End of turn would be broken at 5 mana considering the possibilities. That said Big Priest can cheat out 2 10 drops by turn 5/6 if they hit their curve.
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End of turn would be broken at 5 mana considering the possibilities. That said Big Priest can cheat out 2 10 drops by turn 5/6 if they hit their curve.
I was bored last night and thought it would be fun to try to objectively score the Frozen Throne cards and their impact on the meta and then compare that to the scores we collectively rated them prior to the set release. So I went to HSReplay and pulled all the relevant data and dropped it into a spreadsheet. Through some trial-and-error of various formulae, I was able to come up with a 1-5 score for each card, based on its deck winrate, its played winrate and the amount of times its played. I've called it Meta Rating and, while it is almost totally arbitrary, it does seem to match pretty well the subjective scores that most would apply to each card. I've added all this data to our ratings spreadsheet on the tab called "HSReplay Stats".
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LLHGCAPCvMjlzw3bXx8emy87nYm7v2s17d1igF2Cf7M/edit?usp=sharing
On the "Scores" tab, I included the Meta Rating and then did some calculations to see how close our collective ratings were to each card's Meta Rating. You can sort the list by each column by clicking the Filter button in the toolbar or hovering over the column header and selecting your sort via the dropdown. The "Difference" column shows the difference between our rating and the Meta Rating; a positive number means we overestimated the card's meta impact, a negative number means we underestimated it. The "Accuracy" column shows how close our rating was to the card's Meta Rating in percent. So we were waaaaay off on Prince Keleseth, but pretty close on most cards, with over 90% accuracy on close to half the set. Our total accuracy score on the whole set was 86%. Not bad!
Anyway, I had fun messing with the data and hopefully someone else besides me finds it interesting. I might next try to compare the Meta Rating to each individual's card ratings and then give an accuracy score for each person, so we can see who is the best card predictor amongst our group. Might be good to know while we sit here arguing about the upcoming cards!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LLHGCAPCvMjlzw3bXx8emy87nYm7v2s17d1igF2Cf7M/edit?usp=sharing
On the "Scores" tab, I included the Meta Rating and then did some calculations to see how close our collective ratings were to each card's Meta Rating. You can sort the list by each column by clicking the Filter button in the toolbar or hovering over the column header and selecting your sort via the dropdown. The "Difference" column shows the difference between our rating and the Meta Rating; a positive number means we overestimated the card's meta impact, a negative number means we underestimated it. The "Accuracy" column shows how close our rating was to the card's Meta Rating in percent. So we were waaaaay off on Prince Keleseth, but pretty close on most cards, with over 90% accuracy on close to half the set. Our total accuracy score on the whole set was 86%. Not bad!
Anyway, I had fun messing with the data and hopefully someone else besides me finds it interesting. I might next try to compare the Meta Rating to each individual's card ratings and then give an accuracy score for each person, so we can see who is the best card predictor amongst our group. Might be good to know while we sit here arguing about the upcoming cards!
With that card now I can play 2 doomguards without beinf afraid of discarding one of them.
Only for doomguard I think that is great that the card is at the beggining of the turn, also some other minions that are not good enough when you drop them from your hand. And even with that minion that recovers a destroyed weapon you shouldn't be that afraid of being oozed
Only for doomguard I think that is great that the card is at the beggining of the turn, also some other minions that are not good enough when you drop them from your hand. And even with that minion that recovers a destroyed weapon you shouldn't be that afraid of being oozed
Worhless weapon. What a fucking design whiff. Unplayable.
So many cool things they could have done with a warlock weapon. Man, that one hurts.
So many cool things they could have done with a warlock weapon. Man, that one hurts.
This card isnt even close to worth spending 13 mana on, 5 for wep -->oozed---> 3 recover wep ---> 5 for wep ---> 1 demon at start of following turn that cant even attack until the NEXT turn without charge.
Terrible.
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Those stats and scores were awesome. Thank you for putting it together. I remember we all panned Kalseeth and considered it auto dust. Never knew it would come this far.
That's pretty neat. I was ver negative on the majority of cards in KotFT. Keleseth gets a pass because it wasn't all that great before the druid nerfs.
It's a bit disingenuous to write off a card because potential counterplay exists. Just because Oozes and Harrison exist doesn't mean that your weapon is gonna get removed the second it hits the board, lmao. By that logic, literally every minion or spell is trash because removal and silence exist.
Also consider that people teching in weapon removal is gonna hurt their matchup against every deck that doesn't run weapons.
Not going into the need for counterplay to exist in the first place or do you all just want instant win conditions?
This really comes down to how the meta is gonna turn out so writing off the WL weapon as trash is kinda weak.
Atiesh saw a lot of play and with that one you can only start getting value out of it on the turn afterwards in almost all cases. And Atiesh came down much much later into the game meaning there's a higher chance for removal to be drawn.
Also consider that people teching in weapon removal is gonna hurt their matchup against every deck that doesn't run weapons.
Not going into the need for counterplay to exist in the first place or do you all just want instant win conditions?
This really comes down to how the meta is gonna turn out so writing off the WL weapon as trash is kinda weak.
Atiesh saw a lot of play and with that one you can only start getting value out of it on the turn afterwards in almost all cases. And Atiesh came down much much later into the game meaning there's a higher chance for removal to be drawn.
Big pile of stats minions are bad if they make no impact on the board. Because they just get removed.
Atiesh you get a 7/7 with it.
Atiesh you get a 7/7 with it.
Everyone knows that Keleseth was going to be the big looser here, but the interesting one is actually Valeera.
Probably one of the more interesting cards printed in this expansion, but ended up having almost no effect on the meta....yet
Yet being the important word here. If miracle rogue comes back (and looking at Cheat Death + Auctioneer it is poised to), then Valeera will be front and center in that deck. That hero power is INSANE for miracle rogue.
so finally...
finally
I got a friend quest again. the last one was about a week before the release of KFT, so this is like 4 months after that...
I want to share it with someone else from here, reply to me with your tag to add you, NA please.
No traders please.
EDIT: taken by grief
finally
I got a friend quest again. the last one was about a week before the release of KFT, so this is like 4 months after that...
I want to share it with someone else from here, reply to me with your tag to add you, NA please.
No traders please.
EDIT: taken by grief
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Shaman got a great card to counter all the bad evolves you can get now.
**Unstable Evolution**
**Class:** Shaman
**Card type:** Spell
**Rarity:** Epic
**Mana cost:** 1
**Card text:** Transform a friendly minion into one that costs (1) more. Repeatable this turn.
**Unstable Evolution**
**Class:** Shaman
**Card type:** Spell
**Rarity:** Epic
**Mana cost:** 1
**Card text:** Transform a friendly minion into one that costs (1) more. Repeatable this turn.
Even without weapon removal the warlock card stinks. When it comes down at the start of a turn it cant attack that turn, unless its doomcharge.
Its like alaram o bot, but more limited. Weapon removal will be run, and you will be running it too, so its equal. Both of your decks will be 'worsened' an equal amount. My main argument was directed at tje person saying not to worry because of the card that can give you the weapon back. It takes a much too slow underwhelming effect and makes it more than twice as slow lol. Goes from unplayable to ridiculous misplay in that case. If it had been end of turn it could be playable, but a good chance of getting 0 value from a 5 drop with underwhelming effect isnt worth it. At all. The effect would have to be much better to take the risk of a completely wasted turn.
I dont know what they were thinking. They should have taken it in a different direction when they saw this is what they ended up with. Awful.
Atiesh gave a big body, and then added value for spells you were already going to play. Very different. Even if you got oozed you got a 7/7. A decent amount of decks ran weapon removal before, even more will now, for sure. I dont teally get your point about the minions. All thos does is take a,minion from your hand. It uses a resource still. Yes, they would have to teade or use resource to remove. Whats your point lol.
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that is a GREAT card.
it totally counters the bad evolves for just 1 mana. love it.
also, evolve card still lives on for 1 more year
Got beaten badly by a C'Thun Druid and later by a Jade Druid. What is the best way to deal with those decks?
Can you stop C'Thun from being buffed? It seems to me that he is mainly buffed with battlecries, so I guess you can't prevent this, but maybe with Dirty Rat?
What is the best way to deal with the first Jade Golem, kill him as late as possible to delay the Jade Train? I know of Skulking Geist, but I don't have enough dust:(
Playing a Control Mage and some kind of Budget Tempo Rogue by the way.
Can you stop C'Thun from being buffed? It seems to me that he is mainly buffed with battlecries, so I guess you can't prevent this, but maybe with Dirty Rat?
What is the best way to deal with the first Jade Golem, kill him as late as possible to delay the Jade Train? I know of Skulking Geist, but I don't have enough dust:(
Playing a Control Mage and some kind of Budget Tempo Rogue by the way.
Aah, HS finally got 'Funstable'
Fill your hand with Gadgetzan Auctioneer? :P
I think it means you dont 'use up' the card until the end of your turn. As in, you can play snowflipper and evolve it 10 times using this 1 card.
The card can be used as many times as you want in one turn as long as you have mana. You could play Snowflipper Penguin and use Unstable Evolution on it 10 times in a row to get a 10 Mana minion - or you could stop anywhere along the way. The card will only leave you hand at the end of the turn.
It is also not limited to one minion. You could play Saronite Chain Gang on Turn 8, and evolve one there times and other other once.
It is basically a precision evolving card
Pump up your yogg 10 times and/or make a big ass edwin when you burgle this as a rogue!
The dream scenario is getting sorc apprentice or the priest one and getting infinite evolves for the rest of the turn. But yeah there is a dream scenario where you get leeroy into rocketeet into devilsaur into alakir or gromm into king krush
It looks like 10 free packs total for Kobolds
Three as a launch login bonus. Three via Dungeon Run attempts, and four via the ongoing tavern brawls in the run up to launch. So everyone is guaranteed at least one legendary from packs without even spending gold. I think that is the first time blizzard offered enough free packs at launch to guarantee a legend card. Add in the free weapon, and it arguably feels generous.
Three as a launch login bonus. Three via Dungeon Run attempts, and four via the ongoing tavern brawls in the run up to launch. So everyone is guaranteed at least one legendary from packs without even spending gold. I think that is the first time blizzard offered enough free packs at launch to guarantee a legend card. Add in the free weapon, and it arguably feels generous.
I think MSG had several free packs, I can't remember how many but I want to say 3 per faction quest which could be completely wrong. Granted, at the time the legendary in first 10 packs was not guaranteed.
Yeah, this combined with a pteorder will be enough for me. Especially now that i feel free to disenchant KotFT legendaries i never touch.
They didn't have the system that rewarded a legendary in the first 10 packs though, so I see what he's saying.
so the spell remains in your hand and you can keep playing it? That's pretty good controllable RNG. Still too expensive for a single target evolve, I don't think it's playable but I like this repeat mechanic, hopefully we see it on a better card. Honestly they can't make it any cheaper either, it just sucks. Maybe you can utilize its effect as multiple spells in one card with witch doctor or similar, evolve your totems maybe.
Lol, this spell with witchdoctor gives you a lot of opportunities to get sorc apprentice or radiant.
I think that card is all sorts of fun. Throw it in the totem deck and you can have unlimited fun at rank 15.
Yeah I agree. If they want to keep touting Marin as a true free legendary from Kobolds then you should be able to disenchant him. It's not like C'thun where a large part of the set focused directly on him. Not that I want to disenchant him, but Blizz acting like giving everyone Marin is part of the solution for Hearthstone's rising costs, while not letting people disenchant him for something they might need is silly.
I really don't know how to feel about Unstable Evolution.
Fits pretty well into that single target evolve deck I'd like to see turn into a thing but it might be a bit cost prohibitive. Definitely seems tailored to minions you can cheat out, like Nerubian Prophet for example.
I don't know, I want to believe it's good but it could very well end up being useless. That said, Shaman has 3 cards left to reveal and there better be some busted shit in there if the class is going to be relevant at all over the next few months.
Fits pretty well into that single target evolve deck I'd like to see turn into a thing but it might be a bit cost prohibitive. Definitely seems tailored to minions you can cheat out, like Nerubian Prophet for example.
I don't know, I want to believe it's good but it could very well end up being useless. That said, Shaman has 3 cards left to reveal and there better be some busted shit in there if the class is going to be relevant at all over the next few months.
it's been constantly used by team 5 as a way of demonstrate how generous they are with HS.
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