Hulk couldn't even hold his grasp on Thanos, yet Cap is able to overpower Thanos in a "death grip" like scenario, twice. Hulk is a buster in these movies.
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Hulk has been an absolute jobber in the MCU since the first Avengers film
- Thread starter Bor Gullet
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Sure he wasn't the hero but the other heroes turned their back on Hulk and banish him, which is a shitty thing to do, considering they are supposed to be his allies / friends.
Audiences wouldn't turn on Hulk if it was done right. Look at Civil War, people didn't suddenly turn on these characters just because they were fighting each other.
They could still make both sides sympathetic, while also doing some questionable things.
Hulk isn't a master fighter like Cap is, and in their first meeting Cap got laid out in one punch. There is no shame in losing to Thanos.
True.
I'm not sure he's a jobber, but he's constantly sidelined.
He's the quintessential "this character's entire point is how powerful and unstoppable he is, so he's boring and he needs not to be there most of the time".
How the MCU treated Hulk is why I'm worried about Carol.
He's the quintessential "this character's entire point is how powerful and unstoppable he is, so he's boring and he needs not to be there most of the time".
How the MCU treated Hulk is why I'm worried about Carol.
Carol is more versatile then Hulk is, both in power and personality.
This iteration of Hulk was by far my favorite but he should have been
fighting Thanos in that last scene instead of Capt Marvel
I am inevitable
and I am (Spoilers) tops it.
Or the hammer moment of Endgame.
I wouldn't really bet on that. Hulk has a fantastic premise for character building that the MCU refused to touch on.
But if your point is "Carol can be better used in drama and dialogue because she's an actual, intelligent human being and not a screaming monster", that's all right. I'm talking about how she'll be used in the story. If you think about it, after the first Avengers, the only ensamble movie where Hulk is actually allowed to engage an high profile opponent (or even the main villain) is IW. He does punch an already defeated Ultron, but that's that.
Man, that would be unthinkable with the current power levelsGive me this and I'll be happy.
Sure, but they ed to make him more versatile in savage mode, and I think it worked in Endgame by giving him more to do than being punchy guy.
Endgame isn't really a good example as they didn't have the proper set up to utilise her, as they didn't know her full personality (her film was in production at the time) and they wanted other characters to have the spotlight. They didn't have this issue with Dr. Strange as he was a main character with IW, and his origin had been set up before hand. Next time they should have less restrictions.
Hulk is much weaker than he is in comics, Carol is much stronger.
Let's not forget that Tony somewhat holds up to Carol in Civil War 2. In the movies, he'd be annihilated in a second.
Completely agree, this was an Avengers story so give that task to an Avenger.
I know some people say that Hulk has his big moments in Endgame, with the reconciliation with Banner, and undoing the Snap. I get that, but the first happened off screen, and the second wasn't really an adrenaline-pumping moment. I mean, we all love those big action beats in movies, Cap with Mjolnir, Scarlet Witch with the TK assault on Thanos, Captain Marvel shattering the enemy ship. Hulk is a character that I think deserved his own action moment.
Still a great movie though
I know some people say that Hulk has his big moments in Endgame, with the reconciliation with Banner, and undoing the Snap. I get that, but the first happened off screen, and the second wasn't really an adrenaline-pumping moment. I mean, we all love those big action beats in movies, Cap with Mjolnir, Scarlet Witch with the TK assault on Thanos, Captain Marvel shattering the enemy ship. Hulk is a character that I think deserved his own action moment.
Still a great movie though
Yup. Imagine if
when Thanos bumps Capt Marvel it's Hulk instead and he just stands there and doesn't move and Thanos is shook?
I wouldn't want to take anything away from Capt Marvel, I just wanted to cheer for Hulk getting some revenge shots in, like I cheered for Cap with Mjolnir, and I cheered for Wanda taking Thanos apart (note: I'm a Brit and all my cheering was strictly internal so as not to disturb other cinema goers)
Still, like a couple of other people mentioned, Immortal Hulk is a great comics read right now, really goes back to the horror / Jekyll and Hyde roots of the character.
Also to be fair Banner designed the Hulkbuster with Tony to beat Hulk, so it makes sense that it can.
I agree though, Hulk needed more moments to show off. It was great to see how scared people were of him in Avengers but then that pure strength just becomes a joke.
I agree though, Hulk needed more moments to show off. It was great to see how scared people were of him in Avengers but then that pure strength just becomes a joke.
It's the problem of having solo Hulk films sabotaged by the Universal contract.
Whether portrayed as a hero or villain, you can't let Hulk overpower everything in a team-up movie.
His character exploration is also limited when he can't be the central character.
Whether portrayed as a hero or villain, you can't let Hulk overpower everything in a team-up movie.
His character exploration is also limited when he can't be the central character.
Well the title of the thread is about Hulk AFTER the first Avengers Movie and the OP specifically states that Hulk has been a jobber SINCE he beat up Loki, so I don't think we are ignoring it.
Carol was on top of Hulk pounding away until he smacks her into to space. It was a part a Avengers/New Avengers storyline a couple years back.
I'm very happy with what they did with him in endgame. The execution works because most of the avengers (and audience) don't see Hulk as more than a brute, so when his change happens, it's jarring because you're forced to realize that the Hulk is actually more than a fighter and there's an actual personality there that's been taken for granted
I mean isn't the Hulk kind of impossible to plausibly put on screen? Can't he be killed only by throwing him into a star or something?
Either way, every MCU hero is kind of a let down. Shouldn't a handful of them been able to take Thanos down solo if we went by comic feat strength?
edit: my point was, nerd Hulk is a good compromise since it tones down his strength and lets him be a member of the team
Either way, every MCU hero is kind of a let down. Shouldn't a handful of them been able to take Thanos down solo if we went by comic feat strength?
edit: my point was, nerd Hulk is a good compromise since it tones down his strength and lets him be a member of the team
While I agree with you on that, I don't think I was as bothered because they gave him more depth in other ways. But it would have been rad to see that rematch
So we're just moving the goalposts of Hulk's active role in the MCU.
In the movies Drax does seem to be just a pissed off dude, in the comics he is supposed to be Thanos's equal and opposite as an avatar of life. Comic Drax once killed Thanos by punching through his back and ripping out Thanos's heart.
I don't have an issue with it. They have to find some type of equilibrium with these characters and avoid turning them all into deus ex machinas. Hulk, like most of the characters, wins some and loses some. I adore him in Endgame and he does
bring back half the universe
I understand why they didn't give Hulk the easy wins, but I wish they didn't just show him getting beat down all the time. There are other ways to take him out of the fight.
We discussed it a bit in the Endgame spoiler thread, but there were actually toys and stuff made of this exact thing happening for IW.
People thought it was a legit spoiler and then it just never happened.
That's insane! I wonder how this happened.We discussed it a bit in the Endgame spoiler thread, but there were actually toys and stuff made of this exact thing happening for IW.
People thought it was a legit spoiler and then it just never happened.
Hulk deserved better, I'm with OP they have to redeem the character after developing him for 3+ straight films, we all know about his control issues, now straight-up beat-downs need to happen. I'll never get over the fact that the Hulk didn't get to bash the main villains head into the ground, would have been way more memorable than what we got.
A jobber wouldn't have been able to bring back those who were wiped away.
Though truth be told Hulk arc is very difficult to do due to Universal holding the distribution rights, so Hulk currently is sharing his screen time with others and he gets the short end of the stick.
Not until Disney/Marvel and Universal come together and work out a deal on the distribution rights, but what happened with Fox and Sony. I would say it's only a matter of time, however will it matter by the time that happens?
I am sorry what? Captain Marvel was not a jobber at all.
Though truth be told Hulk arc is very difficult to do due to Universal holding the distribution rights, so Hulk currently is sharing his screen time with others and he gets the short end of the stick.
Not until Disney/Marvel and Universal come together and work out a deal on the distribution rights, but what happened with Fox and Sony. I would say it's only a matter of time, however will it matter by the time that happens?
I am sorry what? Captain Marvel was not a jobber at all.
No, the thread title and original post set the goal posts and they haven't been moved since then.
Like it has been said, Hulk kinda has to be a jobber when it's the Captain American and Iron Man show if anything. That and the Superman effect where you have to tone him down otherwise he just beats everyone.
To that end, It wouldn't shock me if they nerf Carol a bit too going forward because she's already far and away the most powerful hero in the MCU. Well, outside of Doctor Strange anyway but I got the impression that his bullshit is reserved for an entirely different kind of threat.
To that end, It wouldn't shock me if they nerf Carol a bit too going forward because she's already far and away the most powerful hero in the MCU. Well, outside of Doctor Strange anyway but I got the impression that his bullshit is reserved for an entirely different kind of threat.
Yeah that was a disappointment. I was waiting for that since Infinity War, it would have been such a huge hype moment, and instead they went with what they went with and instead of a huge hype moment we got a shitty gag in a diner.
Yeah but that's different.
Wolverine sucks.
I love that moment so much.
there are interviews with the writer why it didn't have. smart Hulk supposed to happened in IW, but they later changed it because they feel it's a moment of triumph for Hulk while the end of IW supposed to be a down moment for everyone. so they changed it. they also wrote a scene in EG about Hulk merging with Banner in a lab, but later changed to diner scene where Hulk explain it to us while Scott just looks confusedWe discussed it a bit in the Endgame spoiler thread, but there were actually toys and stuff made of this exact thing happening for IW.
People thought it was a legit spoiler and then it just never happened.