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Halo Infinite Adds New Juneteenth Nameplate, Named 'Bonobo' After Species of Ape
- Thread starter Zebesian-X
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Can anyone provide ANY proof that prior content went live with the name "Bonobo"? Because this claim only started being spread a day later with zero evidence, despite Halo Infinite's issues being HEAVILY documented.
Also, "blam" being a default name isn't a sign that EVERY TOOL BUNGIE EVER MADE also does the same thing. "Blam" in specific is a widely used pre-Halo Bungie in-joke. It was the code name for CE (after "Monkey Nuts") was the basis for the joke explanation of the Needler (the pink crystals are "blamite"), was used for censored text on the community site, used as a censor in custom files in various Halo games, etc.. It even shows up in Oni error codes, and is used by long time Bungie community members.
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You seem to be very intent on shifting the blame for literally anyone else besides the company, while ignoring that they're quite deliberately sidestepping the topic of how the name got into a live build in the first place. You've also been putting up claims like "this same mistake has happened before" without actually showing any receipts.
Lovely to wake up and see this thread being steered in a very different direction this morning with absolutely no new info or evidence other than vage twitter references.
Not going to get too deep into the weeds on this but I know that some pro players that have spoken to other former pros who work at 343/HCS are pretty convinced that it was actually a screw up.
But this is also like third hand knowledge. And I don't know specifically what they heard.
But this is also like third hand knowledge. And I don't know specifically what they heard.
They're just all repeating the same vague nonsense of "oh yeah this might have maybe happened before" which is getting repeated as "this did happen before" with exactly zero evidence being shared, despite Infinite's issues being heavily documented.
Even if Bonobo is some placeholder thing, using it for this of all things as placeholder is bullshit. No way someone didn't notice this, I can't believe that it passed qulaity checks and they just let it happen.
All they need to do is say. We've identified how this slipped past our checks and have dealt with the issue internally. If there was malice then add the person responsible was dealt with.
It's only right one of the first games to have someone call me a n-word online would be the same series to throw in a monkey joke for a capitalist bullshit ass "good will" holiday make good.
It's like some of the discussion I've seen in black circles online these companies do this shit on purpose. These corporate aggression against minroities (especially the black community because it's so much easier to shrug it off for some reason) generate some anger and online discourse, make a shitty apology/excuse, free publicity off stupid drama. No wonder they shipped the game with such shit support, they can't even lie about the mishap correctly. But as I've read through enough people will shield you as long as you keep their dopamine hit pure.
It's like some of the discussion I've seen in black circles online these companies do this shit on purpose. These corporate aggression against minroities (especially the black community because it's so much easier to shrug it off for some reason) generate some anger and online discourse, make a shitty apology/excuse, free publicity off stupid drama. No wonder they shipped the game with such shit support, they can't even lie about the mishap correctly. But as I've read through enough people will shield you as long as you keep their dopamine hit pure.
You know, in the past 40+ hours, all I've asked for is receipts that this has happened before, or a roadmap on what the next steps are in relation to finding out what happened and the resolution to the problem.
Neither one of those things have occurred, and at this rate, I don't think they will.
The bending over backwards to staunchly defend 343 is at Olympic gymnastic levels; I get that Halo is your shooty mcbang game of your choice, but don't be like 343: recognize that they fucked up and until we get some actionable items presented, continue to hold their feet to the fire.
Neither one of those things have occurred, and at this rate, I don't think they will.
The bending over backwards to staunchly defend 343 is at Olympic gymnastic levels; I get that Halo is your shooty mcbang game of your choice, but don't be like 343: recognize that they fucked up and until we get some actionable items presented, continue to hold their feet to the fire.
I'm a huge Halo fan but the response is embarrassing. What you said times 1000
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Pretty much… literally just a previous instance of the term Bonobo erroneously appearing on a cosmetic could help establish the "default name, toolset error" explanation, but even that hasn't been provided from what I've seen
Exactly this. Even more embarrassing is that we have people ITT actually claiming they've personally seen the same thing before, but still no receipts. The way some people tried so hard to downplay this even in this forum was disappointing.
Not to say 343 didn't fuck up here (they did) I can at least believe the idea that it was an accident.
Playing the recent season of Destiny 2 bugs are about all you get right now. Both of these engines are held together by duct tape, glue and saying about 50 hail Marys.
If it was anything else on any other occasion, sure. But on this particular one? No chance.
It's not that something like this couldn't have been an accident, it easily could have been. It's just this particular incident most likely wasn't one.
The only problem with the accident explanation is that it hasn't ever happened before and they used the Bonobo tools for a very long time. The only other example we have that is close to this was the moochers of reach fiasco which was named that specifically by the devs and the error was that it reverted back to it's earlier name instead of the official name. In that case we know they named it that internally on purpose. So that only points more to the explanation that someone called the Juneteenth colors Bonono on purpose and it was never updated to the intended name or it reverted back due to an error.
I mean either way they fucked this up and are fucking this up.
One thing that Bungie has been faaaaaaar better on.
My aunt's cousin's brother said that it happened once before, sure he just got out of pool and sure he didn't have his glasses on but he knows he saw it.
You would have to perform all kinds of mental gymnastics to believe that idea.
The only accident was that racist shit made it to production.
That, and they figured that with the weekend coming up, doing radio silence allows them to sweep this under the rug and never speak of it again.
Wild disappointing, yet not surprising.
Not sure how reliable the word of people who's livelihood at least partially depends on this game's success talking to their friends on the inside is...
An extra problem is how no one, not a single person in games media or content creation with question 343 about this. No one with journalistic power with ever press 343 on their many blunders.
And heaven forbid suggesting that — you'll be seen as a Toxic Gamer TM.
And heaven forbid suggesting that — you'll be seen as a Toxic Gamer TM.
Worse, they know for a fact that many of their loudest, most passionate fans would in fact defend them and help spread excuses and narratives without being asked. Which also explains this:
you'd assume schrier (sic) would. but i guess this story wouldnt drive traffic for him...
I wonder what the excuse would be if they didn't have an internal tool that's called Bonobo honestly.
I'm willing to buy that the initial naming was somehow an accident (though I'm not sure I believe it) but that doesn't excuse any of the QA people or anyone else who would and should have seen that and went "hey, this isn't right"
Just a complete and utter failure all around honestly. The non-statements just make it worse, especially when it's almost certainly a sign of some kind of culture issue at the company
I'm willing to buy that the initial naming was somehow an accident (though I'm not sure I believe it) but that doesn't excuse any of the QA people or anyone else who would and should have seen that and went "hey, this isn't right"
Just a complete and utter failure all around honestly. The non-statements just make it worse, especially when it's almost certainly a sign of some kind of culture issue at the company
Have to echo others here, 343i is gonna push this under the rug and move on. Time to add another company to the list.
Well considering they blasted 343 for the incident on Twitter I don't think that's really much of an issue.
So they blasted 343i for the incident, and then helped spread some baseless theory about how it's actually a screw up? And, per your own words, this is like, third hand knowledge? You do realize how this only makes people more skeptical.
There has to be a discord or private chat folks are high fiving each other over. Where are the leakers that can provide us with the rotten folks in the industry? That's what they should be good for.
All I said was that some people who have talked to others at 343 not in the development/content side seemed to have been pretty convinced it was a legit screw up.
And no one was helping to spread anything. This is what I was told from someone I know personally in that world. Not something from social media or stream. I already shit on 343 about it on twitter myself so I'm not trying to change anyone's mind lol.
Forgive me for being skeptical, as your posts ITT have been you trying to downplay people's concerns in some ways or another. If there were really people who know what they're talking about saying these stuff you claim, surely it would be beneficial to say it publicly and let people see for themselves.
343 being suspiciously silent but people in this thread got their cape on making up every excuse.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say people, especially those involved with 343, have been explicitly told not to talk about it period.
And I never downplayed anything. I literally blamed 343 and said it doesn't make sense to have just happened coincidentally on that day.
Why are people still defending 343? An old Bungie engine defaulting names to the engine name doesn't explain shit. A tool named Bonobo that has nothing to do with the item in question doesn't explain shit. Talking about the same error happening before but showing no receipts doesn't erase the fucking racist thing they've done.
Seriously, it almost like some people are enemies of the obvious.
Seriously, it almost like some people are enemies of the obvious.
You have the most post ITT and most of them are you trying to downplay people's concerns and pushing theories that excuse 343i and their awful handling of this in some ways or another. You've also repeated the same hollow talking point their community manager put up, the fact that the toolset called Bonobo exists, which was never really in question. The question was what it had to do with the issue. This, to me, reads as an attempt to downplay the situation, as you're saying things like "This is a bit much..." and you for some reason made arguments about "intent matters".
Yeah we already went over that post where I mentioned "super unfortunate timing" when that other guy completely failed to understand what I was saying. I never said it was unfortunate timing I said people were debating whether or not it was.
And literally everything else you tried to sleuth up was me trying to add actual information to the thread because we were trying to find out what any of this stuff people were talking about meant. The thread was an ongoing discussion where different information was coming out over time.
Direct your anger at the actual company you're mad at.
It's just hard not to see your posts as attempts to steer the discussion. Especially since you've been saying things like this without backing it up:
I mean that's fine. I don't particularly care if you think that. I'm literally in the replies to Unyshek three days ago telling him to go back to his team and get the real answer because what he says doesn't make sense.
Believe what I said or don't. It wasn't some bombshell information that is meant to change someone's mind. I literally think some QAnon doucher probably works there and did it on purpose lol.
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I mean, then post actual stuff that backs up your belief that the pros were right and it was a screwup. Otherwise, you're spouting theories that excused them without actually backing it up. Don't say "this is awful and they must explain this" then say "I heard from people who would know but I won't elaborate that it was a screw up!" later.
Don't be this meme, basically:
I never said anything about the pros being right and that it was a screwup. And I said in my original post that I don't actually have any idea what they were told that convinced them it wasn't done intentionally.
I am not naming names when I literally already said I don't agree anyways. That's the complete opposite of playing both sides lol. My connection to the HCS is a personal one. But I am not personally on these private discords.
So what was the point of posting that in the first place, then? "I don't know how true this is, and I don't agree with this, but I figure I should spread this anyway"? Give me a break.
What I said was true. I said I don't know if what they were told was passed down BS or not. The point of posting it (days ago now) was because it meant that there might have been more information behind the scenes as to what happened. But they've been radio silent since. I figured we were going to hear more on Thursday.
No one in the scene on this private discord they all use is even talking about it anymore at this point. They are all talking about roster moves and if someone is going to buy out Renegade's massive contract. So I never heard anything else about it since.
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The only logical theory is some racist asshole at 343 put this in to humor themselves and forgot to change it or assumed it would be caught and changed before release. But 343 quality controls are so shit that it slipped through the cracks.
Now what the SHOULD have done is: announce an investigation, find and remove the culprit, announce that the culprit is no longer with the company. Easy peasy.
But this is 343. Who loves avoiding the obvious solutions to their problems. They'd rather make more problems for themselves.
Now what the SHOULD have done is: announce an investigation, find and remove the culprit, announce that the culprit is no longer with the company. Easy peasy.
But this is 343. Who loves avoiding the obvious solutions to their problems. They'd rather make more problems for themselves.
From a PR perspective, they've already managed to sweep this under the rug. This isn't even on the front page, let alone headlines, of the major gaming sites.