I don't know which term I like better, techno-communism or luxury communism.
Which sounds better?
Should just call it technoism, doesn't have the same stigma communism and socialism. Granted it somewhat has been earned.
I don't know which term I like better, techno-communism or luxury communism.
Which sounds better?
The US is a representative democracy; a small group of people running things is kind of the point.
Not with the gerrymandering tho. It ain't representing a bunch of people when they also try to pushing voting regulations on certain types of people (poor and PoC).The US is a representative democracy; a small group of people running things is kind of the point.
Again, almost all specific political subreddits ban dissenting opinions, it's a sitewide problem.
I would generally take umbrage with people complaining about Socialism.
But I realize that most of you are just referring to Stalinism when you talk about Socialism/Communism, so when I keep that in mind, then hey, we don't disagree.
To be fair we haven't achieved true theoretical capitalism either. All governments, including the US spend well over half of their annual budgets on its own people and have an income tax system.
The state is also involved on large swathes of the market.
I think they have a name for that.
Should just call it technoism, doesn't have the same stigma communism and socialism. Granted somewhat been earned.
What are these European countries that have it figured out OP?
Yeah, you are describing the Nordic Model.
Arguably the most successful governmental model devised thus far.
It's not. Lobbies and big business, people who are in no elected , are the ones pulling all the strings. People have very little power.The US is a representative democracy; a small group of people running things is kind of the point.
Stateless communism is incredibly dumb. Communism can be fully implemented within a representative democracy.
The important part is that it shuts down those fucking millenials.What a lame meme: this is a strawman. No one (bla bla minor exceptions) claims that these regimes did not exist or that they were bad. Many people do still believe that socialism or communism in one form or another offers better answers to modern societal problems than even a regulated capitalism. It's not about some kind of revisionist agenda...
There are plenty of valid criticism of communism but that meme is dumb. Stuff like that happening, happened because those regimes where authoritarian, not because they were communist. Communism is an economic model. Stuff like your family being abducted, could (and does) happen just as frequently in capitalist societies, but people do not associated those as being inherent to capitalism.
I'm talking about real world examples of communism. Not that theoretical nonsense.A stateless moneyless society where workers control the means of production needs an authoritarian government to work?
What are these European countries that have it figured out OP?
I'd like to continue this conversation if you want to take this to PM's since I still don't know what Anti-Islam rhetoric you are talking about. I didn't report you either. I'm less concerned that it was said and more concerned where it came from.Okay yeah it was you because we were having a similar argument. But I got a warning for even bringing this up so I guess uh let's just drop the subject, sorry I mentioned it everyone
No they aren't. You're rationalizing what they are doing as that, but what's actually going on is people are essentializing Stalinism not only to Socialism but to any serious critique of Capitalism. It's part of why discussion on the topic is generally meaningless with 99% of people.
I had a Romanian teacher and a Venezuelan coworker and both said that Mexico was paradise compared to those countries.Actually I work with people who lived in communist Russia and it's pretty split. The issues they had were religious not in economic issues. They had food. A job. Housing. In ways it was better
Which is why the "We have not achieved true Communism!" argument is so laughable.
You are right that the authoritarian communist institutions had those problems. I think some of those who identify as modern socialists/communists are careful not to take away the agency of those who suffered under those conditions.
I think the goal is to have discussion on what systems/institutions work and don't work, lessons we can learn from those systems, and ways we can be better.
The USSR, Communist China, and North Vietnam are completely flawed and inhumane, you are right.
But the American capitalistic institutions has its own sins that I listed in a post above (e.g. African slavery, Native American genocide, colonialism abroad i.e. Filipinos) which are still present (today: modern for-profit prison system which indiscriminately imprisons African Americans, gentrification, wage inequality).
I think some people are realizing that our capitalistic society is flawed too and while we can say that others may have it worse and thus we shouldn't change, I don't think that's a good path to follow.
I'm talking about real world examples of communism. Not that theoretical nonsense.
I prefer "We coming for that toothbrush communism".I don't know which term I like better, techno-communism or luxury communism.
Which sounds better?
The only real world examples of communism are from the hunter gatherer days
Of course, but trying to pin this as a "aha, people who like communism are never open to dissenting views!" thing is silly, because you're only focusing on one (bad) site. And it isn't specific to the communist community on that site. I say this as someone who doesn't even support communism outside of a utopian theoretical dream world.It's a sitewide problem because these communities are choosing to do it. They're still responsible for their own choices.
Was this when the premiere communist state artificially induced a famine in one of its subject nations that killed between 7 and 10 million people, an act which is now recognized as a genocide? Or was it when that same state embarked on a campaign of repression and mass executions of its own officers where over a million people were murdered or given fatal injuries during their captivity? Are we forgetting about those 1930s?People bashing communism all the time keep forgetting about the 1930s
i agree with this and ill add also overall a fight for oligarchies. etc. We a heading back to times of where we had Rockefeller owning every damn thing and pretty much running stuff until people started re-regulating wealth accumulation etc.
That might be a better idea, especially considering the knee-jerk reactions in this thread to even the word.Should just call it technoism, doesn't have the same stigma communism and socialism. Granted it somewhat has been earned.
Communism isn't a rigid ideology. Versions of communism are compatible with the idea of a state.
Its usually also repeated after someone shares their own personal anecdote about comnunist systems and or an obvious failing of attempts at communism is pointed out.
Shows a complete lack of empathy and a defensiveness towards a system of government and economy that is largely discredited .
OH SO YOU WANT US TO GO BACK TO PRIMITIVE SUBSISTENCE LIVING EH, POL POT?
yeah i agree we probally are heading to another great depression. When more and more Americans stop paying their debts etc its gonna be a crazy time.We didn't start doing that though until after it was too late to avoid suffering and bloodshed. I'm not exactly optimistic that we're wise enough to avoid making the same mistake by dragging our feet for too long.
- Communists who constantly refer to "late stage capitalism" when the last truly major communist nation collapsed nearly 30 years ago while Capitalism keeps on ticking.
OH SO YOU WANT US TO GO BACK TO PRIMITIVE SUBSISTENCE LIVING EH, POL POT?
people dont have jobs because technology has reached a point of efficiency that we overproduce at underemployment. this is a problem under capitalism but not under socialism, where people could actually work for the advancement of society instead of making useless commodities on the assembly line
Was this when the premiere communist state artificially induced a famine in one of its subject nations that killed between 7 and 10 million people, an act which is now recognized as a genocide? Or was it when that same state embarked on a campaign of repression and mass executions of its own officers where over a million people were murdered or given fatal injuries during their captivity? Are we forgetting about those 1930s?
It's not. Lobbies and big business, people who are in no elected , are the ones pulling all the strings. People have very little power.
I hope you're not talking about Venezuela.Imagine looking at the state of the world in 2018 and thinking that capitalism "keeps on ticking"
Also I mean if you want to blame the failures of socialism in South America on communist ideology and not very direct and deliberate meddling from western countries, that's your prerogative I guess.
You know I was fucking around right? It was a TERF joke.Fuck Tankies and especially fuck them if they want to paint their garbage politics as anything remotely resembling minority oppression. Bunch of White Boy Cultural Appropriating Rachel Dolezals.
I agree because even doing a simple thought exercise would mean the logical conclusion would lead to a convergence where eventually all wealth would belong to one individual, yeah...not good.I personally believe that our current economic system can't last forever. Capitalism currently piles riches into a few people's hands and enslaves everyone else. The existence of countries (as we currently know them) and private property, IMHO, is one of those things that will stop existing in the future, if we are ever to subsist as one species.
That said, current communism (in any of its forms) is hilariously inept. I guess these guys believe the star trek economy is right around the corner. Take LateStageCapitalism as it is: A themed meme site.
Why do you prefer this model?
Why do you like this best?
And?
Stalinists purposefully stamped out any alternative interpretation to Socialism and this is the result of it.
yeah i don't know why anyone would even bother trying to debate politics on reddit, there's a reason why subreddits like The_Donald thrive thereI don't understand how you can discuss anything in a community designed to be an echo chamber. What about debating the merits of socialism vs communism? Does that send you to the gulag too?
This board is so leftist that communism is considered alt right. We have reached new levels of wokeness today
I don't understand how you can discuss anything in a community designed to be an echo chamber. What about debating the merits of socialism vs communism? Does that send you to the gulag too?
I'm trying to think of something bad done by a capitalist state in the 1930s but I can't think of anything, someone help me out please
Its as if its not a realistic economic system or something.The only real world examples of communism are from the hunter gatherer days
What is it with these white, alt-right 20 somethings that they adore communism? Just what is the connection? It is so strange to me.
I've only seen this pop up in the last five years. I thought it was just memes, but these memes seems to have evolved into real life.
A part of me suspects these russian think tanks/bots/propaganda agencies have somehow managed to create this movement.
Nothing changes much even if people got vote. Gerrymandering and voter surpression are quasi-fascist tactics to keep the influence of the people at a minimum.People would have more power if they voted. Special interests absolutely have too much power, but they got a lot of it because people got lazy/voted for the GOP.
it's not a form of government. It's a economic system.Its as if its not a realistic form of government or something.