Hulk has been an absolute jobber in the MCU since the first Avengers film
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I'm strictly talking about Endgame. That was his big moment in the movie, it was all him, with him literally being the only Avenger on hand that could reliably use the stones without dying.
Regarding him finding that particular balance, I didn't have an issue with it being off-screened, because I didn't really feel that the movies, namely IW, was building up to that? Like I guess for comic readers they expected/hoped for that particular endpoint to be reached, but I thought he was already just fine with freely transforming into the Hulk when needed. So suddenly seeing him as Professor Hulk, I didn't feel robbed there, was a pleasant surprise more than anything that made sense considering the 5 year gap.
Honestly, dude really needed his own movie, cuz that's the right time IMO to go full in-depth on him becoming Professor Hulk, not in the middle of the events IW/EG.
Regarding him finding that particular balance, I didn't have an issue with it being off-screened, because I didn't really feel that the movies, namely IW, was building up to that? Like I guess for comic readers they expected/hoped for that particular endpoint to be reached, but I thought he was already just fine with freely transforming into the Hulk when needed. So suddenly seeing him as Professor Hulk, I didn't feel robbed there, was a pleasant surprise more than anything that made sense considering the 5 year gap.
Honestly, dude really needed his own movie, cuz that's the right time IMO to go full in-depth on him becoming Professor Hulk, not in the middle of the events IW/EG.
Whoops, totally forgot. Thanks for quoting, edited and spoiler coded.
I'm not arguing, I'm really curious, what is he fighting these days?
he also had to hold up an entire fucking building complex the size of a city block in order to save the lives of friends.
I was wondering about that too. I wanted to see what would happen and how it was going to play out in Endgame
but nope, problem solved immediately
I'm somewhat aware of their history in the comics but I'm only referring to the MCU. He should be the strongest and most durable member of the team. That should the the purpose he serves, basically he's the tank. Thor can be stronger because of his additional powers but I don't like the fact that he can defeat Hulk with his just his speed, strength, and skill.
And now that has extended to Captain Marvel to now. So what if she can fly and blast lasers. The last movie pretty much says that she can beat Hulk in a fist fight without using any of her other powers. His selling point was that he was a unstoppable force of nature, now it's just the fact that he's bigger than everyone else(except Ant Man when he grows).
No it didn't? In the original Avengers, he was wrestling with keeping the monster under control. He doesn't trust himself. In IW, he's struggling with trauma and is unable to even get Hulk going. It's almost the opposite problem. Having the solution reveal itself at a crucial time isn't a retread: it's just good writing.
And it doesn't have to actuate in the same way either. Maybe he learns to bring him out not to fight, but to do the all-important snap. Realises Hulk doesn't have to only be a force for violence but a source of healing. And that's a seamless transition into being the intelligent, articulate Hulk we see in Endgame. He's now more than just a brute and they're working in harmony.
But it's gotta be something. I didn't write the setup in IW. They've clearly established a problem that's promptly dropped for the sequel. There's got to be something, some kind of payoff there. Or it shouldn't have been in IW at all.
And it doesn't have to actuate in the same way either. Maybe he learns to bring him out not to fight, but to do the all-important snap. Realises Hulk doesn't have to only be a force for violence but a source of healing. And that's a seamless transition into being the intelligent, articulate Hulk we see in Endgame. He's now more than just a brute and they're working in harmony.
But it's gotta be something. I didn't write the setup in IW. They've clearly established a problem that's promptly dropped for the sequel. There's got to be something, some kind of payoff there. Or it shouldn't have been in IW at all.
I mean, yeah? The latest Hulk story is more akin to a horror story. I can't really elaborate without spoiling certain aspects, but it's really good.
Planet Hulk was the turning point where Hulk started getting more showcase, with the increasing powers. In World War Hulk, he fought the Sentry, and that's definitely someone who was powerful enough to stand up to him.
Hulk is MVP material after Endgame.
Like we really needed a Prof Hulk scene.
He wore the Gauntlet, snapped, and survived.
Dumb brute Hulk would probably destroy it and fuck the universe twice over. I did expect a different more predictable kind of payoff but I like what we got instead.
He wore the Gauntlet, snapped, and survived.
Dumb brute Hulk would probably destroy it and fuck the universe twice over. I did expect a different more predictable kind of payoff but I like what we got instead.
Speaking of WWH, have they ever had Ghost Rider actually follow through and fight him, all out? My favorite bit in WWH was when GR shows up and Dr Strange freaks out, but then GR judges Hulk is justified, and rides off. I always wanted that fight.
Admittedly I don't know much about Guardians of the Galaxy, but isn't Drax basically just a pissed off dude?
I mean, granted, Hulk is also "just" a "pissed off" "dude", but he's sort of the absurdly overwrought apex of those character traits, whereas Drax seems like he's somewhere between Old Man Logan and Frank Castle on the scale of "dudes who are very pissed off".
You've missed the point completely. The character has grown.
He isn't interested in punching and smashing to solve problems anymore. He is still incredibly powerful, as evidenced by him surviving after using the infinity stones but he is also the emotional heart of the team now.
Do you guys just not want any character development? It's pretty sad to reduce these characters to power levels after all we've seen.
Him literally mastering his Hulk side led up to that moment. Not a lot of characters have as much scene stealing moments as Hulk in Avengers and Thor Ragnarok.
In Age of Ultron, he has a big fight with the Hulkbuster armor and loses.
In Thor Ragnarok, he gets beaten by Thor. The Grandmaster had to incapacitate Thor because Hulk was about to lose.
In his fight with Fenrir, he gets his ass knocked around the entire fight and still doesn't win. He only gets by pure luck because Fenrir fell off the cliff while Hulk managed to grab a piece of rock.
In the beginning of Infinity War, he gets combo'd by Thanos and is KO the rest of the film.
Hulk hasn't had a single win since he tossed Loki around like a rag doll in The Avengers. It really sucks because he was a force to be reckoned with in The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers.
Even in the Avengers, Thor was the one left standing when things were most dire and he took a knife to the gut prior. The hulk was contained, full stop.
I don't think so, but I could be wrong. But yeah, that would be an awesome fight.
Ghost Rider, Hulk and Silver Surfer are my three favorite Marvel characters, so I'm always down to seeing more of them.
It just doesn't really seem like it would accomplish anything in the narrative. Hulk's only solution to things is smashing. Smashing wasn't going to save the universe.
His fight with Abomination was fucking awesome. NortonHulk was amazing. Hulk felt nerfed regardless in MCU. But given taking inspiration from Ultimate universe, everyone seemed nerf.
I was not a fan of Professor Hulk at all. Him not switching to savage Hulk persona during final battle was such a waste.
The biggest win that Hulk could have
The Hulk plotline setup in Infinity War is one of conflict between Banner and Hulk. Banner needs Hulk's help and Hulk refuses. This is such fertile ground, the plot almost writes itself. Yet they opted to do it offscreen... we were left hanging with that plot thread and the conflict was resolved without us getting to see how. Hulk getting to snap, while cool, is not closure for the seeds planted in Infinity War.
Ghost Rider is under-estimated and under-appreciated. This guy, back in the cartoons, single-handedly drove back Galactus by Penance Stare, which mentally blasts you with all the actions you regret.
All the big bads in the MU, Dr Doom, Galactus, Thanos, Magneto, they all have some part of them that regrets something they've done. Dr Doom I think may be the only one that could stand that Stare but he's basically broken in that respect, he can't allow himself to regret anything.
All the others, I think would break. Anyone remotely heroic (even part time like Hulk) I think would just collapse into a fetal position.
Well, with Hulk, there is the multiple personality aspect to him. That's actually a plot point with the latest Immortal Hulk arc. There are personalities that feel regret, there's also some that don't.
It's all variable. But I get what you're saying. Ghost Rider can't be physically destroyed IIRC, so I'm not even sure what Hulk can do to him. Then again, Hulk broke Dr. Strange's hands when he tried using magic against, so who knows, lol.
If writers want Hulk to do the impossible, they just write him to do it, logic be damned.
I'm guessing it's because he doesn't get his own films with bad guys to beat. Pretty damn annoying too. Hulk and Banner are interesting characters when you explore their relationship with one another.
Hulk is easily one of the best parts of Ultron as well. Banner also deserves credit for Hulkbuster barely beating Hulk since he helped Tony create it. Hulk is a major liability to the team due to the fact he's so volatile and unpredictable. That alone demands the Avengers respect. After getting his shit tossed by Thanos I can see why they explored that whole "I'm not just a senseless get out of jail free card whenever you need to smash shit" route.
Given Thor and Hulk's arcs in Endgame, I want them to take more chances like these.
Will totally agree that him not getting a single smack at Thanos in Endgame was odd as fuck though. He deserves that much and is still one of the more powerful Avengers. One arm or not he should've been in that fight.
Your post makes no sense.
I'm sure the Ancient One could do that to any of the Marvel protags in similar circumstances.
Who said me or anyone doesn't? I like Hulk in EG, I just want him to be more powerful on top of that.
Speaking of jobbers, how about Spiderman? Yeah I get that he's still young and learning but this is going to be the 7th Spiderman film now. Can they speed up his development as a fighter just a little more? He was beaten by Cap in Civil War and Quill is able to get a hold of him and hold him at gun point in IW. As for his fight with Cap, I get it, despite his physical advantageous he was inexperienced and Cap is one of the greatest. I can accept that.
I thought he would see his development as a fighter in his own movie. But it was more about personal growth. He nearly loses to a regular guy with some tech(Shocker) and then gets handled very easily by Vulture. No comeback no nothing, he just survived and lucked out that Vulture damaged his own equipment so much that he couldn't escape.
I don't expect Marvel to push Spiderman to a leadership role or one of the front man of the MCU because the rights belong to Sony but I hope they really show some growth in his ability to deal with more powerful threats on his own.
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He's still early in the game. FFH should be the movie where we see him confident and in control. Part of Spider-Man's character is to watch him grow. He's only had one movie
No but it would look so cool to see in motion just once like a big moment
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No, he uppercut her off Asgard. The suplex was earlier in the fight
Endgame
Professor Hulk would have gotten murdered by Thanos in a fight. Regular Hulk got his ass beat, and he's much less violent or skilled in a fight then he is due to Banner being in the driver's seat.
Because it's boring and wouldn't work so well against villains in his weight class who know what they're doing. The others can add variety to their moves since they're not idiots.
So many people making and watching fan videos about Hulk beating Thanos have to wipe away harsh tears at the end of Endgame. They don't care about the characters of Banner vs the monster and just want to live vicariously through a bully for the good guys.
No fools, Hulk really got his ass beat and it has to be accepted.
I can watch this all day.
