Definitely true for a faction drop.
yes!
Helldivers 2 has been delisted on Steam in countries where PSN isn't available
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It was dropping before the link update though, since that, and all this outrage, only happened yesterday. lilScooby was right, people were getting bored with the game. AH needs that third faction soon.
And it is still user issue and not huge corporation issue? PSN is live for 18 years and Sony still didn't do World Wide account support. And then they decided to expand into space that doesn't have those issues without thinking.
So you're blaming them for something that was working, for not working soon and they were supposed to know PSN details when gaming only on PC?
What?
Let's be very clear here that the only one doing the screwing over is Sony. 😂
That has been the trend for a while, we haven't seen a significant drop since the announcement (The A is the announcement):
Drop will happen once the requirement is enforced. May 30th for all those currently playing. You're early.
Why would PC gamers who never needed a PSN account know about the obscure Sony policy?
Why would they RISK something like that? Not everyone is okay with rsiking their account on a policy that is explicitly forbidden in the ToS, even if sony is not enforcing it.
And some people just don't do something "illegal" like this ever.
I highly doubt that is the case. The fact is the game has been falling in popularity for a couple weeks, they need a new faction.
You said we haven't seen a significant drop, I'm saying it won't happen until the enforcement.
Yeah you are right. Doesn't seem like much has changedThat has been the trend for a while, we haven't seen a significant drop since the announcement (The A is the announcement):
I'm very curious what happens now. This seems like a rocky relationship at best.
I can understand that PSN doesn't exist in these countries. That being said Sony should have made a PC PSN of sorts if they were planning on selling a PC game that would require a PSN account in those countries. Like holy shit what a shitshow. What did they expect to happen??? Why even delist? Other publishers have their games up in unsupported countries and it works out fine.
You'd be surprised how many Steam players on supported countries do not want to use PSN accounts, even if they have one.
What is the significant drop going to be:
We have already dropped from 200k to 100k. What is it going to drop down from 100k to 0k?
Noticeable enough, but trying to put a number is hard, I can't find my 8-ball :(
I was on the "meh" side of the fence on this issue until there were people getting locked out of their purchase because of regional availability.
This is pretty stupid on Sony. And if this is only so they can track some metrics, then it's a whole new level of stupidity.
This is pretty stupid on Sony. And if this is only so they can track some metrics, then it's a whole new level of stupidity.
Given the CEO and the staff are saying they are actively looking for a solution, I think they are just going to release a separate game version in the countries that don't support PSN. (Echoing what someone said here)
Hope the game won't die down because of this fiasco, but I doubt anyone outside of Reddit/here/Discord really care or are aware of even what's going on at the moment.
Hope the game won't die down because of this fiasco, but I doubt anyone outside of Reddit/here/Discord really care or are aware of even what's going on at the moment.
Steam users cry in rage when they see the Epic store, i am not shocked by this.
Is it going to be more noticeable than the 200k to 100k? Because I find that to be mathematically impossible.
The point is, the game was already falling off substantially. There is a vocal minority of players complaining about this, but I'm really wondering if they were even still playing the game (given the fact that they have been bleeding players).
That's a 50% drop, so 100k to 50k would be another 50% drop, right? 👀
Yeah, it wouldn't be in absolute numbers. Trend in % numbers tho.
That has been the trend for a while, we haven't seen a significant drop since the announcement (The A is the announcement):
Gotta compare to last weekend for any real picture. Saturday peaking lower than Thursday is certainly not the norm.
I mean list of countries where Helldivers 2 will be unlisted since there is no PSN support.
That actually would be worse.
Tier 2 countries again? Microsoft never recovered from when they did.
And you'd piss off people that would be forced to link PSN on countries that are supported.
This is the very first Saturday where numbers weren't higher than the Friday the day before. Still pretty good numbers compared to many other games on Steam, but it'll have a measurable effect. In a few days you'll be able to see what, if any, effect it has on sales because those aren't strict 24 hour sales charts outside of specific events.
It is a corporation issue. But the loudest voices complaining about it aren't the ones being directly affected by this. And it ends up screwing over the people who would be, but have managed to get by just fine. Do you really think people from countries like mine are so helpless that we couldn't figure out how to make accounts based in other countries so we can access games? That's infantilizing and insulting as hell.
Yes, publishers/corporations need to fucking do better. But capital G Gamers, too. Stop using smaller, less fortunate developing countries as their fucking crutches and convenient excuses whenever something like this happen and they just want to stick it to the corpos. People like me already got screwed over thanks to Steam users from privileged countries region-hopping to take advantage of regional pricing, ffs.
lol touche
That's the point. It's being delisted because PSN is not available in that region. It isn't being delisted because PlayStation doesn't exist in that region (which I'm assuming it does?)
Which leads me to my next question - why are there so many users worldwide with PSN accounts outside of their region, does Sony sell Playstation in regions where PSN isn't supported?
Because some people used it as a bullet point against the PSN integration.
"Why are they selling it in regions without official PSN support?"
And Sony said "Now we don't."
Okay. So what about buying future Sony games on Steam? You expect every Steam user to violate Valve's TOS for purchasing outside their store region?
What I am trying to say is Playstation is officially launched and supported by SIE in the Philippines since PS2 yet there is still no PSN support.
Ah yes, you think we are trying to do the white man saviour thing or something.
I think you live in PSN land and are too used to console gaming. You don't seem to be aware of how different PC gaming communities behave.
Ask EA. Ask Epic.
Heck, several MMO games force you to use the Steam account and you can't use an external account. Because some do not want an external account. Those are the ones complaining.
Get out off your high horse. The ones being loud did not start because of where PSN was available. It started because they had to link ANOTHER account.
The PSN availability issue came after.
What are you even talking about? Which Steam users? What game? Which region?
Also let's not act as if the esteemed Steam users™ haven't been bypassing Valve ToS proudly to region-hop and purchase games from countries with cheaper regional prices, which ended up screwing over users from those regions when devs/pubs have to raise prices significantly to counter that.
Oh, I know how the PC gaming communities behave. See my above post:
It can both be a publisher/corporate issue AND asshole users issue.
If you are gonna go that route, don't forget to fire shots at Microsoft account users and Nintendo account users. You missed them in your generalization.
I understand now, sorry for the confusion.
It's unacceptable. How they can justify selling the console there but not adding PSN support is frankly unconscionable
If Helldivers 2 is delisted from regions where PSN doesn't exist, future Sony games won't be available in those regions either.
Region hopping doesn't really work anymore because Valve limits how many times you can "hop" so you're locked out of "hopping" for a few months at a time.
Not sure where you're going with this. Not having PSN doesn't mean those countries have sanctions that bans them from selling their product.
Some Sony Exec: "Now that the damned golden goose is out of the way, we can really start profiting on all these eggs!"
What's with the whataboutism?
I don't use MS or Nintendo, so I wouldn't dare speak about them. I do use PSN, Steam, and EGS. Steam's regional pricing issue stemming from users region-hopping ended up affecting prices in my country to that I had to buy some games on EGS instead.
I don't remember where I saw it but there was a remark from a NZ user that did mention a game on Steam costing well above the "magic" amount of 60 USSD and closer to 90. It was in one of the more recent $$$ threads we have had.
I didn't make the remark at the time but surely the NZ region would be an interesting place to start, to see what people actually do wrt creating accounts.
The years of besting the US/larger worldwide release date by a day at the most by "hopping" has never had a proper look and it always gave me pause.
I didn't make the remark at the time but surely the NZ region would be an interesting place to start, to see what people actually do wrt creating accounts.
The years of besting the US/larger worldwide release date by a day at the most by "hopping" has never had a proper look and it always gave me pause.
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