How long will the next gen 60fps train last?
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As long as you guys keep making it a very vocal topic and keep massively pestering developers about it, it should stick.
Devs that didn't intend on considering 60fps at first have definitely felt the pressure of being singled out, which is why you're seeing performance modes getting patched in to games already out.
So whenever a game is known to not have a 60fps mode, make a big ruckus about it. That's the only way it'll be here to stay!
Devs that didn't intend on considering 60fps at first have definitely felt the pressure of being singled out, which is why you're seeing performance modes getting patched in to games already out.
So whenever a game is known to not have a 60fps mode, make a big ruckus about it. That's the only way it'll be here to stay!
The games that traditionally push CPU to the limits probably won't have 60 fps modes, so I guess Assassin's Creed, Elder Scrolls, GTA and other open world games in that vein.
Probably true for certain Xbox studios, but I'd guess that there will be at least some Xbox first party games that will try to match the visuals of Sony's first party and Rockstar.
If they want to even have a chance at competing in visuals department, that will without a doubt mean that certain games must be developed from the start with 30fps as a target, as that's what Sony and Rockstar will definitely do. With complex visuals that really push the systems, getting 60fps mode isn't necessarily that easy.
Every big budget release will always be compared to whatever game has the best visuals at that time. Whether something runs at 30 or 60 is pretty irrelevant in that discussion if we look at social media or places that are not Era. I'd say this will push several Xbox games like Fable, Hellblade etc to also target 30fps.
I'll put it this way: I've generally never had a problem keeping 60+ fps performance on PC games so long as I invested in a well-scaled CPU for that period of game tech, and didn't mind scaling back GPU-heavy settings as time went on. Because the PS5/XSX/XSS have plenty of breathing room re: CPU power, I think that's likely to be true for them too. This is a very different "ballgame" compared to the PS3/360 gen.
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That's it, I don't know why people separate graphics form framerate. 60fps contributes to better looking visuals.
Might've ended with Horizon already, we'll see, hopefully they just wanted to show off 4k mode and have a 60fps mode at launch.
Hopefully there's some sort of general backlash to anything 30fps this gen so that we never have to deal with this transition again and it just becomes the norm.
Tbh though it's probably safe to say it's going away at some point when the most critically acclaimed and talked about games on the best selling platform are usually 30fps.
Hopefully there's some sort of general backlash to anything 30fps this gen so that we never have to deal with this transition again and it just becomes the norm.
Tbh though it's probably safe to say it's going away at some point when the most critically acclaimed and talked about games on the best selling platform are usually 30fps.
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I'm fine with 30 fps, but give me a quality mode that doesn't just mean "native 4K". 1440p30 with higher quality lighting and effects that push the hardware would be great, but I think that will take time, especially not going to happen while last gen is supported.
It's here to stay. I mean, come on. There will still be 30fps games but I don't know how anyone could look at last gen, even, and think that 60fps hasn't been gaining prominence in a big way for half a decade now already. Anyone except people who don't play many multiplayer games and stick solely to first party AAA output.
Seriously, just take an honest look at just how many franchises went 60fps last gen despite underpowered CPUs and ambitious audiovisual targets. The entire gaming industry isn't just going to default to 30fps again at some nebulous point down the road, not when so many notable developers chose to make the switch to 60fps years ago, the very moment it became feasible for them.
Seriously, just take an honest look at just how many franchises went 60fps last gen despite underpowered CPUs and ambitious audiovisual targets. The entire gaming industry isn't just going to default to 30fps again at some nebulous point down the road, not when so many notable developers chose to make the switch to 60fps years ago, the very moment it became feasible for them.
Why do people think this way? Did developers go back to a resolution of 480p to push graphics once 1080p became a thing?
No. Resolution has evolved. Performance has evolved.
And as shown by comments like these, people are getting spoiled by better performance for good, as it should be:
Yes, however to nitpick a bit, having been playing before 3D became a thing when games ran at 60Hz, I don't really agree with the idea that we've been getting spoiled recently.
Rather I would say, games are starting to get back to how they should feel to play. I think there's a generation of players that started with 3D and got used to 30fps feeling "normal", when it was actually a regression that has lasted a long time. I always thought 30fps felt not great.
I'm going to be an optimist and say that even once the cross-gen games stop and we finally start getting proper XS/PS5 games, developers will include "Resolution" and "Performance" modes in games just as they have for the last few years.The norm going forward will probably be just to give players the option if they want ultra-pretty graphics or a high framerate.
Competitive shooters, fighting games, and racing games at least will definitely prioritize framerate over graphics. I can't think of the last AAA game in any of those genres that prioritized 30fps. I get the impression that most devs have come to realize that more and more people are beginning to value smooth performance in their games. Especially since the new consoles are actually able to achieve those high framerates.
Competitive shooters, fighting games, and racing games at least will definitely prioritize framerate over graphics. I can't think of the last AAA game in any of those genres that prioritized 30fps. I get the impression that most devs have come to realize that more and more people are beginning to value smooth performance in their games. Especially since the new consoles are actually able to achieve those high framerates.
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I'm optimistic, the 60fps train ain't stopping.
No reason why developers can't continue with 30fps and 60fps modes, with cut backs in some area's to make it work.
No reason why developers can't continue with 30fps and 60fps modes, with cut backs in some area's to make it work.
As someone who, in the past, liked 30fps with higher graphics settings to 60fps, I have become very spoiled this year. I didn't think devs would actually start making 60 seem like the default choice but here we are.
So, I am now fully on this train, and really don't want to go back to 30 if possible. I do worry that as pure next gen games become more common, devs may thrust us back to 30 in order to get RT, higher effects etc, but I want/crave 60 now lol
Life was so much simpler when I was fine with 30 :)
So, I am now fully on this train, and really don't want to go back to 30 if possible. I do worry that as pure next gen games become more common, devs may thrust us back to 30 in order to get RT, higher effects etc, but I want/crave 60 now lol
Life was so much simpler when I was fine with 30 :)
Mainstream gamers don't care about frame rates providing it's stable. You'll get a lot of confirmation bias on an enthusiast forum advocating for 60fps but outside of this bubble it's less of a consideration.
Well, The Medium did get a bit of a roasting but not necessarily for that reason.
Performance+Resolution modes will last the entire generation. Some devs will not, and they'll get fewer sales because of it.
If AAA games go back to just being 30fps with no option they're going right in my trash can. These consoles support ray tracing and up to 120hz, you need to support a lot of options. Give a 60fps mode or don't even bother.
For the vast majority of games outside of the AAA space, 60fps should 100% be the norm and there's no reason it wouldn't be. So unless the ONLY games you play are AAA (which I get the feeling a lot of people here do), you should be seeing 60fps a large large large amount of the time.
For the vast majority of games outside of the AAA space, 60fps should 100% be the norm and there's no reason it wouldn't be. So unless the ONLY games you play are AAA (which I get the feeling a lot of people here do), you should be seeing 60fps a large large large amount of the time.
Until devs feel the need to lie to gamers about 30fps being "more cinematic" again instead of just pointing out that the hardware can't actually handle their targets for visuals and 60fps.