Absolutely agree with you 1000%, OP. You represent 99.99% of the console playerpool (who are not here, nor do they post anywhere online) when you say this.
The ONLY group of people who benefit from PC/Console crossplay are players on PC. They leech the console userbase and survive their otherwise soon-to-be-dead game from launch (like they usually do for "most" new AAA games and indies), thanks to the influx of console players.
Console playerbase gets ZERO advantage from PC. It's a one way street. If PC wants crossplay from consoles, the BARE MINIMUM requirement to even consider for crossplay (yet, still not allowed for genre like shooters) should be bringing in equal number of players as much as consoles, not leeching from them and pretending to be "increasing the player population" if all you're bringing in are 17 players on PC and 170,000 on console. 17 players is not "increasing the population", you're leeching them to stay alive on yours and pretending to present a lie in an argument, to be a significant part of contributing to help the playerbase grow, when being merely a hair strand.
Battlefield is a traditional PC franchise (one that sells multiple folds on consoles though) that can stand on it's own on PC for it's survival in MP, but generally (on average) the ratio is as such.
Games made by Valve/Blizzard + viral games which have evolved through mods and favorites of stream monsters (DayZ, PUBG, Fortnite etc.), F2P titles that have stellar support and titles which have a PC centric legacy (like Battlefield, SIMS, Football manager etc) will always have a sustainable playerbase/DAU/MAU count on PC. The rest of the existing and upcoming "PAID" titles suffer the same fate they have in the past - die within days, if not, weeks within launch, when they thrive on console. It's been happening for decades. It's nothing new.
This new practice of crossplay this past generation, has all these entitled PC brats, demanding consoles be open to crossplay with them and send death threats to console manufacturers if they don't. The console manufacturers are merely helping your platform, out of pity of your platform dying. They don't owe you shit. Their platform. THEIR RULES. You don't get to make demands to people to help you. You "ask", nicely. They deny, for ANY reason.
Your (PC player) voice is IRRELEVANT to console players or the manufacturer. In fact, PC crossplay brings in significant disadvantages (apart from the IRREFUTABLE HARDWARE ADVANTAGES that PC has over consoles, even the new consoles, that makes them laughable as platforms) and one of the main ones is aggressive aim assist/bullet magnetism. Take titles like CoD, from 2019's MW (and Warzone) and the skill ceiling of the already low console version (due to the limits of the turn speed of a controller analog stick and it's deadzones) of CoD's are even lowered by these techniques, all to please a handful of special snowflakes on PC who don't have players to play with, and so that these devs could attract those handful of PC players and monetize them.
ResetEra is a primarily a privileged, ELITIST PC Gaming forum, who happen to have consoles as their secondary platform or leftover boxes used for exclusives. If you voice your opinions here as a primarily console only player, you will be insulted with lies, your skill in videogames and disingenuous trash that you haven't said, implied or be flooded with social media shenanigans, like they usually do. Be prepared for death threats for starting this thread, as you should, from these "gAmErZ rIzE uP!!!" kind.
Crossplay SHOULD ALWAYS BE ONLY BETWEEN CONSOLES, period. PC crossplay with consoles, should not even exist, IN ANY GENRE, (particularly fighting games and shooters, going forward into this generation) if it does, it should ALWAYS BE OPT-IN. I cannot even imagine what would happen in the age of HFR fighting games where their game logic runs at 120FPS. Though I don't believe (or I'm not sure) that Samurai Shodown's recent update for the XSX and PC (EGS) runs it's logic at 120FPS, the trend for future FG's is inevitable. Majors will start having 120FPS as "tournament settings".
And like clockwork, the PC warriors flood the thread with disingenuous bad faith arguments in the lines of "oH nOeZ b-B-b-BuT wHaT bOuT mUh fReNz tHo!!!" to hide the real reason why they WANT crossplay - USUAL LOW SALES = USUAL LOW ACTIVE PLAYERBASE. All of a sudden console players are now "friends". How convenient. Ask your playerbase to BUY THE GAME in the millions like console players (not in the hundreds), instead of crossplay begging in a console thread, dear trolls.
By default, Console Crossplay should be forced, no arguments there from the OP and PC should not even be considered. Give them an inch, they take a mile. No need for ANY explanation. They don't own the console platform, nor do the developers/publishers.
Devs take console manufacturers for granted and do it because they have forums like ERA and 4CHAN on their side to push the PC crossplay propaganda, or they will cause another Fortnite situation where SONY's stocks dropped following media uproar on SONY blocking Cross-progression and Crossplay (CITATION NEEDED ON WHETHER THIS WAS THE DIRECT REASON FOR THE DROP), so they (devs/pubs) think they can continue this forced PC crossplay cancer, down the throats of console consumers without any backlash because most console players don't even use forums/message boards or most forms of social media, to pretend that they took their opinions in.
They (the devs) know for a fact that, if they leave crossplay on, the vast majority of the console players (IN ALL GAMES ACROSS ALL GENRE) won't turn it off or even go into the settings for starters. It's precisely the reason, all these PC trolls are wanting forced PC crossplay by default or "opt-out crossplay" while they throw their bad faith "iTz aN oPtIoN bRo!!!" arguments. Having console-only crossplay by default, and PC as "opt-in" is an "OPTION" too.
The developers want to use the console playerpool as guinea pigs to serve their ambitions (player engagement = monetization opportunities) on expanding the PC base, as they're guaranteed that their game won't die on PC if they crossplay with consoles. They will lie to your face like it's tuesday, on how all the versions are "equal".
SONY/MSFT/NTDO should force the 3RD party developers to crossplay ONLY BETWEEN CONSOLES, period. Don't ever consider PC. This is the ONLY solution. Console maker's priority SHOULD ALWAYS be on their own console playerbase, especially in 3RD party games. The console manufacturers get ZERO REVENUE from 3RD party titles sold on PC, and even if they do in some miraculous circumstance such as the Xbox Play Anywhere initiative, it's not the Xbox Console Player's problem. If the PC population dies, like they usually do, they die. It's THEIR problem. Not console's.
CONSOLE-ONLY CROSSPLAY is the ONLY future of crossplay, whether PC gamers like it or they don't. It's not their call. It's call of the rightful owner of the console who spent their hard earned money on their boxes and pays a yearly sub fee to play exclusively with other console players, or the console manufacturer, who gets 3RD party royalty from the pubs who publish their software on their platform, that get to make the final decision.
PC players are merely spectators in the issue of crossplay. Your opinions are INVALID for console hardware and console manufacturer's 3RD party royalty income, your spent $0 on. Check your feelings, take the L and jog on.
