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I wish Nintendo Switch had achievements
- Thread starter Guaraná
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Yeah, you know, because if you look at my post history you will find out that Im a Nintendo hater trolling the company in every single thread.
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Who are you quoting? Most arguments in this thread from both points of view are solid enough to warrant a good discussion.
I'm not an achievement person, but games are about entertainment. If you enjoy that part of gaming, then I see no reason for Nintendo to omit it. Especially considering they're the only platform without them. So how much extra work are we even talking here?
You hate achievements and yet you care about them enough to go out of your way to earn them?
I guess anti-achievements people really have some deeper problems which should serve a nice social study.
As someone who hasn't looked at an achievement list since the first year of Xbox 360, I still believe that their existence is very important when you want to look back at your history with the games.
I enjoy going through those memories, with the help of a list that keeps track of it for me.
The combo of no achievements and the played time tracker being so broken is one of the reasons I don't bother with Switch versions of games. These are very simple systems to get in place and Nintendo is just out of touch.
I like having achievements in a list. Its nice to scroll through my list on Steam/PS4 occasionally and look back at what games I was playing at a certain point of time, or what games I could go back to. Its also a good way to keep track of games I havent completed yet, but Its a lot harder to do this when I have to go into the games themselves.
PSNProfiles and Completionist.me are also fun to look through because they have a ton of stats.
I'm weird, But its fun to me so thats all I care about. It blows my mind how many people have such a big hate boner for achievements. Like just because you guys can't bring yourselves to ignore them doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.
Smash Bros and other Nintendo games already have achievements, they're just not presented the traditional way and you can't show them around.
I'm curious to see how Nintendo would deal with a traditional achievements system, what would be the "Nintendo spin" they would add to it, but other than that, I prefer it that way.
Some times achievements can be cool, some games do cool stuff with them (Wandersong and Portal 2 for instance). But mandatory achievements are awful, they add nothing to the game, they're extra work to the devs and sometimes they even have spoilers.
I'm curious to see how Nintendo would deal with a traditional achievements system, what would be the "Nintendo spin" they would add to it, but other than that, I prefer it that way.
Some times achievements can be cool, some games do cool stuff with them (Wandersong and Portal 2 for instance). But mandatory achievements are awful, they add nothing to the game, they're extra work to the devs and sometimes they even have spoilers.
Most of the Nintendo games do have achievements like Smash, toad, mario, zelda et cetera, but it's not on a systemlevel.
Because I'm forced to look at them. I get them either way, turning notifications off doesn't help a bit. I want to turn off game score completely, not just notifications. Thanks for taking an interest in my state of mind and/or possible mental disability though.
Nintendo files these complaints on the bottom of the list. Which is probably 500k comments long by this post.
I agree.
It's not the main reason I don't have a Switch, but it is a top 3 reason.
Tru fax. And it's gonna be hilariouser than hell to watch.
It's not the main reason I don't have a Switch, but it is a top 3 reason.
Tru fax. And it's gonna be hilariouser than hell to watch.
I always saw Trophies/Achievements as a gaming journal. They aren't there to show off how good I am to other people, they are there for me to see how much I played of each game.
I also wish the Switch had a similar system, but the cool people will tell you you're not allowed to have something like that because it isn't "pure gaming" or whatever.
I also wish the Switch had a similar system, but the cool people will tell you you're not allowed to have something like that because it isn't "pure gaming" or whatever.
I very much prefer the option of they being optional to include for developers.
And not the policy in other systems of the developers being forced to include them, even if they don't fit with the conscious design decisions of a game.
Indeed, there are a lot of Switch games that include achievements inside the game.
I prefer this way of handling things.
And not the policy in other systems of the developers being forced to include them, even if they don't fit with the conscious design decisions of a game.
Indeed, there are a lot of Switch games that include achievements inside the game.
I prefer this way of handling things.
Thats pretty pointless. I remember Scrolling teougj my PS4 friend list and seeing people with similar taste in gaming that I have trough achievements. It actually made me chat with random people. Achievements system are great in that way.
I assume Nintendo doesn't implement them because they see no need, or they are sceptical as to how it could affect game design.
Personally I'm glad that I don't have to turn them off on yet another platform. I could be fine with adding them in though, if they were.. you know.. actual achievements? As in, remove all the garbage achievements that serve no purpose. "Defeat 10 basic mooks." "Defeat 5 medium mooks." "Complete 10% of the story" "Use <Ability> 20 times" etc.
Honestly, that's my problem with achievements. Like 95%+ of them are filler garbage, and there's usually very few if any that provide additional and interesting challenges. Usually, the 'difficult' achievements are either luck-based, or just tedious and time consuming; see: the FF13 achievement for obtaining one of every single item. It's not challenging, it's just time consuming and requires a guide if you don't want to go insane.
Id be all for Nintendo adding achievements, if:
Personally I'm glad that I don't have to turn them off on yet another platform. I could be fine with adding them in though, if they were.. you know.. actual achievements? As in, remove all the garbage achievements that serve no purpose. "Defeat 10 basic mooks." "Defeat 5 medium mooks." "Complete 10% of the story" "Use <Ability> 20 times" etc.
Honestly, that's my problem with achievements. Like 95%+ of them are filler garbage, and there's usually very few if any that provide additional and interesting challenges. Usually, the 'difficult' achievements are either luck-based, or just tedious and time consuming; see: the FF13 achievement for obtaining one of every single item. It's not challenging, it's just time consuming and requires a guide if you don't want to go insane.
Id be all for Nintendo adding achievements, if:
- There are fewer of them, and all of them are actual achievements
- They are optional for developers to implement
- Silver/Gold coins for completion of each, or all of them
- Minimalistic UI
Someone who said the following: "You mean system wide achievements. Why though? If a game has its own achievements list, is that not enough? What does system wide really add?"
And honestly, reading some of your posts it seems like your issues go well beyond the sole existence of achievements, I wonder if you're the same person who claimed to be physically and mentally hurt by their mere existence on PSN even when disabled.
I'm not pro-achievements and I'm glad Nintendo doesn't have them.
It's just some people like to think Nintendo holds a moral high ground when it comes to system wide achievements (like many on this forum do) and it's not true. They just don't do them.
achievements and trophies are great. They only enhance the experience for me. It's a dissapointing thing to be missing from the switch, they need to be system wide.
Oh, in which case fine!
On subject I don't like achievements because I get addicted to them. It doesn't affect how I play games but it does affect how much I play them (even after I stop enjoying them). Switch is liberating.
I guess that's a me problem but I doubt I'm alone.
Anti-trophy people seem to forget that games almost always had internal challenges that players would spend time and effort on unlocking exactly the same as trophies.
Shhh! It's Ok because Nintendo doesn't have them, the moment they add them the narrative will change.
Mario Kart 140 hours
Zelda 110 hours
Odyssey 45 hours
There are more examples but I've put a lot of time and 100% a lot of switch games and I absolutely wish it had an achievement system, not having them didn't take away from my experience but they would add to it. I hate the snide comments about how people shouldn't need them to enjoy games or they take away from the experience. Every other system lets you turn them off. Let people play games the way they want to. I don't understand the mindset of "I don't want this feature so it shouldn't exist " it's nonsense
Zelda 110 hours
Odyssey 45 hours
There are more examples but I've put a lot of time and 100% a lot of switch games and I absolutely wish it had an achievement system, not having them didn't take away from my experience but they would add to it. I hate the snide comments about how people shouldn't need them to enjoy games or they take away from the experience. Every other system lets you turn them off. Let people play games the way they want to. I don't understand the mindset of "I don't want this feature so it shouldn't exist " it's nonsense
At this point I want Nintendo to add them just so people will shut up about it.
BUT I want to be able to mute/hide them. There's nothing I hate more than a big clown sign/horn in the middle of the screen when I kill 10 foozles or pickup 20 widgets or go to Anarxia West for the first time. That stuff is dumb and irritating.
While they're at it, they can add a real play log.
Also folders and UI themes.
BUT I want to be able to mute/hide them. There's nothing I hate more than a big clown sign/horn in the middle of the screen when I kill 10 foozles or pickup 20 widgets or go to Anarxia West for the first time. That stuff is dumb and irritating.
While they're at it, they can add a real play log.
Also folders and UI themes.
I wish that Nintendo Switch had achievements per game but not a global count of achievements per player. That culture it generates of people burning through games and buying bad games with easy achievements etc is annoying and twists the market negatively.
I just want the statistics so I can see what my friends did or reached in games I'm also playing etc.
I just want the statistics so I can see what my friends did or reached in games I'm also playing etc.
Games that want to add achievements can add them. Making them a system wide feature included in all games is unnecessary and honestly ruins some experiences
As a prior X360 achievement addict(and eventual PS4 trophy abuser), I have actively been trying to ignore them in recent years.
Though I do really miss comparing progression stats with friends and global. It's illuminating to see overall progress towards certain progress milestones by the connected playerbase. Actually felt this aspect was by far the most interesting thing about them.
Would love to see how many hit certain thresholds in BotW(completing the game, getting off the starter island, finishing certain sidequests, etc...) not to mention similarly for DKTF, Bayonetta, etc...
Though I do really miss comparing progression stats with friends and global. It's illuminating to see overall progress towards certain progress milestones by the connected playerbase. Actually felt this aspect was by far the most interesting thing about them.
Would love to see how many hit certain thresholds in BotW(completing the game, getting off the starter island, finishing certain sidequests, etc...) not to mention similarly for DKTF, Bayonetta, etc...
Don't go into your achievement list. Why are you doing it?
How do achievements ruin your game experience so much yet you go 3 levels deep on the console menu to actually look at them?
I've explained why I care about them, and I go through the list maybe 1-2 times per year.
I think that my PSN level has been the same for 7 years.
I have no clue when I'll level up and I'd never play more games to make it higher.
I never went into the trophy list wondering what I could do.
The only times achievements influenced my gameplay was Mirrors Edge pacifist run and Dishonored pacifist run, not because I wanted it on my list, I just found the games to be a lot more fun that way.
You haven't explained why you hate them so much. You seem to be giving them a lot of attention, while hating the system at the same time. I just don't understand that.
You can enjoy all you want, but when devs say they are bad for the design of their games or says something.
I wish there was a way where you could have your achievements without it forcing a poor gamification paradigm onto the designers of the main game structure. Alas that doesn't seem to be the case, so I hope Nintendo never implements them instead.
As most people seem to say they don't care about the actual achievements but the activity log, I hope Nintendo improves their activity log instead.
As most people seem to say they don't care about the actual achievements but the activity log, I hope Nintendo improves their activity log instead.
I can appreciate that. But what if a dev doesn't want to make them? Should the be forced to just to have a game on a system?
Steam, 360, and PS3, I have never once looked at any of them. Even WoW. Been playing the game for 14+ Straight years. Couldn't tell you what my Achievement score is. I can see why people like them, I am in the camp of they should be optional for devs to include them. And if they want make them as easy as you pressed the X button, to hit the amount forced upon them, then they should be able to.
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Do you have evidence to affirm that the majority of the devs dont like them?
Depends on the system. In Steam the achievements are right there on the page I use to launch the game.
I generally don't care too much about them, but it does kind of sour the experience of beating some 80-hour JRPG and getting a long credit roll and feeling of accomplishment, only to get dropped back to a page saying you only accomplished 15% of the game. Considering how few people will 100% them, it just seems like such an obvious mistake to make that the note you go out on.
One never said majority. Two that ask the devs blog and a very poignant entry about it. Three at the old place there were many threads visited by devs that affirmed that adding achievements altered they way they made games in a not so good way and how it affected people who played their games.
Same here, I just believe devs should have the option to not implement them if they choose.
Ok, I get that it's something some people may want and see value. I just can't agree that it's a major shortcoming.
Personally I see value in achievements when they act as a prompt to, you know, achieve something. Ideally something that you won't necessarily try in your normal play through. And let's be honest, most of them are not that. But if you want a personal progress diary, then great, but it's not really a selling feature.