I was thinking they make it clear if they do so. Say that Helldivers 2 won't require a PSN account but every other multiplayer game, or ones with multiplayer elements, will, 100%; no ifs ands or buts.
Helldivers 2 on PC will soon require players to link a PSN account to their Steam account (June 4th for existing players)
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I was thinking they make it clear if they do so. Say that Helldivers 2 won't require a PSN account but every other multiplayer game, or ones with multiplayer elements, will, 100%; no ifs ands or buts.
They want to do this for all their games that have a multiplayer component. Ghost of Tsushima on PC will have it too for the Legends mode.
They won't backtrack, else they are basically admitting it's actually an issue.
Or they just leave the PSN requirements in place and a bunch of people will get over it with time.
And if those currently being assholes in game ever link a PSN they get a nice ban double whammy - they get banned from PSN and Helldivers 2 at the same time.
It is legit a one time account link, we aren't even talking about requiring a separate launcher like Red Dead Redemption 2 or GTA VI.
It DID launch with it, but they turned it off shortly after in order to reduce server load on PSN so that wouldn't crash too.
It's not the cynic in you, it's how things work. Every big publisher does it (and you have all the right to hate it, ofc, but nothing's gonna change). And if you think Valve isn't constantly data harvesting, well I have bad news for you.
Companies should be quiet when they want to implement things like this.
News about this = people will complain.
No news = people will just create an account and play the game.
Gamers just hate it because they want enter the hate bandwagon, every multiplayer game does this type of thing.
News about this = people will complain.
No news = people will just create an account and play the game.
Gamers just hate it because they want enter the hate bandwagon, every multiplayer game does this type of thing.
Or Google, Meta, Twitter, Tiktok, etc. Be honest, it has nothing to do with data, it has everything to do with ick its Sony.
No, I have been buying and playing games on my Japanese PSN account since 2006.
Also, this data harvesting happens, PSN ID or not. It happens in single player games too.
The only difference is instead of Sony having to guess its you, you just flat out tell them its you.
Plus the other benefits for them of having players linked properly to PSN (Less cross play issues, cross progression and full control over being able to ban).
no, i recently lived in canada for 4 years and played multiplayer games on a US PSN account constantly and had no issues
I've also occasionally played stuff on my Japanese PSN account off and on for nearly 18 years at this point
Talk isn't what made it a thing, it's just the timing of when they implemented it. It was gonna be a controversy whether or not the company said anything.
The issue is just that this is a change in policy. I really doubt that if they just started enforcing it on June 4th with no announcement you'd see any different of a reaction.
I'm sure the game will be fine even if they don't change it, but I also think some (light) negative reactions are fair given the game has been working perfectly fine w/o linking accounts up til this point, and the game even has its own implementation for accounts/friends list outside of both Steam and PSN. It's basically 0 value added for the player.
Obviously capital Gamers being Gamers are blowing it way out of proportion, but that's just what they do about anything. To me it's just a bone headed move by Sony to undercut what has been a great narrative for their first huge multi-platform launch.
The reaction to this feels like some people just always need something to be mad about
There's always some kind of battle going on, us vs them mentality
There's always some kind of battle going on, us vs them mentality
I'm guessing the problem is making a PSN account is as difficult as signing up for the Konami ID for MGS4 right?
I created my PSN account back in 2009 or 2010 while I was in the US for a few months, made it a US account since I was there and Latam PSN weren't a thing at the time I think, at least not the Peruvian one. Been using they account for more than a decade now here in Peru and all's good.
Wow, this is more likely to make me get Helldivers 2.
I have a ps5 but dont play games online with it (apart from dabbling with things like fortnite which is free to play) as it requires a paid subscription but Sony adding the login on the game is allowing me to use psn somewhat without a subscription.
Kinda hope Sony comes to a point where they drop the subscription requirements to play online as with things like this it shows you don't need it to pay to play online. Maybe this will help them get the idea of dropping it, so that more people play online on a ps5 rather than pc where it's free.
I have a ps5 but dont play games online with it (apart from dabbling with things like fortnite which is free to play) as it requires a paid subscription but Sony adding the login on the game is allowing me to use psn somewhat without a subscription.
Kinda hope Sony comes to a point where they drop the subscription requirements to play online as with things like this it shows you don't need it to pay to play online. Maybe this will help them get the idea of dropping it, so that more people play online on a ps5 rather than pc where it's free.
Let's keep in mind that this is the community that earlier this very week threw a massive hissy over ricochets supposedly bouncing back and hitting Helldivers in the head. There were dozens of posts, targeted harassment of CMs, etc. Only, it turned out that these ricochets don't actually fucking happen and it was a bunch of misinformation and lies. Yet even still, thousands of capital G gamers were shitting themselves over it and throwing massive fits.
There are some valid concerns. People losing access to Helldivers because PSN doesn't support their region, for instance. But that's not what's going on here, this is just a toxic community lashing out the instant a perceived inconvenience arises.
There are some valid concerns. People losing access to Helldivers because PSN doesn't support their region, for instance. But that's not what's going on here, this is just a toxic community lashing out the instant a perceived inconvenience arises.
First, they don't need a PSN account to harvest your data. At all. Trust me, and if you don't, online you will find a lot of good resources about this topic. If they, or anyone else, wanted your data, they would get it. Proprietary account or not.
Second, there are legitimate benefits to all players with such a requirement, including PC gamers only. Improved crossplay functionality, which improves the health of the game's userbase and thus the ongoing support it receives, which is good for everyone even if someone decides to not personally use it; and improved user handling, mostly it should improve the capabilities of Arrowhead/Sony to properly ban bad actors without being dependent on Valve and which once again should help improve the health of the game's userbase. There might be more benefits I'm unaware of plus further benefits for multi-platform users of course but those should be irrelevant to a PC only gamer who plans to remain one.
Obviously, there are also benefits for Sony, mostly improved ecosystem reach. I don't know how this would affect PS's MAUs, if at all. Perhaps others know more.
Lastly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, feeling, taste or preference but those by themselves don't make a legitimate issue worthy of support or solution. Assuming you are in a country supported by PSN, you were properly informed of this requirement since the very beginning and in spite of this you freely chose to buy the game. The terms of the deal have not been altered in any way. That's why people such as myself say there is nothing wrong with what's happening here. Now that said requirement has been implemented you are also free to drop the game if you choose to do so. But no one has acted wrongfully during this whole procces. Everything changes if you are one of those people that are not in a supported country by PSN.
Well, of course he is going to say that. And of course the reaction is not warranted. And of course the "problem" is, like, whatever.
Gamers and their drama, man.
I feel like it's gotten worse lately, everyone's mad about SOMETHING now, and half the time it's full of misinformation and cherry-picking.
The outrage grifting is getting so out of hand.
It isn't a PSN log in, it is a PSN link. You legit link the account one time.
lol that's all it is?! Have these people never linked an account from one service to another before? Its especially ironic for PC gamers since so many digital storefronts outside Steam do this. Really is a lot of "Sony bad" hand wringing huh?
Are all logins bad, or just this one? Because I don't own this game, but I'm currently logged in to every fucking publisher account out there on my PS4, PS5 and Xbox (and I don't game on PC but I know it's the same story there). Please someone tell me how mad should I be.
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So this is a fully fucking crisis now, right? You got multiple major streamers openly boycotting the game now, the discourse is filled with people freaking out about Sony banning off-region accounts and coercing PS+ subscriptions, Steam is getting review-bombed and now likely pummeled with refund requests, and Arrowhead themselves have openly taken mea culpas on it. At this point shit is out of control, as you can probably tell by the 20+ page thread.
Easiest win for Sony is to not push it anymore and play it off like "oops sorry we learned our lesson" and hope nobody remembers that Ghost of Tsushima has a multiplayer mode. Hope y'all are chill with Helldivers cross-play still being buggy and cross-progression likely never happening.
God this is so fucking stupid.
Easiest win for Sony is to not push it anymore and play it off like "oops sorry we learned our lesson" and hope nobody remembers that Ghost of Tsushima has a multiplayer mode. Hope y'all are chill with Helldivers cross-play still being buggy and cross-progression likely never happening.
God this is so fucking stupid.
You literally link your PSN account, that is all it is. Log in one time, and never again. I did it without even thinking about it when HD2 launched..
There are some people who are outside of PSN supported areas, and for them yah, this is BS. The vast majority, just being Sony bad.
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He's not confused about this, just using it interchangeably.
Ok, I also thought this was PSN login and not linking. This makes this whole thing somehow even more nonsensical and stupid. A huge part of this has to be people trolling and finding a sense of community by engaging in the latest object of gamer's ire.
I don't think a PSN link is bad, we do this ALL the time in the PC space. I'm willing to bet, yes again, that a solid chunk of people think this means you are creating an account and having to go through a launcher. It is a one time link like a HUGE chunk of cross platform games.
i guarantee you that Helldivers will move past this and stay popular
especially once more content comes out
First time? Gamers are reactionary. I partially feel that is exactly why this is happening, people are feeling done with the game so why not stir up some shit.
Who is saying that? There is a massive understanding for individuals who bought the game in areas that do not have PSN support. What I don't support is the burn it to the ground approach from individuals who live in areas that have PSN.
Man, I linked Destiny 2 to PSN and Xbox without a second thought. I cannot believe I actually installed Read Dead Redemption 2. It has a launcher!
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Hopefully, they don't bow down. Let the toddlers have their temper tantrums. If there's one thing we learned through the years is Gamers have no spines. Don't give them the satisfaction that throwing a temper tantrum is the solution.
Tarkov will keep trucking, Helldivers too. We're a decades plus too late to prevent accounts linking.
Tarkov will keep trucking, Helldivers too. We're a decades plus too late to prevent accounts linking.
once you get close to 30 years old this type of internet drama is enough to get you to stop online gaming.
Xbox going multi platform started it for me and this is adding fuel to the fire.
There's grown men acting like children right now, t minus 12 hours since announcing this over a month in advance.
Xbox going multi platform started it for me and this is adding fuel to the fire.
There's grown men acting like children right now, t minus 12 hours since announcing this over a month in advance.
A bunch of negative Steam reviews is hardly burning anything to the ground.
I think the lesson here is that you can't put the genie back in the bottle without some form of backlash. If it was mandated enforced at launch, there would be a stink (and there was before it was turned off), but I doubt it would have been as bad, and people would have just dealt with it since it was required for the game to function. Some weirdos would have been vocal, but likely far fewer.
Enforcing this however many months post launch? You've lost the perception among your playerbase that PSN is a requirement, because they've been playing just fine for however many hours without it, and now suddenly it's mandatory. It was always a requirement for the same reason both ways, but the first one hides that behind a bit of an illusion and perhaps benefit of the doubt. The country issue aside (which I hope they find a way to resolve, because that sucks), people will ultimately just deal with it like in option 1, but now you're also trending on Twitter, your review scores took a hit, and you've got a fire to put out.
It'll blow over eventually either way but it would suck to be a community manager on that team right now.
Enforcing this however many months post launch? You've lost the perception among your playerbase that PSN is a requirement, because they've been playing just fine for however many hours without it, and now suddenly it's mandatory. It was always a requirement for the same reason both ways, but the first one hides that behind a bit of an illusion and perhaps benefit of the doubt. The country issue aside (which I hope they find a way to resolve, because that sucks), people will ultimately just deal with it like in option 1, but now you're also trending on Twitter, your review scores took a hit, and you've got a fire to put out.
It'll blow over eventually either way but it would suck to be a community manager on that team right now.
It was mandated at launch. There wasn't a stink about it whatsoever. You may be thinking of the nProtect Gameguard.
Kinda feeling like this ITT tbh. I don't personally care about having to log in to a PSN account, but I can understand why some folks are against it in principle. Of course nobody deserves actual harassment or anything (and people doing that deserve to be called out as such), but trying to portray everyone expressing their displeasure in civil ways (including voting with their wallets) as a toddler/crybaby is not cool.
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