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GTA Online now has a casino. We need to talk about it.
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Again, I feel like people don't understand this concept...
In most countries gambling is not illegal. It's legal, but regulated. It's illegal to organize unregulated gambling. I don't know if Israel bans gambling alltogether, but if one of the biggest social casino companies is from Isreael, I assume that it doesn't. That still doesn't mean that there would be a contradiction in GTAV casino being blocked in Israel if Rockstar didn't comply with gambling regulations in Israel.
Only for the last ten years or so.
Once in awhile I see a bunch of reactions in a thread that make me wonder if it's some ten year necro bump. Nope, it's just brand new info to people here.
Yes, but they can't cash out in actual money. I don't see how this is any different to any sort of currently-existing surprise mechanics, except that now the activity is taking place in a virtual casino with virtual casino games, rather than some casino-like menu with boxes. I'm not saying it's good, what I'm saying is that I don't see why people would just now start being offended by it.
That some things are regulated doesn't necessarily mean they're regulated because of their psychological effects. I'll point again to food, or luxury goods, or really anything. "Predatory psychology" means nothing.
Also, I'd venture a guess and say that regulations tend to not care if a game is literally a casino game or not, and more about the wider application. Is areas where it isn't regulated, why is it not?
If you can buy money in GTAO, with which you can buy a gun, and with that gun you can rob people, and by doing so you win GTAbux, is that less gambling than if you buy money in GTAO, which you use on a card game, which wins you GTAbux? If so, wouldn't that mean that you're defining gambling based on its internal gameplay mechanics, like "card game vs virtual stick-up", ie, a pointless distinction?
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Okay, I can't buy chips at the casino cuz of gambling laws (lol), but can I atleast be part of story missions concerning it if I get a penthouse or something?
I don't know why you're so proud of being wrong.
Arguing that it is gambling just makes you easy to argue against. I don't disagree that there are questionable and even predatory aspects to this and to loot boxes, and I think they should be regulated in some fashion, but it's incredibly futile to argue it on the basis that they're gambling, because they technically aren't. You're making it easy for EA to make their 'surprise mechanics' arguments.
Ultimately, just like Loot Boxes have similarities to Kinder Eggs, a GTA Online casino has a lot of similarity to the kinds of games you can find in an arcade or a fete/festival.
Did you not see the MTX poll thread posted here a few days ago?
Even with how anti-MTX this place appears 70% of ERA admitted to buying MTX with some spending thousands of dollars. Now imagine how much worse it is among disinterested casuals who don't watch the likes of Jim Sterling.
By the way, this is also how Final Fantasy 14's casino works, except there's no official means of buying Gil
That's what I'm reading, but I'm trying to figure why is an issue? II'm confused
Ps.. ive been playing since day1, never bought a shark card, never glitched, never grinded. I have a group of 6-12 of us. From California, Texas, Florida, NyC, UK, etc... We dont go around griefing, yes we have some free mode fun, but we dont blow ammo (even tho we have tenough for lifetimes). I dont buy EVERY new thing, it's not needed. One person gets a bunker, the other a an MC, etc.
Maybe we are the minority lol
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That money isn't mine. So I would leave it...I would be super tempted though!!
On PC, for 5 bucks you can get a modder to mod hundreds of millions into your account relatively risk free. Feel sorry for those who spend huge amounts of real cash on this shit.
I like the addition of the casino, just not the fact that so many vulnerable and gullible kids play this game.
I like the addition of the casino, just not the fact that so many vulnerable and gullible kids play this game.
The reason is simple. Online gambling is illegal in Israel and GTA5 now has online gambling with real money. Not sure what you are trying to say with Playtika.. they develop some sort of free casino apps for phones for foreign markets? What does this have to do with anything? It's not illegal to develop apps in Israel.
In the short time I have joined ERA, I've seen people defend:
Animal Abuse
Ingame gambling
Toxic Influencers
Nothing surprises me anymore.
Just let them continue down this path. They're asking to be regulated and it will happen. Let their greed undo them. Fucking scumbags.
Is anyone surprised? It's Grand Theft Auto. Hell they've had card games in Red Dead for awhile now.
And yet they are, so saying they shouldn't isn't really a solution so much as it is absolving 2K and Rockstar of guilt.
Maybe this will make things clearer for you.
What Rockstar is doing is SOCIAL CASINO.
To be clear, are you suggesting that games should somehow prevent themselves from being played by children... or are you suggesting that games shouldn't have anything that might be inappropriate from someone that is playing it illegally?
Oh I agree. Luckily shark cards are optional, and arent needed to have fun in the game or advance
Here we go with more "my kid just spent $3k on a video game" stories.
Jesus god greedy do you have to be to get to this level. The game has sold millions of copies. Take the w and release new game instead?
Jesus god greedy do you have to be to get to this level. The game has sold millions of copies. Take the w and release new game instead?
You're correct about food and luxury goods, but marketing and gambling are regulated PRECISELY because of psychological aspects and in large part to defend from predatory psychology. So this doesn't mean nothing. And regulations care about... well, whatever they care for. Sometimes they actually care for smart things, like minimizing the predatory effects of predatory practices.
And it doesn't matter what process your money went through to get you to the gambling part. If you use something that has real monetary value to play a game of chance where you have a random chance of winning a prize - that's the mechanics of gambling. I mean, a casino wouldn't be any less of a casino if you could earn chips by arm wrestling someone for chips and only then gamble.
Ugh, I'm sorry, but I don't get what you are going for here. Are you defending Rockstar on the grounds of linguistics? Are you saying that it's the definition of gambling here that counts and not the predatory mechanics that work by the same principle, just by different means? And even then - you are aware that the definition of gambling differs from country to country? Just because something doesn't fall into the scope of what you understand as gambling because of a technicality doesn't mean that it will be the same for legal reasons.
Real gambling has been in GTAO for a looong time now: Real world currency invested in in-game businesses that require you to assume great risk of losing your content by encouraged griefing from other players.
You roll the dice any time you step outside in this game.
You roll the dice any time you step outside in this game.
I mean, he technically isn't wrong though. It is clearly listed as a +18 game. That, however, pulls up a whole another discussion about parents and their lack of care for what their kids are playing, despite the information about games and their contents being readily available online.
Both of those are extreme enough to be unreasonable or untenable in their own ways, but the publishers could stand to do a better job with both. I don't need some magic solution where kids physically cannot play GTAV, but they could at least try a bit harder to make sure parents are informed about what's in their games.
For example: I think a big icon on the front of the box that says "Hey you can spend real life money in there past the purchase price" wouldn't be too bad.
This exact same system has been used in other online games for years. Don't bet on it
Haven't seen any argument from you besides "You can't win real money so it isn't gambling" besides the fact that play games where you put your real money in and can only win in a game by sheer luck. It is a game of luck and now in an virtual casino. Calling this not gambling is mind boggling.
And no Kinder Eggs aren't gambling, because you buy chocolate. You'll always get chocolate and a little figure as a bonus.
I'm pretty sure gambling is regulated primarily because of monetary issues. Again, if something was regulated merely on the basis that some people can't handle it very well, it would be the case in far more things than gambling.
Buying a gun to hold someone up isn't gambling. The fact that it's a chance *after* you spend money on a *non-random thing* is besides the point. Saying it's gambling literally just because it uses art assets like a casino is missing the forest for the trees. Gambling isn't regulated because casino games in and of themselves are out to get people.
What you're saying is that it's gambling to have a psuedo-random chance to increase a meaningless in-game number based on delineated real money spending. It's not. That's a ton of MTXs, but I don't see anyone saying that being able to buy a gun is gambling.
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Looks like we are having a communication problem. You can spend real money in GTA5 Casino. Not sure if you missed that or being stubborn on purpose?Maybe this will make things clearer for you.
What Rockstar is doing is SOCIAL CASINO.
Then this isn't gambling either as you can only buy Shark Cards which always give you the same amount.