But Sword/Shield does have a bad and poorly told story, it's just primarily dumped at the very end of the game with lore dumps at several major cities.Vastly prefer this to Sun/Moon. No story >>>>>>> bad and poorly told story.
then you won't like this gameVastly prefer this to Sun/Moon. No story >>>>>>> bad and poorly told story.
Nah, because then people would be complaining about having no story at all.If you removed all the Galar lore, Rose's plan, the legendaries etc from the game and leave it with only the gym challenge, it would be an improvement
Just because you are the main character doesn't mean you are The Main Character
They played that card very well with Sun and Moon. At the end of the day, you were just tagging along in Lillie's journey.
Sword and Shield is no one's story.
hey maybe Pokemon is just a boring world, its ok it doesn't have to be ALL about you 🤭So, then, if Hau... I mean, Hop... is the main character, what is his arc? Where does his journey take him? How does he improve?
He doesn't. He goes through the cookie-cutter Pokémon rival arc: start at the same time as you, become the Champion, get beaten to a pulp by you, the actual main character. And, worst of all, he has the gall to be constantly claiming that he's destined to be the best trainer ever, that he's going to be the next Champion, blah blah blah. He comes across as extremely unlikable and annoying. He's an arrogant ass.
that person must really have hated galarian corsola thenMakes me wonder if Gamefreak has any climate change deniers on staff.
They basically sidelined the main villain of Sun and Moon (who is probably one of the best written villains in a mainline Pokémon game) in favor of just having you fight a rampaging Necrozma.See lol.
I mostly want to play it because of the story cause some people say it's good and I'm curious. Did they change the characters/story that much in Ultra?
No Revealtions is not this bad, it was not interesting but this SwSh stuff is nonsensical.Conquest ain't as bad as Revelations, though.
Yeah, Revelations is that bad. SwSh is up there too
Bede explicitly says he borrowed it from Rose to help find wishing stars.Realized really late that Bede was using a copperajah to destroy ruins, did they explicitly mention why or is it implied to be Rose's Pokemon (aka he was in on it)
Ah ok thanks for thatBede explicitly says he borrowed it from Rose to help find wishing stars.
So, then, if Hau... I mean, Hop... is the main character, what is his arc? Where does his journey take him? How does he improve?
He doesn't. He goes through the cookie-cutter Pokémon rival arc: start at the same time as you, become the Champion (he doesn't, to boot), get beaten to a pulp by you, the actual main character. And, worst of all, he has the gall to be constantly claiming that he's destined to be the best trainer ever, that he's going to be the next Champion, blah blah blah. He comes across as extremely unlikable and annoying. He's an arrogant ass.
Yeah, but the story is so bad that its a catalyst for these type of reactions.
It would had been refreshing if the game just focused on the Pokemon tournament with no evil chairman and nothing about the legendaries other then the professor in training's research on the matter.But Sword/Shield does have a bad and poorly told story, it's just primarily dumped at the very end of the game with lore dumps at several major cities.
Sword/Shield would have been much better without a story.
It's not that bad though? It's honestly just not even there.Yeah, but the story is so bad that its a catalyst for these type of reactions.
hey maybe Pokemon is just a boring world, its ok it doesn't have to be ALL about you 🤭
It is, in none of the other Pokemon games have you gotten into a pointless Pokemon battle with the main villain. Logically you can literally skip the fight with Rose and go help Leon with the legendary Pokemon, Rose is not blocking your bath and is in a detour location towards the actual conflict. The story just needs you to go fight him for some reason.
It has the good graces to stay out of your way. Its far from bad, just uneventful and small.But Sword/Shield does have a bad and poorly told story, it's just primarily dumped at the very end of the game with lore dumps at several major cities.
Sword/Shield would have been much better without a story.
I wish the story was nonexistent, but it's definitely there. The championship was interrupted (twice!) for the sake of the story. It's hard to ignore a wrecking ball destroying the game's pacing in the final act.
I've been thinking about it more and I don't think it really stays out of your way at all, not even the main regional plot. Every town or route near a town either has a dull Sonia lore dump for the dogs/Galar, has something that happens off screen (best represented by the explosion in Hammerlocke or the dynamax attack late in the story), or advances the rival subplots. Someone is stopping you from completing the league challenge all the time, regardless of whether it's the main plot or a more prominent subplot. It's the worst parts of previous stories in the series simultaneously combined with little main story.It has the good graces to stay out of your way. Its far from bad, just uneventful and small.
I find it hard to find something positive to say about this. for all of the SunMoon method's faults (which this game is a retread of, but slightly better), it handled story much better in that it followed a story cycle well. even XY did it. SwordShield didn't even do that. it goes way beyond "bad pacing". this game threw out basic storytelling conventions only to make a mess of what was left.It's difficult to explain how there's both relatively little story and too much story outside of calling it "uneven pacing." I personally found it bad, but get that others liked it.
Last thing they'll do is make a kid a villain. And Bede is more worthy of doing all that shit since he has blind devotion for Rose that doesn't really mean anything right nowI think I would have liked the story a bit better if it was altered slightly with Hop.
Hop becomes more and more spiteful of you, begins to loathe you for beating him over and over. He comes to the conclusion that he needs more power so he starts desperately looking into the legendary Pokemon, he find out about the wishing star thing from Bede which leads him to look into how Galar is run off the power of this legendary Pokemon.
He eventually breaks into the power area to awaken Eternatus and causes the crisis instead of Rose, that way the off screen BS can stay but there can actually be some suspense caused from it. You face off against a desperate insane broken Hop, as he says he's finally found the power to beat you and you won't get in his way of being Galar Champion any longer, "a worthy rival needs a worthy showdown". After you beat him, Eternatus goes berserk and it plays out pretty much the same with Hop in fear, and in realizing he does not have the skills to face it alone, attempts to atone by helping you out in the battle. Him committing a "crime" shouldn't be a major issue since they've already had a kid doing that with Silver in G/S, and I believe in BW2 the villain actually attempts to kill you with the legendary. Though this edit is not much better, it'd be more entertaining imo, and I'd be a BIT more invested in the story.
I already mentioned they had Silver commit a crime in G/S, it shouldn't be a problem in that sense. Though they've done a tone shift when they went 3D.Last thing they'll do is make a kid a villain. And Bede is more worthy of doing all that shit since he has blind devotion for Rose that doesn't really mean anything right now
after finding out about Rose's plan, it made that shit with Bede all the more dumber. And its not like it was played off with "I never told him to do this" plausible deniability. It just comes out of nowhere
Silver committed a crime, but not go so far as to damn near destroy the world. I doubt GF would let a kid go that far. At least with Bede, you can have him be manipulated by Rose. That would give Bede an out and being taken up as an apprentice as a nice bit of redemptionI already mentioned they had Silver commit a crime in G/S, it shouldn't be a problem in that sense. Though they've done a tone shift when they went 3D.
I don't think Bede would go that far honestly, and he doesn't seem interested in actually being Champion or put much stock into your face offs with him, he just had bad luck and you happen to be there every time it triggered. He's more interested in pleasing Rose than being Champion, which is why most of his focus was on the wishing stars than what he was doing in the challenge.
Errrr, I think the opposite is crap. We have a big list of adults realiable gym leader and a champion, but let the random kid save the world was pure BS in past games (R/B not included).I was already irritated over the whole "hey you do your kid stuff we'll do the important stuff" crap the game kept feeding you
Oh the XY story, that was terrible.Have you ever played XY though? While SwSh story is certainly bad (just character arcs are decent), XY story is probably the worst one I've seen in a rpg.
RB is definitely included. The mafia seized a town and nobody does shit except a 10 year old. Not even the gym leader of the seized townErrrr, I think the opposite is crap. We have a big list of adults realiable gym leader and a champion, but let the random kid save the world was pure BS in past games (R/B not included).
It's a video game though. I don't really want or need it to be realistic in those elements.Errrr, I think the opposite is crap. We have a big list of adults realiable gym leader and a champion, but let the random kid save the world was pure BS in past games (R/B not included).
Oh the XY story, that was terrible.
Final Fantasy XV is a good comparison. You can see the storyboard falling apart before your very eyes.
The story isn't "bad" in the traditional sense. It's clearly pieced together from bits of what Game Freak wanted to achieve, but they were too crunched for time to complete.
That's true.Silver committed a crime, but not go so far as to damn near destroy the world. I doubt GF would let a kid go that far. At least with Bede, you can have him be manipulated by Rose. That would give Bede an out and being taken up as an apprentice as a nice bit of redemption
Its fucking terrible. I heard pokemon black has a good story and I just cant believe it so im playing it
Except this has a story and it's even worst. People need to stop equating their ability to ignore the story with it simply not being there. Drowning it out because it's terrible doesn't mean it was nonexistent. It's just further evidence of how terribly written and paced it wasVastly prefer this to Sun/Moon. No story >>>>>>> bad and poorly told story.
I had the EXACT same reaction, it literally makes no sense. Like nothing in XY compared to the stupidity of that story beat.I didn't understand the tower mission. I loved the Punk Rock aspect to it, but why did the mere fact that Rose would have a meeting with Leon cause such a reaction? And then after breaking into an office tower and rightfully being pursued by security guards because you haven't been invited to the meeting, Leon just tells Rose "Aight I'mma head out," and Rose freely lets him leave. What was that? Why did I fight all those people?
it's like they had post-it notes of plot details, but they scrambled to get a game out and just too the most interesting bitsI didn't understand the tower mission. I loved the Punk Rock aspect to it, but why did the mere fact that Rose would have a meeting with Leon cause such a reaction? And then after breaking into an office tower and rightfully being pursued by security guards because you haven't been invited to the meeting, Leon just tells Rose "Aight I'mma head out," and Rose freely lets him leave. What was that? Why did I fight all those people?