I also preferred the real-time models, but I imagine it was mostly a matter of being used to them for 40 hours, while the briefly used CGI models just don't quite look 100% the same stylistically.
Graphic Fidelity I Expect Next Gen.
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I do wish people would stop dropping in cut-scenes as though they've slapped down the winning hand in a game of poker.
Even 'real-time in-engine' doesn't mean the same as gameplay. The devs know exactly what's happening in a cut scene and can carefully block it out beforehand so that it can run with extra effects without dragging the frame-rate down before cutting back to gameplay. Look at this comparison of Uncharted 4. Despite the technical brilliance of Naughty Dog's title it's clear to see that the cutscenes are using far more effects and shaders etc than in gameplay.
Next-gen games and models will look phenomenal but using cut-scenes from current and next-gen titles to 'prove' how good they're going to look is just being disingenuous as they're rarely reflective of the gameplay experience.
If they can make the in-game models as good as current in-game cutscenes I'll be happy, especially if they invest that extra effort into the gaming environment. Let's face it, as good as the models for the likes of Drake and Aloy are, outside of photo modes how often do we see consistently or pay attention to more than just the back of their head?
Yep, but you are pointing the worst case of lighting, because most of the time, we are dealing with this, ingame :
(Photomode during ingame situation on a base PS4, I never shot cinematic models)
That's amazing even for a linear game, let alone an open world game like Days Gone!
S'more current gen marvels built around very conservative HW at the peak of the soothsaying, "Consoles will be dead soon"
They're quite impressive for the RPG genre.
I mean even in those two screens you see stuff that can't be done in the remake.
Funny they used photogrammetry for Frozen Wild DLC and keep the hyper-realism style with post-process, effect but they did not use it for the main game.
Funny they used photogrammetry for Frozen Wild DLC and keep the hyper-realism style with post-process, effect but they did not use it for the main game.
Wow, wow! They look stunning. They have SunhiLegend written all over them.
And, wow, I knew that the DLC had better fidelity but didn't know that it was due to PBR. Heck I thought even the base game used PBR. All that said, the strongest expression of PBR usage using Decima is present in the Death Stranding.
Time for me to slice up some new Frozen Wilds DLC for contributions later.
In my opinion, next gen games shouldn't be as much about graphics as it should be about being more fluid, interactable and smart/intelligent - since we have some real dumb AI in most of the games and big open-worlds and cities that are rather hollow in terms of interactivity. Games are looking fantastic nowadays and personally I don't know if I want them to get more realistic, since many play them to escape the reality/realism. I want them to look real enough to be convincing which I think a lot of them are (and to fix minor things like textures popping in, low-res textures like in FFVII Remake, low LoD, janky animations etc.), but also stylized enough so they break out of the realism itself. I don't know if I'm making sense, but the best example is DOOM Eternal - game looks fantastic, not perfect mind you and could use some tweaks in few places, and it also looks fairly realistic, but at the same time everything else is stylized and over-the-top (demons, locations, glory kills) so it does feel like a game. FromSoftware's Dark Souls is a good example too, graphics are not top-notch since it's an "old" game, but the look of the medieval armours and some places is rather "realistic" and that mixed with enemy designs and some fantasy-like locations makes it a perfect mix. Same with Death Stranding, I liked the art direction in that one and I want more of that. So yeah, I'm not really expecting top-tier movie-like CGI in my games, but rather something more polished all-around, something more creative in terms of art style and something with much more interactions.
Yes sure about that, they talk about it in this video
or this one
I think it is the first video
EDIT: The second one was at GDC 2017 and Frozen Wild was not released. This is in the first video but I don't remember when but this is an interesting talk.
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It's amazing what devs can achieve now, hopefully the new tech and tools help alleviate some pressures. Honestly can't wait to see what they can do next gen. I'm not expecting much beyond what the well known big studios do because time and money but the new ceiling they can work under must be freeing to some degree.
Arrogance and ignorance are all you, mate. The complexity of usage or integration of mesh shaders into an engine has zero to do with the fact that it will be very hard to make good usage of mesh shaders in games which will have to run not only on next gen but on current gen systems too. Read this again if you have issues grasping the info.
Launch next-gen games will probably not use Geometry engine/Mesh shader but Sony does not have the same cross-gen policy than MS.
For a PS5 specific title l expect a generational jump there will be nothing mild about it.
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Yep, is a drug dealer, and yes, is really impressive for an multiplayer Alpha on a lifelike solar system. That's not even the final tech BTW and need lot of work on other aspects aswell. With that said, it's not on par with Blizzard's cinematics.
The "issue" with FF is that for it cartoonish looking it lacks a lot of details you can see on games or cinematics that approach real life.
I mean, it's a lot easier try to build 3D animation with cartoon aspect than aproximate it to real life like in Uncharted, TLOU, Days Gone, COD, etc.
Talking especific of FFVIIR, and ignoring the amount of bugs on textures and low poly, you can even see in the main character that all materials are not close to CGI level (his shoulder protector or the sword handle for example).
I think next gen will use photogrammetry and photoscan materials for the models and environments. And that mixed with advance illumination techniques will look better than ever. There are examples of that now, it just need capable hardware.
Thats where FF7R fails some textures. But Photogrammetry is used in games already. CODMW (2019) and Death Stranding are examples :)
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Kind of like Mixamo but bigger? Not sure if you've heard of that before ( https://www.mixamo.com/#/?page=7&type=Motion,MotionPack )
This is already a thing, like companies like maximo already exist and the assets are able to be ported. Thing is, like with any asset flip type company, AAA devs don't really go to them for assets. Instead making stuff on their own. Like yea a rabbit is a rabbit, but there's rockstar rabbits and naughty dog rabbits. Animation is made with the projects and projects iterating on those projects in mind. Hence why you never see asset flips in the AAA space.
Yes, I know, there are Quixel assets in Metro Exodus and others games too. But they are really limited.
No one at this level:
Thanks to new techniques such as DirectStorage combined with SSD and Sampler Feedback, textures should be amazing in next gen games.
Here's hoping, environmentally speaking, we get close to this in terms of richness of detail:
Given the polygonal detail we've witnessed from Miyazaki-san's earlier titles, esp. on current gen, this is entirely probable.
Given the polygonal detail we've witnessed from Miyazaki-san's earlier titles, esp. on current gen, this is entirely probable.
Oh yeah, this is good. FFXV also have some good hair physics, specially that MP expansion. I'm expecting some glorious hair next-gen.
Indeed.
Looking back at early generation games, it is truly astounding what the devs had accomplished and continue accomplish sans some troubled releases on OG HW:
Snow drop engine was a looker. For some reason TD2's visuals don't jive with me anymore like it did with TD1.
Looking back at early generation games, it is truly astounding what the devs had accomplished and continue accomplish sans some troubled releases on OG HW:
Snow drop engine was a looker. For some reason TD2's visuals don't jive with me anymore like it did with TD1.
Here be Gears of War Judgement on 360:
And now a small reminder what was attained on a system with 1.75GHz 8 core 8 thread Jag CPU, 12CU 853MHz 1.3TF GPU and a 5GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM allied to a 5400RPM HDD:
And now a small reminder what was attained on a system with 1.75GHz 8 core 8 thread Jag CPU, 12CU 853MHz 1.3TF GPU and a 5GB DDR3 + 32MB ESRAM allied to a 5400RPM HDD:
Hair physics, until now the best thing I have witnessed is in DMC V :
FFXV Comrades is still the best this gen, this comes second.
Thats not even the most impressive moment on this game haha
next gen will be insane
This. Sony's first party games in their launch window won't be cross-gen, and we will see their games use mesh shading and other new GPU features. Seems like the person is deliberately trying to misunderstand me so they can keep being "right". Oh well.
Except I never talked about cross-gen games? Since my very first comment I made it clear I was talking about Sony's first party launch exclusives, which will not be cross-gen, as confirmed by Jason Schreier.
Which means we will definitely see mesh shading in next gen launch games, which contradicts your assertion.
Reading is apparently hard.
The good news is, you'll only have to wait till this June to know you were wrong.
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Sorry bro. While PureHair (or TressFX) is a real time solution it has so many hiccups and causes a lot of bugs and clipping that doesn't look right and kidna limited. Advanced baked solutions like the DMC5 one and mostly FFXV Comrades that pre-calculate so many instances of hair reactions and blends them together and lets the character run them in different situations are really flawless and can allow you CGI quality that a real time solution can't have due to hardware limitations.
The rock seems to be used in Hellblade 2 , just before the volcano scene.
I think many of Quixel data will be shared among games. Tbh, while it looks great, this will get really boring at some point.
I hope many devs will invest in doing their own photogrammetry data or have hand made high fidelity textures conceived by artists for a chnage and to stand out.
This part looked like I was jumping from PS4 to PS5 when I played it at launch.
Amazing area.
The opening is hands down the best looking in the game to be fair, anyway i think people are shitting on AC too much, character models might be better in Remake, but the city in AC shows there is still ways to go to match CGI even from 2004.
Lol. There are only a handful of games currently out which look better than Crysis 3.
Funny they used photogrammetry for Frozen Wild DLC and keep the hyper-realism style with post-process, effect but they did not use it for the main game.
The final dungeon in Frozen Wilds looks insane. Really impressive, geometry, texture work and lighting.
If (or when) they do, I'm not sure image quality will be the only culprit, or even the main one. Current tools and pipelines are quite fast and impressive. A lot of issues and delays come from poor managerial decisions. The stuff I'm hearing from Ubi right now for example is much more often related to bad or changing leadership than actual assets production (but at least Ubi treats its employees quite well from what I can gather).
We're talking about the technical side of things. It's objectively worse than most current AAA games.
If you like the artstyle and the look of environments, feel free to like it.
I could honestly the fire effects in Horizon 2 matching Deep Down.
Of course its worse, but not generation worse. There is tech there thats actually not utilized by many modern games even like real time Caustics, penumbra shadows, advanced particle physics or area lights.
Except for advanced tessellation (it has some though), TAA, GPU accelerated particles, and having full PBR materials, it actually has almost the same tech feature set as other games.