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I regret to inform you that Dwight from The Office is posting transphobic memes (Up: Rainn apologizes)
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Hey, an actual apology where the person didn't act like they were the victim. That's nice to see.
I'm happy that Rainn apologized and also made mention of talking with trans friends to better educate himself on why he said what was wrong. More people need to shut up, listen, and learn when they do or say something that's wrong.
Fuck ups happen. He owned up to it, spoke to the people affected and apologized.
It's that easy. Good shit.
It's that easy. Good shit.
As usual, you may not want to read the replies to the apology. But yeah, good on him for owning up to it.
Unfortunately feels like such a rare thing when someone reacts to a situation like this not by doubling down and lashing out, but by reflecting, growing their understanding and improving themselves. I do genuinely love to see it happen. It's heartening, makes me feel happy and like there is some hope for humanity.
Good for Rainn. seemed like he was a pretty upstanding dude, glad that he had conversations with some of his trans friends that helped him out here.
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This isnt that hard
Good on him taking the time to learn more about something he didn't understand before
This is actually fucking incredible. I knew in the back of my mind that the biological differences between Male and Females aren't as wide as we are led to believe but I didn't know this was possible
This isnt that hard
Good on him taking the time to learn more about something he didn't understand before
This is actually fucking incredible. I knew in the back of my mind that the biological differences between Male and Females aren't as wide as we are led to believe but I didn't know this was possible
A solid apology and without doubling down first, which is certainly appreciated.
But hopefully next time people understand even generally good people can still say/do something shitty without it secretly being a well intentioned PSA or something. Them just being ignorant and then learning from it doesn't make it fine to begin with.
But hopefully next time people understand even generally good people can still say/do something shitty without it secretly being a well intentioned PSA or something. Them just being ignorant and then learning from it doesn't make it fine to begin with.
This is good. When you have a massive platform, you have more of a responsibility for your words. I hope that Rainn better considers his thoughts before posting them in the future.
Very glad he apologized, like I mentioned earlier, he should have never said something like that but based on his past actions he's clearly on the right side of being good people.
Christ just reading this thread from the start now is such a reminder how weak cis allyship goes. And this goes hand-in-hand with Rainn's knee-jerk comment that started it - because yeah he's a "progressive ally" but that doesn't mean he can't possibly hold gross perspectives against trans people anymore. It's not a binary switch to become an "ally" and all of a sudden you can do no wrong, as literally any trans person can tell you from having people in our lives who are yes for the most part supportive but very much still can show their asses through ignorance.
All the damn condescension going on about reading the tweet the way Rainns himself now confirms he did in fact mean when he originally posted it. "But oh no he's supportive he couldn't possibly be mean to trans people!" Congrats y'all were wrong, that's not how it works and people need to learn that already ffs. Same thing goes with racism fyi, just because you're not a klanner doesn't mean you can't still have racist impulses.
I'm happy with the apology, it's exactly what's needed but good god am I ever disappointed at all the other people leaping to his defense, as always celeb worship matters so much more than allyship.
All the damn condescension going on about reading the tweet the way Rainns himself now confirms he did in fact mean when he originally posted it. "But oh no he's supportive he couldn't possibly be mean to trans people!" Congrats y'all were wrong, that's not how it works and people need to learn that already ffs. Same thing goes with racism fyi, just because you're not a klanner doesn't mean you can't still have racist impulses.
I'm happy with the apology, it's exactly what's needed but good god am I ever disappointed at all the other people leaping to his defense, as always celeb worship matters so much more than allyship.
Sucks he meant it with malice, and I'm glad he figured it out. You don't have to get it perfect every time, being corrected and quickly apologizing to change it is good practice. Decoupling language is a long process and I think the more we're open to making mistakes and fixing it while reminding people it should be changed for inclusivity is an important needle to thread.
As a person who wanted to believe he didn't mean it the way he did, I feel like this is addressed to me, and I want to tell you it had nothing to do with my reverence for him as an actor or person. So yes, I was wrong, but I will not apologize for waiting to see what he meant or how he meant it before throwing him under the goddamn bus immediately without proper context and clarification. It's a tweet, we're on the internet, tone and intent are not so easy to discern and he had a good enough track record to at least see what he meant. Please do not belittle my own advocacy and efforts simply because I was wrong.
As a person who wanted to believe he didn't mean it the way he did, I feel like this is addressed to me, and I want to tell you it had nothing to do with my reverence for him as an actor or person. So yes, I was wrong, but I will not apologize for waiting to see what he meant or how he meant it before throwing him under the goddamn bus immediately without proper context and clarification. It's a tweet, we're on the internet, tone and intent are not so easy to discern and he had a good enough track record to at least see what he meant. Please do not belittle my own advocacy and efforts simply because I was wrong.
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Look at that. You can make a mistake out of ignorance and own up to it, learn from it and pledge to do better, and a mob of wild trans people won't come to your house and murder you. It's almost like people are just asking to be treated with dignity and not forcing anything on anyone else.
Glad he understands it was wrong and didnt just double down
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So you're mad because we wanted to wait for clarification instead of instantly crucifying him? :/
Amazing to make yourself the victim here, cool cool. I don't know who you even are but congrats.
I reiterate that cis allies are fucking useless.
Underline this statement from me right now.
You're literally just proving my point you can't do anything but get defensive and disregard actual trans concerns.
And your post, was it not volatile in nature? Was it not calling people in the thread such as myself out? Did you post simply just to post or did you want a response? Perhaps only one you were happy with? You threw stones.
Yeah I throw stones at weak-ass allyship. Transphobia is a fucking cancer tearing down our lives on the daily and I'm not just gonna let y'all pat yourselves on the back with an apology with no refection.
Glad he apologized. It's ok to make mistakes as long as you learn from them and don't repeat it. A lot of people don't know how to properly navigate these kinds of things.
They rightly called people out. You should listen tbh.
Absolutely right.
Do you think trans folks don't have a right to be annoyed with the condescension that happened here? If you weren't being an ass then you're not being targeted.
His apology was for tweeting out something that was adding to transphobic narratives.
Y'all need to learn to read.
I think there's a difference between folks saying "he can't be transphobic, he's progressive!" and folks saying huh, this seems out of character, let's see the follow-up. Both happened here for sure. But the latter is generative. It's part of how we get to better discourse.
He took ownership of his mistake and apologized for it.
Edit: You don't have to forgive anyone, but I try to give people the ability to grow and do better.
Genuine question - how did you arrive at that interpretation after reading his second tweet?
- He acknowledged that what he said was a mean comment/joke
- He spoke to trans friends to get clarity and education (this is good, no?)
- He clarified the impact (contributing to meanness and misinformation)
- He apologized
My apologies, I hadn't caught up on pages 4-6 and didn't know people were casting doubt like that. GuessMyUserName I see why you got upset, and in the context of the messages I missed there was some weak "allyship" going on, totally.
This was where I was coming from originally, I guess I just incorrectly assumed others were doing the latter but the thread took a turn.
Have not read his second tweet.
The one I read basically said that he was told by his Trans friends that what he wrote was wrong, and the rest was "I educated myself" spiel that goes with all apologies of this nature.
Glad he apologized and educated himself. It's sad a reaction like that is so rare. And thank you Kyuuji for that post, it's a necessary perspective we need to remind ourselves of when these situations come up.
Is it? I mean he said he talked to them to learn and understand what he did was wrong and apologized. I don't know what else he could have done. It'd probably be the first thing I'd do if I spoke out of ignorance and was called out on it. Everyone should talk to more trans people, why is he being shamed for this?
What second tweet? All I see is the by-the-numbers apology. Doesn't sound genuine to me.
We're talking about the same tweet. The first tweet was the bad one - the second one was the clarification.
Before I continue, I will say that I was someone on the fence yesterday about how his tweet was to be interpreted, i.e. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and then he ended up being in the wrong. I see that.
That being said, how would you change his tweet to be a more genuine apology? Or is there no way for him to recover from his initial Tweet?
No one can really know if he means it but as far as apologies go, this is a good one. Acknowledged he tweeted something inappropriate that will only add to trans people's hardship, got educated on the topic and clearly apologized. Didn't blame anyone else or didn't say sorry if u got offended.
How about explaining what he learned? And the reason why his tweet was wrong and mean?
He made a mistake. He apologized for that mistake. Hopefully the end result is he is a better person for it.
That's fair. I wouldn't hold my breath that he's going to go into that level of detail but that would definitely add more value to his follow-up Tweet.
I'm glad he apologized and I don't want to dismiss the importance of an apology where one owns up to what was said but... I dunno, it seems like such an inappropriate thing to make a malicious joke about, especially if you do have trans friends. It's just so clearly punching down. I dunno! Still feel a little "hmmm" about it.
I agree with this completely. But also curious if it works in reverse? Being good in some aspects doesn't wash away the bad. But does the bad wash away the good? Asking in good faith because morality is something that fascinates me.
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