I like the approach of native first, take on your games on the go via cloud streaming way more than what Google tries to push.
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I hate that Microsoft and Sony aren't pushing cloud streaming like google
- Thread starter BlueManifest
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A little bit early to say that. Next gen is around the corner.
Also with what Stadia has to offer at the moment, no thanks.
Also with what Stadia has to offer at the moment, no thanks.
And the country you live in.
yup, all of this.
Edit: my shitty 720p tv served me well until I replaced it this year lol
With the advent of Microsoft Flight Simulator, I'm sure Microsoft will be pushing streaming by the time it comes out. It's the perfect game to sell streaming. The local version will require powerful hardware and a very fast internet connection. The online version will only require a very fast internet connection. On top of that, input lag is not really a concern for a flight sim.
And I hate you for that. I'm the oposite. I'm kidding I'm not going to hate you just the service.
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Microsoft should offer all their games on streaming new and old
Well--fortunately or unfortunately--that's now how any of this works lol.
I think we're probably 3-4 years from it being viable for the average consumer?
I'm with you on believing in streaming, but you're being remarkably glib about one of the biggest gaming platform holders completely up-ending their business model. Microsoft (and Sony) will come out with compelling streaming / subscription packages in the next few years, but you're going to need to hold your horses.
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I want ps now and xcloud to offer what stadia is offering in addition to their consoles
Well, sorry. Stadia's "buy individual games from a service so you can stream them" model isn't going to be copied by anyone. It's terrible.
Good. I have zero desire to stream my games with the current technology and network infrastructure. Miss me with that until 2030 when we get zero latency 4K60 with HDR and 5.1 PCM sound.
That's probably about right, depending on the region and the type of infrastructure we're talking about. Streaming 4K/60fps at home should be viable for a good portion of people in Europe and Asia in that timeframe, but I'm pretty dubious about the 5G roll-out as well as doubting how well that technology will lend itself to stable connections as devices move between access points.
I'm also not all that optimistic that the US will sort out its ISP / data cap quagmire in the next few years. The problems over there seem seriously entrenched.
Realistically, as viable as streaming already is for some people (me included) I think we're looking at the tail-end of the next hardware generation before it's really pushed as a mainstream option. In the longer term, though, I absolutely see physical hardware becoming the enthusiast option the way 4K BluRay players are today.
Call me a crazy futurist, but I believe that my kids (who are very young) will probably never own a car or a game console, but they'll still be able to enjoy personal travel and play games.
I for one am happy they arent. I dont think we are at the point where streaming is super viable for large amounts of people
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It's the only way you can offer new games on a streaming service instead of just old game's
or make the sub 30$ which I don't want
They are going to offer the same. Microsoft will push xCloud when it's ready. You buy an xCloud sub and you can then play your digital games via the cloud.
They are going to push it heavily when it's close to release and is released, just like Game Pass.
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It doesn't have to viable for large amounts of people for people that can use it already
it would cost Sony practically nothing to offer new games for sale on ps now, actually they would probably sell more that way
Then why would they do it? It's neither easy to build nor cheap for the service provider.
I highly doubt that there are a lot of people with a good connection AND the desire to buy games for streaming at the full price... sounds more like a niche
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Don't know what you mean why would they do it they are already doing it people can use ps now right now, Sony just isn't putting new games on it by choice
That doesn't answer the question. It has to choose to present the actual outcome of your button press when you press the button. That button press must still be communicated and processed. There's no avoiding it.
And as has been stated above, the complexity of rendering all possibilities ahead of time quickly spirals into astronomical levels of computation unless you're playing a very simple game.
So they either spend insane resources on the solution or you will experience rollback-like weirdness while you play your single player game. The latter of which would absolutely destroy the immersion and quality of experience of your maxed graphics/4K/60fps AAA game.
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It's processed before you press so that there is no lag when you do press it
As others have said they will show more as we near next gen. MS have already said they are going to work on iOS. xCloud is entering beta soon so they are rolling out slowly but they have already said that they want it on as many devices as possible.
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Well Sony has had like 5 years to offer new PS4 games for sale on ps now and they haven't done it, they could do it right now
What's the travel time of your button press to their server and is it equal or faster than a home console solution?
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No travel time, just pressing all buttons for you ahead of time before you do so that they are ready to be pressed by you
kinda like putting the buttons in a que line of button presses
like they could have 10 A button presses ready to go then when you get near the end they could have another 10 presses ready
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Relatively a small amount of people actually care about this as this same argument was used against digital downloads yet the percentage rises every year. And your house must be a mess with all the CD's and DVDs everywhere
If the point is "not everything is available!" isn't that the plan for Xcloud? It will have every game they put out but not until the service fully launches, and it is simply an extra option alongside local hardware. What a weird thread
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It can be the main delivery for people that want it to be without replacing hardware
Yeah, right. Look at the analog stick in any controller you own. You can move it in 360 degrees, and you can move it just a bit or all the way out or anything in between. There are TWO of these sticks. Imagine you're playing Doom. It's not about pre-fetching a frame in where you shoot the gun, a frame in where you jump, and a frame in where you jump and shoot the gun. It would have to account for the possibility of the player moving either or both sticks in any direction and how far out the user moves the sticks. Oh and the user might press any combination of buttons at the same time as the sticks are moved in any direction. As soon as analog controls are brought to the table, there are literally million of possibilities for any given frame. And don't even get me started on how many possibilites there would be if you add gyro to the ecuation. A third analog input. It's impossible.
Maybe if you're willing to return to d-pad only, MAYBE stadia will be able to pre-fetch all possible inputs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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If Microsoft said that I missed it, I know Sony has had 5 years to put new PS4 game's on ps now and they still haven't done it
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The game behaves according to YOUR inputs, right? They can queue up a trillion different inputs, they still have to pick the right one WHICH CAN ONLY HAPPEN BY RECEIVING THE PLAYER'S ACTUAL BUTTON PRESS AND CHOOSING THE CORRECT OPTION FROM THE ARRAY OF POSSIBILITIES. Am I fucking crazy?
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They aren't picking which input, you are picking it, they just have it ready to be picked
remember this isn't at launch they said it's 1 - 2 years away
Ohhhh holy shit, it's The Plan? I didn't know it was The Plan. That changes everything! I believe in stadia now.
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Pretty much, even though I disagree that MS and Sony aren't pushing those services...the biggest difference is that Google is launching their service next month...Sony is now pushing their service better...and Microsoft is taking their time to get it to work (they are where Google was last October) before they launch. In the meantime...just use Google's service if they are providing the service you want. As long as crossplay continues to be a thing, there's no reason to not use the service if they providing what you want :).
Streaming is gonna be just like digital this coming gen.
Seeing as my wife was streaming 4K Netflix last night while I was testing xCloud...it was pretty much fine, granted I have gigabit internet but I have a lot of devices hooked up to it.
The input has to travel. That is all I have been saying and you keep acting like that's not true.
I can't tell which of us has no fucking idea what we're talking about.
At least where I live, if a drunk driver hits a pole and snaps 384-strand fiber cable, I'm not playing games until the splice is repatched by a dude on a ladder with his asscrack hanging out.
