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I'm a millennial and this is the exact form of humor I and my friends had as a teenager. Not sure how this is unique to Gen Z. I feel like it's unique to being a teenager.

the shit teenagers were doing on the internet ten or fifteen years ago was no less unhinged or inscrutable than anything that's going on now

one day the current crop of teenagers will be the old timers who don't understand the younger generation, and the cycle will continue like it always does
To clarify, I was not trying to say there was something unique about Gen Z. More that millennials, which have not had to contend or compete with a burgeoning new internet culture from a different demographic before Gen Z, are not well equipped to parse content they did not themselves collectively produce.
 

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Honestly, just kind of went over facts with him. To say that learning about the Holocaust is downplayed in rural areas compared to others is... something. Simple fact sharing was eye-opening for him.

After that, the kid was already getting into hip-hop, so it was pretty easy to point out how a lot of the stuff he was listening to (Kendrick was his favorite) already was heavily rooted in social justice. Coupled that with rising stories of police brutality from the earlier protests.

Not to excuse the kid doing it in the first place, but he literally had zero ethnic kids at his high school-- 100% white graduating class (no exaggeration). It was easy to show him what kind of repercussions belonging to certain groups and saying certain things can permanently damage his reputation if he was planning on going away for college or whenever he gets a job.
Kid seems like had a level and receptive head. Just needed a little guidance.
 

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To clarify, I was not trying to say there was something unique about Gen Z. More that millennials, which have not had to contend or compete with a burgeoning new internet culture from a different demographic before Gen Z, are not well equipped to parse content they did not themselves collectively produce.

My bad then, I think that's an accurate take
 

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To clarify, I was not trying to say there was something unique about Gen Z. More that millennials, which have not had to contend or compete with a burgeoning new internet culture from a different demographic before Gen Z, are not well equipped to parse content they did not themselves collectively produce.
I see what you're saying now that it's been rephrased. 100 percent, I think.
 

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To clarify, I was not trying to say there was something unique about Gen Z. More that millennials, which have not had to contend or compete with a burgeoning new internet culture from a different demographic before Gen Z, are not well equipped to parse content they did not themselves collectively produce.

To be honest, I don't think this is any too different than what Boomers and Gen Xers thought about Millennials growing up. The internet has definitely shifted culture, but if anything the younger generation of Millenials growing up in the precursor to that culture has left them better equipped to parse it.
 

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To be honest, I don't think this is any too different then Boomers and Gen Xers thought about Millennials growing up. The internet has definitely shifted culture, but if anything the younger generation of Millenials growing up in the precursor to that culture has left them better equipped to parse it.

While I think that's true, and that younger kids are more "woke" about stuff than people in my age group and older, younger kids are getting exposed to the unsavory corners of the internet in higher volumes due to the ubiquity of devices that can connect to the internet. When I graduated high school, I'd say only 20% or so of students even had a computer— and that's being generous. I think it stands to reason there is a significant risk of a higher volume of kids getting indoctrinated, even if the baseline of zoomers that are more progressive and able to parse unsavory stuff is higher.
 

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While I think that's true, and that younger kids are more "woke" about stuff than people in my age group and older, younger kids are getting exposed to the unsavory corners of the internet in higher volumes due to the ubiquity of devices that can connect to the internet. When I graduated high school, I'd say only 20% or so of students even had a computer— and that's being generous. I think it stands to reason there is a significant risk of a higher volume of kids getting indoctrinated, even if the baseline of zoomers that arr more progressive is higher.

It's actually kind of surreal to me, as a millennial, that when you graduated, that only around 20% or so of students had a computer. I think a significant number of people in my school year had a computer by that point because that was right about the time everything was becoming ubiquitous and everyone had a laptop or a cheap eMachines or Dell. But I also recognize that it might vary from culture to culture, even within the US.

That being said, there is definitely a very real concern due to the ubiquity of mobile devices and such. I'm not sure I'd use "unhinged and inscrutable" to accurately describe it, as Finale Fireworker did. But it is unquestionably true that they're consuming internet culture at a much more rapid pace than even the youngest of millennials.
 

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Surely he can't be arrested for this, can't he? Sued perhaps, but arrested? I mean, what would the charges be? He just walked up an unguarded stage and said some incredibly stupid and lame speech on an open mic without even interrupting the intended speakers. Kanye West did worse and he got away with it just fine...
 

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Surely he can't be arrested for this, can't he? Sued perhaps, but arrested? I mean, what would the charges be? He just walked up an unguarded stage and said some incredibly stupid and lame speech on an open mic without even interrupting the intended speakers. Kanye West did worse and he got away with it just fine...

Trespassing is a crime, so yeah he can be arrested for this. And possibly sued as well. Although I'm curious to see if he'll receive any leniency due to being a kid and the fact that ultimately nothing harmful happened.
 

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Surely he can't be arrested for this, can't he? Sued perhaps, but arrested? I mean, what would the charges be? He just walked up an unguarded stage and said some incredibly stupid and lame speech on an open mic without even interrupting the intended speakers. Kanye West did worse and he got away with it just fine...

I think it's up to the organizer or owners. Think of runners on field. I think they can get trespassing or disturbing the peace. If they want to they can make something up.

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Surely he can't be arrested for this, can't he? Sued perhaps, but arrested? I mean, what would the charges be? He just walked up an unguarded stage and said some incredibly stupid and lame speech on an open mic without even interrupting the intended speakers. Kanye West did worse and he got away with it just fine...
Being arrested is just being taken into custody. Trespassing and intentionally breaching levels of security seem like a good enough reason to arrest somebody and then make a decision from there. It sounds like they didn't press charges and just sent him on his way.
 

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Surely he can't be arrested for this, can't he? Sued perhaps, but arrested? I mean, what would the charges be? He just walked up an unguarded stage and said some incredibly stupid and lame speech on an open mic without even interrupting the intended speakers. Kanye West did worse and he got away with it just fine...

Well judging from Totilo reporting and seeing Schreier conducting an interview with the kid, it looks like the kid was just detained and not officially "arrested" or else Geoff would've gone ahead with charges last night. I'm sure what was done if I was them is take a photo of the kid akin to a shoplifter, take down all his information provided by an ID and if he doesn't have one, definitely notify his parents (and I'm sure his parents and/or guardians were notified) to verify his info. I mean there's really nothing else you can do but learn from your mistakes in preventing this from happening again.
 

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Surely he can't be arrested for this, can't he? Sued perhaps, but arrested? I mean, what would the charges be? He just walked up an unguarded stage and said some incredibly stupid and lame speech on an open mic without even interrupting the intended speakers. Kanye West did worse and he got away with it just fine...

If he does get charge, I would imagine it would be a long community sentence and getting banned from the VGA. Juvi seems lees likely as it was not a violent event.
 

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Trespassing is a crime, so yeah he can be arrested for this. And possibly sued as well. Although I'm curious to see if he'll receive any leniency due to being a kid and the fact that ultimately nothing harmful happened.

He also didn't interrupt the award itself. He just stood there like he belonged and only made his move when the whole show was basically over.
 

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So it's probably more that he was apprehended by Event Security, they got information about him, and then told him to get lost or contacted their parent/guardian if they were a minor (not sure on their policies and laws.)

Easy for Geoff to say "arrested" as the colloquial meaning of being detained by security and not from the hyper-specific legal definition involving Law Enforcement and specifically being charged with crimes.
 

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I assume the only punishment here is banned from future shows.
 

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Was the kid's accent real or was that some sort of put-on?
There was a tiktok of the kid posted a little earlier on and it sounds like that's his real voice. He might have lowered his voice a bit during the TGA maybe to seem tough, maybe out of fear.

So it's probably more that he was apprehended by Event Security, they got information about him, and then told him to get lost or contacted their parent/guardian if they were a minor (not sure on their policies and laws.)

Easy for Geoff to say "arrested" as the colloquial meaning of being detained by security and not from the hyper-specific legal definition involving Law Enforcement and specifically being charged with crimes.
Likely handled by the Nintendo ninjas.
 

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I assumed last night that he was escorted out of the building after the incident by security, and Geoff reported that as an "arrest"
 

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View: https://twitter.com/ethangach/status/1601350504642412544?cxt=HHwWgIDU4ZbzkbksAAAA

the pertinent part regarding the "arrest"

They said Even was taken to a "secure area" inside the Microsoft Theater by TGA security staff where he was then questioned by venue security as well as "TGA-hired onsite LAPD officers." They said he was then taken into custody and transported to a local police station for booking by the TGA-hired LAPD officers in their patrol vehicle. When asked about that version of events, a representative from the LAPD would only confirm that the individual had been transported to a station. Since no arrest was made, it's unclear how long he was held for questioning.

so it's easy to see why geoff's tweet said that

Was the kid's accent real or was that some sort of put-on?

There was a tiktok of the kid posted a little earlier on and it sounds like that's his real voice. He might have lowered his voice a bit during the TGA maybe to seem tough, maybe out of fear.


Likely handled by the Nintendo ninjas.

he has an entire youtube channel with videos so you can decide for yourself
 

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Geoff probably saw that the kid was taken by the LAPD or was told that he was and wrote arrested in the tweet without giving it much thought. I probably would have done the same too.
 

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As an aside, I am planning a trip to LA this year. I hope this doesn't end public ticket sales.
 

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It's actually kind of surreal to me, as a millennial, that when you graduated, that only around 20% or so of students had a computer. I think a significant number of people in my school year had a computer by that point because that was right about the time everything was becoming ubiquitous and everyone had a laptop or a cheap eMachines or Dell. But I also recognize that it might vary from culture to culture, even within the US.

That being said, there is definitely a very real concern due to the ubiquity of mobile devices and such. I'm not sure I'd use "unhinged and inscrutable" to accurately describe it, as Finale Fireworker did. But it is unquestionably true that they're consuming internet culture at a much more rapid pace than even the youngest of millennials.

I'm a young millennial, almost Gen Z, and when I graduated I'd say 20% of my peers had computers, at most - and smartphone adoption was at like 10%, but probably closer to 5. So I can definitely corroborate that where you grow up definitely affects what the adoption rate of computers was like.
 

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Can I use this thread as an opportunity to finally say those shoes are fucking hideous? Like, my god though. I had a coworker who wore these and the weird foam ones that looked like Amygdala from Bloodborne. So bad.
 

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Back to the whole shoe debate… I'll be honest i think the person is trolling about "just getting the shoes today" before the show…

The kid is 15…. Where the fuck are you buying Yeezys… IN PERSON for not a huuugeeeeee markup at like a flightclub… plus those are 500's! Not even a popular Yeezy shoe. Who the fuck stocks those. This kid had to have them for a while
 

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So in the end he's just a troll and not an anti Semitic right wing groyper

The good ending to this I guess?
Only if you ignore the first 9 pages of this thread. Him possibly understanding Hebrew doesn't delete everything else. He's just a kid but he's been grifted and used as a tool by shitty online hate groups and InfoWars.
 

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Can I use this thread as an opportunity to finally say those shoes are fucking hideous? Like, my god though. I had a coworker who wore these and the weird foam ones that looked like Amygdala from Bloodborne. So bad.
Yes, they have always been incredibly ugly. Now their namesake has revealed an ugly ideology to go with them.
 

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Can I use this thread as an opportunity to finally say those shoes are fucking hideous? Like, my god though. I had a coworker who wore these and the weird foam ones that looked like Amygdala from Bloodborne. So bad.
Modern runners, sneakers, trainers, whatever you want to call them, are utterly vile. Burnt marshmallow looking garbage on people's feet. Wear shoes made of leather or canvas please people! There's my hot take on all of this controversy 😅