This
Even if they don't expect son to be big for PlayStation in those territories - if they want it tied to PC games then it becomes more of a social media/platform less offering and needs to be global
Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut has been delisted on Steam in countries where PSN isn't available
- Thread starter Red Kong XIX
- Start date
This
Even if they don't expect son to be big for PlayStation in those territories - if they want it tied to PC games then it becomes more of a social media/platform less offering and needs to be global
What headaches? Didn't they make PSN linking optional for HD2? Why not make it optional for the MP part of a mostly SP GOT as well and be done with it?
The most likely reason is that GoT multiplayer is designed to utilise PSN infrastructure in a way that Helldivers was not; so you can't just make it optional without making the infrastructure it depends on (match making, user accounts etc.) independent from PSN.
They're definitely not stupid (they work at one of the biggest tech companies in the world), they are simply already busy doing other stuff. Sony arranging them to deal with this issue might hinder their assigned task, which might hurt their profit. From what I've learned so far, Sony might need to remake the whole PSN system from the ground up.
At the end of the day, it's all about money and how they are spending their resources.
Has Sony ever expanded PSN accounts into new regions after initially creating the system for the PS3? Given how much of a shitshow the whole name changing thing was and how it broke compatibility in certain PS3 games, I wonder if they just literally can't add more territories due to all the spaghetti code.
Just because the console user base has been bending over to Sony's demands doesn't mean everyone else has to as well. They are selling their games on Valve's store now, not their own.
I swear somebody invariably writes some variation of this post on Era whenever Sony catches flak for anything at all.
Hell, I remember the lead up to the PS5's release. Puff piece after puff piece was posted here. I'm talking like a dozen, back to back over the course of a few weeks. And then like two articles criticizing some aspect of Sony's policy were posted in the span of a single week, and somehow that warranted several posts about how Era actually hates Sony. I'll never understand it, when Sony is pretty clearly the favored console ecosystem both here and basically everywhere else.
Yes. Most recent one was Croatia and as far as i remember people couldn't purchase things there for almost a year because it took them that much to replace their local currency with Euro (because Croatia stopped using their own currency and switched fully to Euro).
HD2 has cross platform play between PS and PC without needing PSN log in on PC.
If that's the case I really don't understand why they wouldn't at least expand into some of these bigger territories. The thing somebody posted about them holding a huge launch event in Egypt despite not even having accounts there is wild.
It's the same with criticism of all the console makers. You have the hives of console warriors on the site dwelling in the console specific threads which acts as echo chambers where they can talk about how everyone else is out to get them and they start to believe it. So whenever they see criticism in other threads they feel like they have to fight back against the evil conspiracy against their favorite games company.
I recommend you and anyone to not invest time in forums where toxicity is daily or in social media where anybody can spread negativity, you invest too much time in those kind of sites, thats why you see everything in negative, imagine how many people dont go to twitter, in this case resetera and is playing some games daily and will never learn about this "backlash, review bomb, whatever this and whatever that" , just be positive and stop arguin and taking care about what unkwnown people says in forums or social media, and you will see a really big change in a positive way
We had official PSN for ages but yeah Sony were to lazy to implement prices in Euros while also showing what it would cost in the Croatian Kuna which was mandated to be done for a year. The ability to buy shit was locked away for a while like you said.
As I've said they could just make the whole MP component an optional free DLC and lock that into geo. This way the game could still be sold in regions without PSN as an SP only title.
This whole situation just highlight how little Sony cares about its own PC efforts.
Although to be fair their console efforts aren't doing much better in terms of geographical availability.
This was never going to happen. You already have people crying that they were being sold "half" a game and/or demanding discounts.
You keep complaining about this and have conveniently ignored my first post to you about this. You keep saying the same thing over and over with no change in discourse and the acknowledgement of the opposite is entirely superficial. Stop getting mad at people and pretending their actions are virtue signaling. It's so out of place for something that is clearly not in people who are complaining's hands. How are these people being rightfully mad about the removal of it from countries via PSN logins have anything to do with them determining availability in other nations .
You literally admit to this. The majority of people complaining aren't from the barred countries and somehow still worked in support of not getting them removed entirely. The effort of review bombing literally helped players from your areas. Yet you seem to keep crying about how it doesn't "always" help. You admitted it helped in DOOM and it literally helped in Helldivers. Any negative that comes from this isn't because of outcry from players, its because of the company you want to run defense for (because you still had a loophole to play on PS5) is making such poor decisions they are choosing to ignore any pushback to make the games better. The negative review have literally nothing to do with it.
Like what is your game? Letting Sony keep doing these decisions without pushback does what? It's the exact same end point. Except you had a little loophole you exploited that would have been eventually patched if they understood what was happening.
Is it not demeaning for you to have to be forced to not only buy a console for specific games you could have had potentially on PC, but also have to do country work arounds within a worthless login system that exists for no reason outside of the fact they are refusing to deal with you? Its actually not out of the reach of a multi billion dollar company that they couldn't just allow these overnight if they wanted to. What exactly is stopping them outside of outside threat of supplying a good for a new consumer market? The sheer fact they refuse, leads credence to being complicit in a greater misdeed happening via global markets, but you are already seemingly overlooking that to play their games and stop outcry on forums instead of letting people badmouth them.
You also talked about how it "Takes Two to Tango" when referring to Sony and the practices, but you have intentionally refused to acknowledge or simply do not understand the amount of power in decision-making a multibillion dollar company has over anyone it chooses to work with. Every single company with less money than them has less power and cannot refuse to let them take reins without fear of complete failure. There is no just way to claim the smaller companies are complicit in the decision outside of the fact that a strong arm is literally forcing them to make it. Its a complete misunderstanding of power dynamics within the world at large. These independent studios do not just go to Sony because they think their game will be successful without them, they are relying on them for either funding, marketing and distribution. Usually all three. If you cannot see how this is not a "Two to Tango" scenario, you are misguided and I hope you find something to come to that realization soon.
It is not a fault of people who push back against bad practices when the company does more horrid practices afterwards. There is literally no way you could ever prove the two are related and that Sony would not have done so anyway.
Last edited:
From my own experience with software development at large companies and years of talking to friends (at Toshiba, Oracle, old/new Microsoft, so on), I have my theory about this, and when it does and doesn't happen.
It's not developer incompetence, but it's not other tasks and money either. It's about middle-management incentives at most software companies. As a middle-manager, your incentives are to ship new things not to maintain old, decrepit things. And to the extent that you're working on old things, you're rewarded for shipping features, not things were implemented badly in the first place. As much as I hate working on database fucks ups like this, it's painful to programmers to have such fundamentally broken implementations lingering around, because you have to work around them all the time. You'll want to fix them.
But it's just better for your manager's career to tell upper management that the team is working on the new thing rather than tell them that you're working on making the most basic infrastructure your company relies on better, more efficient, cheaper to run, etc. The best of software publishers out there have cottoned to this, but it's sadly still common at many places.
L
I'm willing to bet there is a negligible if not Zero % technical limitation to expanding regions. The limitations and costs come from having to
1. pay the lawyers to figure out how to adhere to the laws of the region and guarantee there's no risk of lawsuits.
2. Pay the tax consultants to figure out how to adhere to the tax rules of region
3. Pay consultants to translate all the legalese into the official language of the country.
4. Pay the lawyers/consultants to figure out if there any any licensing issues for selling media/services to that country
Etc etc
I'm willing to bet.. it's a redtape cost not a development one
Well Sony is not know to work on a new things either. Sure they ship few over the generation but they then ship next console without half of those features and start over. I truly believe that main issue for them i bad base (whole regional accounts and archaic databases) and everyone is afraid to touch it in fear that they will break it.
As i said above i truly believe that issue is technical. All things you mentioned are more-less solved thing and all other PC stores are proof of that.
I think they ended up delisting it because they are introducing that PSN overlay with the release of Ghost of Tsushima. What I still don't get is why US territories got caught in the crossfire too.
It's shit cause people in those 'cheaper' regions end up getting screwed.
Those people are not "crying" and they are completely in the right.
Hence the delisting. It's to prevent headaches like this. Sony for some reason is adamant on PSN and won't budge on it for whatever reasons.
The reason is to pump numbers PSN numbers and leverage data for profits.
I'm still trying to figure out how an individual consumer doing either of those things in any way matter in relation to a multi-billion dollar corporation ignoring their own terms of service in the face of consumer protection laws that other companies rightfully abide by.
Wouldn't they already have access to said data from Steam itself?
Why would the company who wants to have first hand access to that information choose to instead have to be given that information through a different corporation in which they have no power over?
You first gotta figure out that VPN doesn't work unless you have a valid method of payment from the region you're trying to buy from.
It's absolutely a base technical issue, but that's what infrastructure is. No one wants to stick their neck out to be the one in charge of infrastructure because that's usually a dead-end for career advancement.
It's better for everyone if such issues are addressed, but is rarely personally good for you to be the one to do it.
Why exactly would this never happen? If your choice to either sell the SP game w/o MP or not sell it at all then what do you choose?
Also presented as optional.