lol. When I first read this, I didn't realize it was a typo and you meant Batgirl. I just assumed (cause comics) that there was a character named Bathgirl that I just didn't know about and you were making a niche reference. 😂
I didn't even realise till you mentioned it.
Aww. Poor Babs. They should have invited her.
Can't they do the Red Hood thing with him and "bring him back"?
I gotta say, the Nora scenes in this episode are attracting some incel/sexist assholes from what I have seen. Only "issue" with Nora getting laid is who she gotten laid with (girl can do better than freaking Zeus!) but even then it doesn't warrant that kind of hate.
Oh come now, they had Jennifer in this show no reason Jason can't come back.
Ya dead ya dead
You either die on the show of live long enough to not for when you should have, then get 2 minority kids and a job bartending
You either die on the show of live long enough to not for when you should have, then get 2 minority kids and a job bartending
His best quality
I hope Kiteman wears a white suit to the wedding and The Condiment King squirts mustard on it. Then take his place
In almost any other universe sure.
But Selina would likely bulldoze through anything in that relationship.
And yeah, that song gag went far too long.
Ra's Al Ghul revived him with his Lazarus pit. I would love to see the show's incarnation of The Demon Head.
Yeah there is plenty of potential for it. Heck, they could even fix Batman's injury this way and introduce Talia and her father this way.
I mean, do we still want them to get married at this point? The kiss was one thing, but buddy has been cheated on twice at the point. They can't NOT have that conversation at the very least because as is, this ain't a great look for Ivy to continue without saying anything.
I feel bad for Kite Man.
The episode made it clear Ivy is with him cause he is a "safe" choice. The King Shark sub plot made it even more obvious.
I assumed if anyone knew if there was a Bathgirl somewhere in comics it would be the amazing Slayven.
A new hero. Is born.
Yeah 🙁
He's such a good dude too 🙁
As someone else said in here a while back. I hope they don't do a character assassination on him. Just so the audience doesn't have to feel bad about Ivy ending their relationship.
I never thought when i was first introduced to Kite man that he would be the love interest of Ivy. When he was introduced it seemed he was just a nobody character just there for some comic relief at that party, and then it just kept going. And now hes one of my favorite characters. Hes such a good guy in the best ways.
During the episode with Catwoman's introduction, Harley says that Ivy is just settling for the first person to be nice to her. Harley was being a shit at the time, but it's kinda true.
It is really cool how when you look back you find more details like this. It makes the characters feel consistent.
It seems like Ivy/Kiteman shippers are disproportionately male whereas Harley/Ivy shippers are disproportionately female. I don't think I've ever seen such a big gender gap in terms of shippers in any fandom I've been in.
Some thoughts on the last episode:
Some thoughts on the last episode:
Maybe Jennifer will be Ivy's maid of honour eventually...
The toilet humour song was a bit much. This show has never really been above toilet humour but usually it's quick and snappy enough that you don't have to dwell on it if it isn't your thing.
King Shark is laying down the most blatant subtext of the episode. Ivy likes Kiteman but isn't really in love with him. He's a safe option but not her true soul mate.
Nora isn't doing the healthy choice at the end there. Maxie Zeus is definitely a downgrade on Mr. Freeze and it seems like she hasn't gotten over his death yet.
I don't really buy that there's a huge amount of evidence that Harley wouldn't be romantically committed to Ivy. Harley's romantic history shows that she actually has the opposite problem in that she can be too committed to someone she's in love with. However, Ivy is way more scared of the idea of Harley leaving her rather than the idea of Kiteman leaving her.
Poor Harley... So far, she always seems to get kicked around by her love life.
In the comics, before they get together, it's almost always Ivy pining after Harley so this is actually a reversal from how things usually are.
The toilet humour song was a bit much. This show has never really been above toilet humour but usually it's quick and snappy enough that you don't have to dwell on it if it isn't your thing.
King Shark is laying down the most blatant subtext of the episode. Ivy likes Kiteman but isn't really in love with him. He's a safe option but not her true soul mate.
Nora isn't doing the healthy choice at the end there. Maxie Zeus is definitely a downgrade on Mr. Freeze and it seems like she hasn't gotten over his death yet.
I don't really buy that there's a huge amount of evidence that Harley wouldn't be romantically committed to Ivy. Harley's romantic history shows that she actually has the opposite problem in that she can be too committed to someone she's in love with. However, Ivy is way more scared of the idea of Harley leaving her rather than the idea of Kiteman leaving her.
Poor Harley... So far, she always seems to get kicked around by her love life.
In the comics, before they get together, it's almost always Ivy pining after Harley so this is actually a reversal from how things usually are.
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I'm both surprised and not shocked at the same time. The show did a good job of making Kiteman likeable.
I'm a dude and I prefer Ivy/Kiteman. I find they work better as a couple while Harley and Ivy work better as friends. Kiteman is also a likeable guy, so I don't want to see Ivy break his heart.
Also, Xena/Ares forever.
Also, Xena/Ares forever.
I'm a guy and I prefer Ivy/Harley.
It's clear that Ivy is only with Kiteman because of safety and is settling rather than reaching for something that would be better for her. She has abandonment issues and is scared that Harley would leave her, an issue that you can't blame her for after everything that happened with her and Joker. Harley putting together this great bachelorette party is just one example of how well she would treat Ivy and how much happier they would be for each other; Harley knows what Ivy likes. The only quality that Kiteman has is that he's nice to her.
But then again, I'm a sucker for my gay ships.
I agree with this. The relationship is out of both of their own insecurities Ivy you've put succinctly but Kite-man is out of the worrying of expectations of others .The kind of stuff Ivy goes to extreme lengths for Harley is beyond just friendship way more than Kiteman. Spends way more time with her, Prioritized Harley calls every single time or thinks of Harley first thing when something happens even while with Kiteman, frank even lifts his glasses at what Kiteman said and even made an earlier jab and Frank is never wrong. He's an extension of Poison Ivy dropping truth bombs. Kiteman's great and hope it get's a more joyful end because the groundwork is there.
terrible Ares people
Kiteman isn't likable Condiment King is likable
I don't get this take on why Ivy is right to distrust Harley with her heart. If you are insinuating that Harley is at risk of going back to Joker over Ivy is a poor read of who these characters are.
As for Kiteman Ivy didn't go to Kiteman for safety. He gained her respect.
Respect isn't the only attribute for loving relationship so Ivy would be better off with Harley but her attraction to Kiteman isn't unfounded.
As someone else said though the writers clearly don't see the Ivy Kiteman relationship as lasting considering the King Shark subtext but so far they have handled the growth of Ivy and Kiteman pretty well so they need to treat the break up or evolution into a poly-amorous relationship just as tastefully as they have done everything else so far.
That said about how tasteful they have been in depicting relationships, that song was atrocious. Amusing at first but got old real quick.
havent watched new season yet, accidentally clicked in here and skimmed a bit
is ivy/poison being setup in the show?
is ivy/poison being setup in the show?
Was I the only one expecting Ivy/Harley and Catwoman to wake up in a bed at one point?
There is no way any of this ends well for Kite man and considering the show that might be fatal.
There is no way any of this ends well for Kite man and considering the show that might be fatal.
For a second I thought they might for a gag, but they've been treating the Ivy/Harley stuff pretty seriously.
I just don't see how Harley/Ivy makes sense as Harley seems to be super villain career-focused and jumps from one thing to another and changes her mind all the time whereas Ivy is a lot more grounded and clearly wants something stable and lasting. She loves Harley, but knows it's likely that she'll lose her one day due to Harley's crazy life and antics. Kite Man is the safe option here - he's shown to be reliable, loyal and his entire life seems to revolve around her. He makes a lot more sense as a partner for her than Harley does.
edit: should have probably mentioned im a gay man
edit: should have probably mentioned im a gay man
Same. At the very least Catwomen sleeping curled up at the end of the bed for a cat joke.
Kite man is definitely going to be burned. I can already hear Ivy telling him "You deserve someone better".
But what would make Kite Man a great character is to be the one to tell Ivy that. But he's too self-absorbed to notice especially with the wedding close.
I wish someone will push the idea to be polly to Ivy. I'm sure Kite Man would totally be up to having a third.
We don't really have a good idea of what either of them are like in a relationship. Harley's been in one relationship (that we know of) and Ivy is in her first. Say what you want about her professional tendencies, but Harley was 1000% committed to the Joker. And it's not like Ivy is just some bookworm. Not too long ago both her and Harley bonded over murdering boardroom execs with toxic waste. Kiteman is safe, sure. But love isn't always about picking the safe option.
He absolutely would, but for all the wrong reasons.
Kiteman the kind of dude who would agree to a threesome because he is afraid you would leave him otherwise.