Your problem seems to be Sony showing this trailer without warning and well, people who are watching these conferences arent children. they are in school right now. teens are used to worse. The trailers on youtube come with warning.

No, I would not. Did you read my post at all? But I would maybe tell the studios not to show the equivalent to what Sony showed in that trailer at 4Pm in the afternoon or to show it next to a Spider-Man trailer.

Wasn't that statement more of a summary of the whole show? The whole show certainly offered a whole variety of games where everyone should find something they'll like. I believe you're extrapolating a bit much if you conclude that this means people will feel unwelcome.

It was said pretty much immediately before this trailer. I feel like the suggestion is very much that games like this are why it's supposedly the best time to be a gamer.
 

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I agree with the first part of your post, not all games are for all people, but the second part of your post is a little crass and continues to show the same misunderstandings and rush to judgement that's be exemplary of your posts in this thread.
I am not judging her at all, I'm stating that I have no problem separating the two, which is why I am ok with and enjoy extreme violence in videogames.
 

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....as if this was some fetishized depiction of violence

I don't really get the difference between fetishized or unfetishized violence. Is there such a thing? Care to explain?

You can only hope that they handle it as best as possible without making it actual torture porn.

That is literally impossible. There is no way to picture violence in a way that won't appeal to someone, and I doubt there is a way that you can make violence that won't appeal to torture porn fans.

Not like it matters. The issue is the use of violence (against women, to boot) as cheap drama, and it doesn't get much cheaper than the trailer used to introduce the game to an audience. Using violence in a scene in the game against a character we have come to know and love generates drama, but the game had to earn it beforehand. Using it extensively in a trailer against characters whose characterization up to that point is Victim #1 and Victim #2? Might as well put a shot of the Saw mask at the end.
 

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Surprised at all this "too much violence" talk directed at the Last of Us 2 trailer.

Did you guys even play The Last of Us?
 

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Handling it in a serious, sobering tone? I mean, it's just violence for the sake of reveling in violence. This is what happened with Walking Dead too. It stopped being about philosophical questions of removing man from society, that Lord of the Flies kind of joint, and just indulges in brutality. So yeah, in terms of tone I'd say what we saw in the trailer is torture porn. It's presented to viewers to excite them with violence. They were literally selling two games to the audience today based primarily on how violent and brutal they were. Well, actually three games if you want to count GoW.

For me, all this stuff feels tone deaf in 2017 when actual, real life events are depicting "humanity at its lowest." That's not what I want to see now when I play games, and it's certainly not what I want to get bombarded with when I watch a keynote.

Violence for the sake of violence? You think they wrote this script just to get more violence in the game and in their marketing materials?
I don't know how anyone can play TLOU and come to this conclusion.

They are telling a story here that I picked up on and was able to place within the context of the world.
The fact that the trailer made me uncomfortable at times was exactly the point. It told us about the horrors and hardship that people in that universe endure.
I personally can separate all that from the real world, luckily. And it makes me want to experience the story in full.
 

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Nobody force you to buy the game, but i don't see why game as a media should censure itself about it
Do movies, songs and books should be censored too ?
This...huge double standard here....games are not ready for prime time clearly.

Violence for the sake of violence? You think they wrote this script just to get more violence in the game and in their marketing materials?
I don't know how anyone can play TLOU and come to this conclusion.

They are telling a story here that I picked up on and was able to place within the context of the world.
The fact that the trailer made me uncomfortable at times was exactly the point. It told us about the horrors and hardship that people in that universe endure.
I personally can separate all that from the real world, luckily. And it makes me want to experience the story in full.
A whole lot of assumptions being made..ND focuses on story so it's laughable people are saying no context...there def will be,
 

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I'd understand the complaints more if the trailer was just sizzle real of executions and what not. But there's clearly more story telling going on than that.

Also, always felt weird about 'torture porn'. It's nearly always used in a derogatory way against people who enjoy violent movies or horrors etc. As if the critics are somehow better than you for not liking it.

Always been a fan of horror movies ranging from purely psychological and not at all graphic, to extremely gory. There's an appreciation for the special effects and it can be entertaining.

Anyway, that's off topic from the OP.