The king of Italy was a big fan of Mussolini too.
Not really surprising, monarchs are usually big fans of fascism.
Government is to suspend parliament (U.K.) Update: Queen approves the move.
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Not really surprising, monarchs are usually big fans of fascism.
But if you had a true democracy with a President that could intervene in the parliament then this could've been stopped without the country needing a civil war. There are elected means in other countries to oversee the parliament.
True but then how do Scotland get out of this mess without one.
That's actually probably more to do with the Army having low recruitment numbers and increasing their advertisement in general. Everytime I watch Freeview TV there's at least 1 Navy or Air Force advert on.
If Leave wins a second ref, then we leave. It's not that hard. It's just leave would actually be defined this time without pie in the sky bullshit.
My guy, don't judge the entire UK over this stupidity. They're victims of this. That line of thinking is hardly better than the "all immigrants are bad!!!" thinking that led to this in the first place. Have some empathy ffs
A political party that has independence in the agenda needs to win an election with a concrete plan on how to do it.
The world is too complicated to be decided with multiple choice questions by people that are, the majority, not informed enough to make that decision.
Ok, but he wasn't killed by a member of a fascist police Corp.
Man things are bad rn.
I'd bet the Queen is actually really pissed off with the whole thing. She didn't really have any choice to accept the guidance of her PM but still there will be headlines stating "Queen suspended parliament". I hope Boris hasn't ever harboured ambitions of getting a knighthood because that ain't going to happen.
Negotiate a deal. Put the deal to the people with remain being the alternative. It really is (should be that simple).
You've asked the electorate in the vaguest possible terms "do you want to leave the EU?" and they've said "yes". So you then agree the terms of that departure, go back to the electorate and say "this is what leaving looks like/means, do you still want to go through with it?" That is, at least, how it should have gone, but the well is poisoned too much at this point for that to come to pass.
That's what the house of lords and supreme court is for. The house of lords can't intervene in this even because no bill has been passed. The supreme court may be able to overule the advice given to the Queen and change her ruling. Parliament is not the problem anyway, parliament is the solution. The problem is that parliament is being sidestepped by what amounts to a delaying tactic in the context of an event that will happen at a certain time unless a law is passed to stop it.
I can't see why not. The fascists have pretty much won with this move.
Once brexit hits and nothing gets better, it only gets worse, who is next to get blamed? The Muslims, the jews, the disabled, the LGBT, the racial minorities.
I'm two of those things, so I've got a huge bullseye on my back now anyway.
The Queen will no doubt be furious at being dragged into this for exactly this reason.
Well, of course, the people who voted for Brexit, not you personally or probably any British here on ERA.
But Theresa May gave you an out to cancel it all by going to election, and "you" still kept her and her Brexit loving buddies.
It's an option, but I do have a right to express my views here and I'm using it. Again, nobody in Europe wanted UK to leave, but you democratically chose to fuck over N. Ireland and vulnerable people, not us in Europe. I truly wish that your PM decides to drop the whole Brexit deal, but it seems that he will not. It's out of our hands, all the cards are in your hands.
I know, I hope you do avoid it. But to me it seems that Boris is running the show. Sure, Brexit will be a huge loss for Europe and especially on Ireland, we never wanted that, but your PM seems happy to jump off the cliff, and nobody has any idea or courage to stop him.
I just feel the most sorry for Scotland, I really hoped they would vote for independence.
Goddamnit, I'm sorry, if you want to talk about it I'm happy to listen. It can be depressing, I can relate. I'm gonna fight it as best I can personally, but I still dread the outcome. Society's bounced back from hell before though, once, even though I never was alive or fully aware enough to remember anything getting better. We gotta be the change, and beat the fascists back into their holes again.
Or the fascist get beaten once again and we start to make things better.
You're not wrong, but the referendum was a binary choice, and was in principle supposed to be advisory. That doesn't mean the actions following the referendum of our representatives had to be one of those two choices 100% of the way.
If there were adults in the room, and they had to make a decision where a compromise is absolutely possible, and 52% of people want one thing and 48% the other, you do your best to compromise. You don't go scorched earth in one direction.
Outright remaining was never really the best option to appease as many as possible, but neither should going full stupid hard brexit. I wouldn't like it, but I'd accept Mays shitty deal or something similar as a compromise.
Translation: Davidson can't support her party's bullshit but still bleeds blue like every other Tory scumbag so won't criticise them openly.
How many people native to 30's Germany had to suffer in the worst imaginable conditions the last time?
It's not so easy to say "Stay and fight" when historically you're either peaceful and thrown in ovens, or resistant and mowed down by an overwhelming war machine.
At least it shows (AGAIN) how bad FPTP systems are. The world is paying the price now with Trump and his posse of deregulation cronies and Brexit.
But the alternative is basically saying that the government's democracy is fake, because the royal family can just step in and overrule it whenever they please.
This seems like an emergency, but a precedent will have been set.
I don't know. But just because I don't have a better alternative doesn't erase the fact that modern democracy is fundamentally broken.
What a gutless fucking coward!
Not one Tory cares about anything but themselves and the party.
The WA managed to be the one thing where everyone more or less agrees on. It wasn't good and it satisfied no one in the UK.
First Past the Post (FPTP) is what's broken.
Proportional representation is difficult, but is as close to democratic as you can get.
Boris is doing it on purpose, counting on the fact that he'll be stopped somehow. Then he'll look like a thwarted hero to all the extreme Brexit nutters.
The problem arises if he isn't stopped, he then accidentally has to follow through. Like Trump winning the election.
The problem arises if he isn't stopped, he then accidentally has to follow through. Like Trump winning the election.
Is there not a provision in the Good Friday Agreement about the potential for a return or something?
Constitutionally, there wasn't much else she could do.
All this blaming the person, and not the entire rotten, outdated system - it makes no sense.
It's not a decision, it's a choice between "yes" and the (metaphorical) guillotine.
If the people of both Ireland and Northern Ireland agree. It's decades away at the absolute soonest.
It's pretty sickening seeing all the BBC presenters covering this with their usual attempts at a 50/50 balance. It's like them equivocating on the gas chambers. No, sometimes something is absolutely wrong and an affront to decency and everything we are supposed to stand for, and this is one of those moments. No fucking balance with these fascist cunts should be tolerated and every single presenter and journalist should be on our page because if they are not they are complicit with making this bullshit acceptable.
Does he need to supply an alternative. I mean his observation is a valid one. Democracy works if everyone plays by the rules but between trump and Boris it seems that you don't even have to play by the rules , hell you dont even have to tell the truth. If you say what everyone wants to hear then everyone will be more than eager to look away from your faults.
It's possible, if Northern Ireland and the Republic both want it I guess. It won't happen peacefully anytime soon though. The difficulty will be the ability of the Northern Irish to demonstrate democratically that intention with the devolved assembly in the stat it's in.
Counter argument, imagine people like Boris and Trump with even more power in a non democratic form of government.
I think people are saying a better system than the current "Monarchy", might have prevented this. I am not so sure TBH, people seem to be saying the majority don't want Brexit but most voting/polling results seem to indicate the majority actually do want it.
And no deal does?
If they don't want no deal, and they don't like the deal negotiated by the UK's representatives within the UK's red lines (that also weren't on the ballot) then the UK should have changed *it's* position to get a deal MPs and the people could support. They should have asked for extensions to article 50 to make that happen, and all indicators are that the EU would have agreed to that.
Instead the PM (and many others) are just shouting at the EU for being unreasonable, when the deal is something the UK's representatives agreed on already.
Maybe you think the UK's representatives shouldn't have agreed on that deal. But again, that's on the UK.
Boris is playing by the rules though? How is he not? I don't like it at all obviously but he can only do this because the rules say he can.
Polls and referendums basically. If both want it they get it. The NI process is more specific than the Republic one.