Hope there's an archive to the stream. Can't watch it right now but it seems really interesting.
Holy shit: Pokémon Sword 2018 beta just leaked, including Pokémon that were cut in the final version. (Only 21 Pokemon modeled in)
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Damnit. Time constraints and the need to rush out a title every year definitely hampered this games development. The developers definitely put a lot of passion and soul into this game and it sucks it doesn't completely show in the final version. I still think these games could've been the best in the series if they had a little more time to cook
You do know optimization is done at the final parts of development, right?
The people who bashed the whole rushed/time constraints argument, are looking like mega clowns right now. At the same time, the region design is pretty bad for a Switch title. THey should've ditched the whole "Point A > Point B" route design in favour of a more open route design.
Probably not intentional. I'd presume that the on-rails camera was added later since that is a more complicated (But also lower priority) system to build.
Except the beta is lagging at almost identical points to the finished game. So you can't really say that much optimization was done there, meaning that it was likely GF being very inefficient with their resources.
This would have been for testing only. No chance it was gonna ship with the final game.
You do know the final version still has minor framerate issues and massive popup, right? Yes, I'm well aware, but optimization is usually done with all the assets in and then they're cut back/modified until the target performance range is reached. A completely empty environment shouldn't be that intensive.
I'd be one thing if the NPCs didn't appear 10ft in front of me in towns, then I could commend them on how far they'd come, but...
Was Route 1 REALLY in that state in 2018? The damn game was like 18 months from release at most. This utterly screams rushed. Why oh WHY did Let's Go have to exist to take away what little resources GF could afford and WHY couldn't they just have waited another year?
Or better, just fucking get Monolith Soft to help. I don't care if it's a "dumb meme", they know how to make open-world, monster battling JRPGs. They'd have been VERY useful to GF and by god would the sales have made even 100x the effort worthwhile since it sold what, 16 million copies during the holiday season anyway?
Or better, just fucking get Monolith Soft to help. I don't care if it's a "dumb meme", they know how to make open-world, monster battling JRPGs. They'd have been VERY useful to GF and by god would the sales have made even 100x the effort worthwhile since it sold what, 16 million copies during the holiday season anyway?
I love that TwitchPlaysPokemon is in the chat. Also : this is amazing. Also also : sooo many people don't realize what a beta actually is.
I know the game doesn't have framerate issues and loading times as bad as this beta does, because this is still unoptimized code. And to the bolded, you'd be surprised. You'd be really, really surprised about it.
Finally, the long-awaited crossover with Cel Damage!
And it kind of runs poorly in the final release too so double shocker!
What about Route 1 being in that state over a year before shipment implies that the game was rushed?
Shouldn't they have had the first route of the game pretty much full modeled by now?
They'd need a long time to debug and QA a JRPG I'd bet, so you'd think the game would be very far along, assuming it began development at around holiday 2016 when Sun and Moon came out, if not earlier.
yeah some of these posts are silly commenting about performance on a beta and in some cases running on a community developed emulator which is also still under heavy development
Yes, believe it or not, before a game is finished its not optimized at all.
Crazy right?
Twitch chat is really insufferable, as usual; also think I got a headache from that music loop.
Being the first location accessible to the player in the final version in no way means it'd be the first area completed.
Then the studio heads shouldn't have set such an aggressive timeline for their games. They shouldn't have bet on the Switch bombing and decided to develop LGPE first. They shouldn't keep splitting resources between developing multiple titles at the same time if they're having resource issues and hiring several hundred contractors to finish the game. These are the types of problems I expect in studios making massively complex games or without much experience in game development, not in a 30+ year old studio with one of the most popular franchises in the world and a presumably healthy budget to work with
People are acting like the final product was some technical marvel or it had the makings of some super ambitious title. Neither of those are the case
They don't necessarily have to work on areas in gameplay order. One they have the basic outline of the map, and it's playable, they can built it however
My thoughts exactly. This pretty much confirmed what I feared what was the case, namely that Sword/Shield needed more time in the oven instead of being rushed out in time for the holiday season. Hopefully Game Freak/TPCi/Nintendo take their time going forward.
Likewise, I hope Game Freak reaches out to a studio like MonolithSoft, Bamco, Nintendo EPD, or KT for help going forward (it worked out for Intelligent Systems with Three Houses).
All they had to do was not say that they cut Pokemon in order to improve overall graphics. At that point, you are inviting scrutiny. They could've easily made a plausible statement that they cut Pokemon specifically for gameplay balance. At least with balance, no one will give two shits about what Pokemon's gone.
That's more likely to be a debug camera
They co-own the rights to Pokemon IP.
that assumes they'd model the game in the order the player would traverse it
but generally, games don't really resemble anything playable until at least 90% of the way through development
not saying that this game wasn't rushed out the door or anything, but video games aren't made in chronological order lol
A fair point. It's just bizarre that it's in that state if anything. You'd think they'd have a had a clear beginning done by that point. :P
I really hope this isn't the impetus for Nintendo to start really cracking down on the giga leak.
The game was definitely rushed but this isn't really a very valid point. Did you know that the whole child Link stuff in Ocarina of Time was implemented pretty late in development?
I mean for all you know that was something planned and saw that there was no way to do it, like this means nothing really, so many things that make you say "wow this was rushed because they dropped something that i believe was better" are dropped from development all the time
