You're right, we shouldn't normalize the behavior of *checks notes* shaving.
To be more precise it's shaving before going out for a swim, which is a healthy activity.
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To be more precise it's shaving before going out for a swim, which is a healthy activity.
The woman in the picture isn't happy because she's at a buffet. She's happy because she's at a beach and wearing whatever she wants without shame.
So I asked this question to another person already who didn't respond, it's not necessarily an experience you've had. But have you ever felt doubts of going to a beach wearing swimtrunks, to have your body for others to see. Have you felt shame because of it, have you feared bullying because of your size? I don't know how much overweight you are, but I'm interested about these feelings.
As someone who got called "fatty" at the swimming pool by a grownass man when I was nine years old, I would have loved to see an ad like this. But what do I know, I'm just a dumb fat bitch :sips tea:
I've lived that my entire life, and was severely bullied throughout almost all of my teenage years for being obese.
People should rather talk about the issue which objecting to ad like this brings, it restricts people from participating in healthy activities. Fuck Gillette, it's meaningless who started the discourse.
Ah my mistake for conflating the to two then. I'm referring more to the "accept and love your body" kind of aspect of these kinds of things even for clearly unhealthy. That I believe is a dangerous position to take.
That's what I meant I guess.
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Hulu has a really good new show called Shrill that stars Aidy Bryant. It's funny and often heart breaking in how it deals with how strangers, friends and family treat overweight women.
It's a tough one for sure. How do you be accepting of the outward signs of an unhealthy lifestyle without celebrating or normalizing the unhealthy lifestyle.
Sorry to hear that. But one would assume that not having that fear and feeling, would have made it better for you to participate in things. I also know how it feels. I was bit chubby as a young kid. I went to a child psychologist over my fears. Already at the age around of 7-9. I tried to skip all the gymnastic classes, because after that was always showering. I wanted to participate, I love sports. But I wouldn't want to show my body to others, because I feared they would mock me. Of course I couldn't skip all the classes, I eventually had to participate. So then I just waited until others showered. It was extremely uncomfortable to explain why I didn't go to the showers yet, what I am waiting for. I couldn't just tell to classmates that I'm afraid. They didn't even bully me, but because I knew the sentiment existed I was still insanely afraid. These same feelings are present in adults too. Objecting to this ad sends a message that overweight people shouldn't be at beaches wearing swimsuits. That people don't want to see them. Going to a beach or going to swimming pool is really fun way to exercise and keep care of yourself. But many feel excluded from things like these, because of fear. It's similar why some say that they don't want to hit the gym. People might say "Pffft, nobody judges you! Just hit the gym, we're really helpful".But there's always judgement going on, even if it's not straight in your face. "I saw this sweaty pig at the gym today. He smelled so bad!!" The backlash to this ad brings it to people's faces.
Being against body shaming, isn't being in favor of poor health.
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This is exactly it.
Depicting obese people as happy isn't saying it's good to be obese, it's humanizing people with obesity.
We have to do better about how we treat obese people and telling them them that they should feel miserable until they lose weight ain't it.
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How is that worse than normalizing fully unrealistic body shapes and beauty standards?
But your crusade is because obesity increases medical costs and reduces life span, right?
I might be wrong, but based on what I've seen (looked up 5 studies) gay men, and transgendered people, have higher mortality rates and shorter life expectancy. I couldn't find a good study, but I strongly suspect that transgendered folks spend more on medical costs (or have more associated costs) than their hetero peers. So, should they also not be shown? Dont want to promote anything if it leads to increased health care costs or increased mortality rates, right?
But of course none of that fucking matters because people living their own lives, how they want, while being accepted by society, is infinitely more important than a stranger trying to min-max a different strangers life-expectancy/medical costs while knowing literally nothing about them.
Banning anything that increases healthcare costs or mortality rates from being shown on TV ads (even with removed context) is incredibly stupid.
EDIT: didnt refresh and see you were banned. Whoops.
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One should have concern for their health, but nobody should object to obese people showing skin. They should be just as comfortable showing their body as anyone.
The reality with anything is that regardless of what we post, people who are obese are probably an open market for this sort of product.
And in general, ignoring this particular advert for a second, are people claiming that any depiction of someone who is obese is supporting or encouraging obesity? If I create a hair product advert for example like shampoo with a model who is obese I am encouraging obesity?
And in general, ignoring this particular advert for a second, are people claiming that any depiction of someone who is obese is supporting or encouraging obesity? If I create a hair product advert for example like shampoo with a model who is obese I am encouraging obesity?
The answer is no.
This ad just proves that the men Gillette ad from a few months ago was actually a success despite the "boycotts". In 2019, advertising execs are thinking differently because traditional advertising isn't working (blame ad blockers and TiVo for that). So get used to this form of advertising.
Also, I personally feel the people saying "it's promoting obesity" are just using an excuse to fat shame. Yeah it's in your face that she's a bigger girl, but that's the point.
Also, I personally feel the people saying "it's promoting obesity" are just using an excuse to fat shame. Yeah it's in your face that she's a bigger girl, but that's the point.
Picture the opposite. If the woman in the ad was instead as underweight as she is overweight literally no one would be celebrating the ad and would be rightfully calling it dangerous. She isn't a plus sized model healthy at any size, she's morbidly obese.
RestetEra and strawmen?
Again, like, yeah, I would have had an easier time of it if I were actually happy. But I think you and a lot of people here are conflating a couple of things. Not being accepting of obesity doesn't mean that we should be bullying or ostracizing people who are obese. Not wanting to normalize obesity doesn't mean that obese people shouldn't be able to go to the beach without being made fun of.
Would you be alright with ads showing anorexic patients being happy with their body type?
The ad is in absolutely no way disputing the fact that a poor diet and being overweight are unhealthy. If anything, it's saying that mentally and physically being free and going outside to live life is a healthy lifestyle, regardless of who you are. It takes issue with the so-called "rules" that overweight people should be shamefully sight unseen instead of going out and being active and alive.
In fact, I would argue they're trying to break the important barrier many people have when trying losing weight - the feeling of shame that keeps many from being active and doing what they want to do, whether it's going to the beach, hitting the gym, or even just going outside in the summer (all three are things I'm personally hesitant on doing).
In fact, I would argue they're trying to break the important barrier many people have when trying losing weight - the feeling of shame that keeps many from being active and doing what they want to do, whether it's going to the beach, hitting the gym, or even just going outside in the summer (all three are things I'm personally hesitant on doing).
Like. People saying "wHaT iF iT wAs An AnOreXiC mOdeL???" are completely ignoring. you know. context??? women have been told for decades that they need to be skinny to the point where anorexia has been held up as a beauty ideal. women have never been told "uhh actually sweatie you can't be hot if you don't weigh 300lbs :)))". of course an ad featuring an anorexic woman would be blasted because we're programmed to think unhealthy skinniness = ideal body as marketed. no one's gonna look at this picture and say "gosh, clearly they think i need to look like her if i want to be beautiful". critical thinking skills? era doesnt know her
As said before, I rarely see obese men promoted in the same manner as the OP.
So obese people should never be happy or positive. Imagine being a person who thinks this.
I'd want anorexic people to live without shaming and ridicule too yes. I want them to get healthy though just like with obese people. I want to be supportive.
I'm not sure you understood my point how shaming people for showing their body prevents them from getting better health-wise. Because this ad specifically is about overweight people being allowed to show skin. Being beautiful and confident isn't same as being healthy. There's plenty of people who look gorgeous but don't have healthy lifestyle You and many are conflating health with looks. Objecting to this is objecting to looks, not health.
River Phoenix looked healthy, he was gorgeous. But his unhealthy lifestyle still took him to an early grave. Wearing a jacket and long pants wouldn't make the woman in the picture to lose pounds.
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Well, gilette (or another razor/means beauty company?) just had an ad with a very overweight, younger man in front of a bathroom mirror. I cant find it, which might itself speak volumes.
Anyone remember this? It's not old, and might even still be showing. Pretty sure it was a young, obese black man in front of a bathroom mirror.
Because if someone tried to achieve one over the other, the results on ones life style and length would be vastly great between the two.
I probably could have phrased it better. But the way I see it the body positivity movement to include morbidly obese people is not a good idea. Its a massive health concern in developed countries. Spinning it into a positive thing to be advertised is not a good move unless you are looking to create controversy.
I cant think of a single time where a man has been advertised in this manner so I have no idea what you are trying to say here. But I dont believe it works like you think it does.
Not at all. One or two posters in a whole topic have responded with mean comments.
Most people would see it constructive if overweight wasn't correlated with morbidly obese in order to shift towards a cultural trend of accepting overweight is simply overweight. It's not. We've even seen the word skinny replacing anorexia in here, you're even kind of doing that yourself. People are not being honest with definitions and medical language.
The hostility yourself and others respond with probably in part exacerbates the statistics that show nearly half of America is obese.
This is where I'm at, kinda. Except I'm not sure how I feel about this ad. I like that it tries to encourage people not looking down on her but at the same time I agree with obesity shouldn't be normalized. But, here is a question, how do you get more people to be accepting of something that you don't want them ok with being without normalizing it?
I am ok with loving the person for who they are, I am NOT onk with loving a body sickness such as obesity. You should NOT be abusive to anyone at ALL regardless of weight, size, color..etc. However, I don't support obesity in itself. This shouldn't be a 10 page argument. I would think our fellow humankind would know that those are two separate subjects in itself.
The goddamn ad doesn't "normalize" obesity, it's just a picture of a woman who is seemingly happy and having fun. If it normalizes anything, it's that bigger people can be happy and have fun, but for some reason when you look at it that isn't what you see, you attach some whole dehumanizing agenda to it.
You people need to understand, the ad doesn't "support obesity" any more than an ad with a thinner person. That has shit all to do with it, all it's showing is bigger people can be happy and have fun. And need to buy razors. If you see it that way, it's because instead of you seeing a happy woman, you see an overweight woman and want to start pointing out all the problems you see with it. Stop it. Let people live and be happy FFS
This is a very good post from the first page that needs more exposure.
I don't use social media much, read magazines or watch TV, and skip any advert I can, so my awareness of advertising campaigns is limited in general. So most of these campaigns I see are through posts like this, typically on this forum. To that extent I think the question of that bias is a good one to raise, though the thread (and thus my awareness of the advert) was brought about by someone defending the tweets.
I just don't think it's accurate to cast aspertions on people as though their primary issue isn't obesity as they say, rather that it's a woman. I'm sure some have that as an issue but see no sense in painting the entire other side of the argument with that same brush.
Gillette's marketing has been great recently
people are talking about it, marketing department doing their jobs
people are talking about it, marketing department doing their jobs
It's a good ad in my book. Yes obesity is bad, but that's beside the point. Many overweight feel ashamed of exercising outside or going to the beach, because they think people are judging them. This "fat shaming" makes the obesity epidemic worse, not better. If people can be less ashamed of their bodies and go outside and get some physical activity, that will reduce obesity, not promote it.
But you need to understand how -I- feel about this issue and how -I- feel about obese people. They shouldn't be happy with where they're at. They should want to get better so they don't disgust me. And it's also better for THEM! See? Win-win! They look a way that's acceptable to ME and the rest of society AND they get to live longer! Why is that a bad thing, friend DigitalOp? Surely, you see I'm just trying to help from a point of benevolence. Btw, how much you bench? Spot me, bro.
Like literally no one in this topic is saying that apart from one or two who were banned. The trend of posters using strawman argumentation on this forum to attack other posters is getting tiresome.
That doesn't make anyone "win" an internet argument, it just makes you dishonest.
Quote the posts that speak like that, or report them, don't just come into a topic to try and poison the well.
I honestly think that some people have a misconstrued understanding of being obese/overweight. I'm technically overweight (6'5", 280-286lbs) but I'm healthier than a friend of mine that is the same height but weighs less (6'5", 160-165lbs). Just because someone is overweight doesn't mean that they don't always take care of themselves. Weight alone isn't the defining factor when it comes down to health.
That's not to say that someone who's 600lbs is healthy - they've clearly let themselves go and aren't trying to remain active/healthy. But just being overweight doesn't necessarily mean someone should be "guilted" into being more healthy.
That's not to say that someone who's 600lbs is healthy - they've clearly let themselves go and aren't trying to remain active/healthy. But just being overweight doesn't necessarily mean someone should be "guilted" into being more healthy.
I wish the people complaining about health conditions actually cared about her well being, or that of others. Nobody in this thread or the one on twitter, that is complaining about "glorifying" obesity, actually gives two flying fucks about the woman in the ad or any number of other obese people they come across. So honestly, why say anything at all? Why bother, if not to shame someone for their weight? None of you are doing this out of concern for anyone else.